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But you forgot the mention the second line of the fine print which says "Unless you bribe the seller with some extra cash upfront..." Joe

Yes. Another round of Spring Cleaning. Check out the auctions here: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...serid=joesm00th Got some goodies like: Atari 2600 Homebrew: Mental Kombat autograph Atari 2600 Homebrew: Allia Quest CIB rare Atari 5200 Homebrew: Castle Blast autographed Atari 2600 Repro: Elevator Action rare CGE Nintendo NES system w/ Power Pad, 10 games ++ Nintendo NES: Elevator Action - rare! Nintendo NES: Eggsplode! / Short Order rare! Nintendo NES: Super Team Games - Power Pad Rare ColecoVision Clone - Dina 2-in-1 System COMPUTE! First Book of Commodore 64 C64 Pac Man Shoelaces Shoe Laces Punk Emo 1980s Vintage Apple (Mac) Rainbow Logo Lapel Pin More stuff that isn't listed above. Enjoy,

Umm. I got it from. Uhh I can't remember his name, but he was part of NWCGE with you and then moved to Maine and Hawaii. He made the "Aartridge", too.. Kevin....? Anyway, it was a neat looking label, but I had to trim down my collection to make room for all of those import carts that Jah was supposed to send me! Joe

Wow! I had no idea about this thread. I need to chime in here and also express my frustration. I've traded with Jah many, many times over the year(s) and have never had a problem. I wasn't too concerned that he has been unavailable for a while (and owes me a lot of trade items) and figured he was just stressed out about the exhibit or something. Anyway, it looks like this is a much deeper problem than that. Jah owes me for a Thrust Plus w/ Footpedal, too. He also owes me the following items: Tron cart? Wachroboter jagt Jupy, with red label Ungeheuer der Tiefe (Bi!Bi! - Rainbow Vision), with blue label TOP GUN, with grey label GEHEIMKURIER, with yellow label Landung in der Normandie (Commando Raid), with red label Landungskommando (Strategy X), with grey label Stopp die Gangster, with grey label ITT: meteor defense HES riddle of the sphinx (imagic) pink label Sancho Skin Diver Goliath: Forest Goliath: Galactic Goliath: Astro attack Goliath: Capture for the following items I sent him before the exhibit (and from what I know, he received): Atari envelope Chuck E. Cheese coin purse INTV pin Wombat (NWCGE 1997 label hack) Atari Cosmos prototype Superman hologram Pac Man Plush Doll (Namco, 1991) Pac Man wind-up doll (Tomy, 1982, sealed in box) Pac Man baseball hat (yellow w/ white mesh) Pac Man comb The last time I heard from him was October 10, 2002 and his address at the time was: subotage entertainment sebastien clave sonnenburgerstr. 56 10437 berlin germany I sent him another message a few days ago to ask if he was alive, but didn't hear back.. I hope this gets resolved soon. I have a hard time thinking that Jah is intentionally screwing all of us, considering how active he has been with the community in the past. However, if there are personal problems, then things might take longer to work out. Jah, please come back! I want my stuff! Joe

OK, this is round 2 and the final week of my closet cleaning! Check out the latest goodies, including a weird Super Mario Bros. shower head and tons of Atari 8-bit programming books: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...serid=joesm00th Stuff like: * Nintendo Super Mario Bros. Shower Power Head! * Ms. Pac Man Bootleg PCB - Rare Arcade Jamma * Vintage Wood/Glass Atari Cartridge Storage ++ * Atari Cosmos Superman hologram proto (rare!) * Atari 8-bit XL/XE Getaway game repro 400/800 * Compute! Electronic Computer Projects book * Byte Atari Assembly Language Programming book * Atari 3-D Computer Graphics book - rare! OOP * Atari Player-Missile Graphics book - rare! * Atari Compute! Machine Language book - rare * Atari Compute! 2nd Machine Language book rare * The Creative Atari programming book rare 8bit * The Atari Assembler book - rare 6502 8-bit * Atari Dr. C. Wacko's Miracle Guide book rare! * Compute!'s Guide to Adventure Games book rare * Atari Advanced Programming Techniques book * 2 Atari 400/800 Programming Books 8-bit games * 3 Atari 400/800 Programming Books music games * Compute! Inside Atari DOS book + reference! * Inside Atari BASIC Book + rare marketing book * Complete Guide To Electronic Games Book Atari * Atari 1050 Floppy Disk Drive 8-bit w/ 2 PS * Atari 8-bit CX85 Numeric Keypad CX-85 Rare * Complete Set (36) Topps Donkey Kong cards/box * Complete Set (36) Fleer Pac Man cards w/ box * Hackers Press Kit, Slides, Laserdisc LD Jolie * "Sneakers" LaserDisc LD Robert Redford Hacker * "Johnny Mnemonic" LaserDisc LD Keanu Reeves Enjoy!

Ahh. I plead the Fifth. The answer to that question is simple...if you have seen me naked.

Ahh! Time for a little closet cleaning! I put up a bunch of stuff on eBay - some of it might be cool for collectors such as you (and me, though I don't have room for the stuff anymore!) http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...serid=joesm00th Stuff like: * Unique Pac-Man disco collar shirt -Atari rare * Atari Corporation Stock Certificate Rare 2600 * Atari Cosmos Superman hologram rare proto * Atari sticker rare "I Love My Atariwriter" * Video Game Brain for Atari 2600 Rare! RGA * Atari 2600 Aartridge Rare Art Handmade Game * Original "Atari Player On Board" suction cup * Rare Pac Man mirror frame - Atari 2600 * Atari 2600 Crazy Valet homebrew CGE 2001 rare * Atari logo blue stripe t-shirt Road Trip Emo * PhillyClassic 2001 t-shirt Atari Coleco 2600 * Classic Gaming Expo 2000 t-shirt Atari 2600 * Topps Donkey Kong rub-off cards Nintendo 1982 * Lot of 8 Atari Video Game Instruction Manuals * Atari 2600: King Kong - Tigervision Rare! * Atari 2600: Atlantis CCE Import Brazil - Rare * Atari 2600: Infiltrate brown label - rare! * Radio Shack TRS-80 CoCo Technical Manual ++ * Colecovision Expansion Module #1 box (Atari) * Coleco ADAM books and RARE software games * 8 Apple II/IIe Programming/Technical Books ++ * Magnavox Odyssey 2 original system box A few more items will be going up next week, too, so stay tuned.

Why thank you My top 5 are (in no particular order): Qb Pressure Gauge Marble Craze Cuttle Cart SCSIcide

Hah! Nice score Stay tuned for your koozie (Budweiser not included) My high score is 174E10. The first two digits (first byte) is the level - so I was at level 17 hex (23 decimal) with a score of 4E10. Cupcakus rocked me. You'd know if you had the large drive head - it's BIG. Smooth motion is definetely harder than the track-to-track, since you can misread data bits easier. Stay tuned to AA for a possible SCSIcide High Score Contest. Lubricate your paddles! Maybe next time the award will be an autographed koozie or possibly the next generation label and manual. Joe

Here is my response that I posted to RGVC. Note that pieces of this message were used in my first reply to the AA forum, but the majority is related to the PCB price accusations. Joe ---- Thanks Randy. I've been waiting for this so I can bring this out into the public light and make people aware of the real situation. I have had issues in the past regarding Randy and my Atari PCBs that I sell to make it easier for people to build homebrew carts. I encountered a major attitude from Randy, an unwillingness to listen, and extremely unprofessional business practices/ethics which I will not tolerate. Unfortunately, I chose not to partner with Randy anymore. Allow me to explain so the general public understands. We (Randy and I) have been through this discussion before, and he refuses to listen and accept the facts. I sell new Atari printed circuit boards (that I designed) to allow people to build homebrew carts without having to modify the circuitry in old carts. I used to sell these PCBs to people directly, but worked out an exclusive relationship with AtariAge to sell the boards through their store. This allows me to continue to development new games and products and not have to deal with the hassle of a store, packing orders, etc. The price of my circuit boards is based on the cost to manufacture the boards coupled with my time and commitment I have put into the design. The prices go down as quantity goes up, as happens in most any industry. Here are the prices that I was selling boards at during the time of Randy's dispute - I raised the prices slightly in May 2002 to reflect a price raise from the manufacturer, but the change was very slight and before that, the board prices had never changed: < 25 $5.00 25 $4.00 50 $3.50 75 $3.50 100 $3.00 125 $3.00 150 $3.00 200 $2.40 250 $2.00 300 $1.75 400 $1.50 500 $1.25 Randy purchased circuit boards from me a few times and I gave him the quantity pricing reflected above (actually a little less). Here is what he has purchased from me in the past: 600 @ $1 each, July 30, 2001 600 @ $1.20 each, March 10, 2002 235 @ $2 each, September 6, 2002 As you can see, the first 2 orders were for 600 pieces and the last order was for 235. Obviously, he ordered less boards on 9/6/2002, so the price reflects that (there is not as much of a quantity discount as there would be if he had ordered more). This is not very hard to understand. Anyway, Randy claims the prices have gone dramatically up (from $1 to $2 in quantity) since moving exclusively to AtariAge. The prices have been raised slightly because of the move to a store front where more work is required to process orders (Alex and Albert from AtariAge handle all the orders manually and provide much better support than I ever could). The prices are extremely reasonable to me and the mark-up from manufacturing is still very low. The whole point of making the PCBs in the first place was to give something back to the community, make it easier for non-electronics-inclined people to make boards, and to help me build my first run of SCSIcide carts. Aside from the price issue, my real beef with Randy had to do with his unethical and unacceptable business practices. Randy decided to contact the vendor that manufactures my PCBs and tried to place an order without going through me. Going behind my back to get PCB's fabbed is absolutely unacceptable and not a business practice that I want to associate with. Here are pieces of the message I wrote to Randy about it: >I received an interesting phone call this morning from Chris (one of >the PCB houses I use) - I'm in Atlanta on business and his phone call >woke me up. He mentioned you tried to place an order for my circuit >board design - that is NOT cool to go around me. The board design and >layout is 100% owned and copyrighted by me and I have complete control >over who is authorized to purchase my design or boards. > >My controlling my personal board design has nothing to do with >competition, there are other people with 2600 board designs out there. >I don't mark the boards up very much and don't make $%#@ for money. The >one thing I demand from people is respect. It was disrespectful to try >and skirt around me to go directly to my manufacturer. > >I spent a lot of time and money to design, develop, and manufacture >these boards and deserve the proper compensation. How could you think >that going directly to fab would be the right thing to do? As I >mentioned in the previous e-mail, AtariAge will be exclusively handling >all requests for PCB orders. They have some in stock. Randy claims he had called them a few days before when he couldn't get in touch with me (still unacceptable), but my board fab contact said that Randy had sent him e-mail within the day or two. The facts just didn't line up. As for Thomas's issue, what Randy is doing is profiting off of other people's work without giving proper credit. For me, this comes down to a purely moral issue and not an issue of copyright. Thomas spent the time modifying the games - if he hadn't spent the time, the modified games would not exist. It seems to me like it would be in the best interest of the classic gaming community for Randy (and anyone else making and selling games) to respect the wishes of homebrew authors, as that will make the community flourish. Burning bridges and being hard-headed, sarcastic, and unreasonable does nothing but create problems. Also, Randy has claimed multiple times that AtariAge has "convinced" people to sell games exclusively through them. From my point of view, this is far from the truth. For example, my choice for AA to exlusively sell SCSIcide was a result of the PCB issue with Randy mentioned above. Also, given their dedication to the community (I'm not talking about the store here, but the rest of the AA site and its resources), professional look and feel of AA's carts, the care they take in producing other people's homebrews, and their integrity, the choice now is really a no-brainer. So Randy, if you care to call me a liar, go ahead. Actions speak louder than words. I have facts to prove otherwise and have no problem sharing them with the public. Joe Grand 2600 SCSIcide 2600/5200 PCBs [email protected] http://www.pixelspast.com Randy Crihfield wrote: > The other supposed lie is that I told Thomas the price of 4K boards > doubled from $1 to $2 once AA became involved. I used to buy them from > Joe directly. I mentioned that I used to get "50 at $1 and now it was > $2" Joe said I was lying, that I never got 50 from him (actually, > I have, and I have his e-mail to prove it) and that I never got them at > $1. Well, I got them at like exactly $1.20 and the price jumped to $2. > What I was saying was that the price roughly doubled, and Joe said I > was lying. I have his email proving that HE was lying, in his own > words these are the prices. The price DID double once AA got involved. > But somehow I lie.

What Randy is doing is profiting off of other people's work without giving proper credit. For me, this comes down to a purely moral issue and not an issue of copyright. Thomas spent the time modifying the games - if he hadn't spent the time, the modified games would not exist. It seems to me like it would be in the best interest of the classic gaming community for Randy (and anyone else making and selling games) to respect the wishes of homebrew authors, as that will make the community flourish. Burning bridges and being hard-headed, sarcastic, and unreasonable does nothing but create problems. I have had issues in the past regarding Randy and my Atari PCBs that I sell to make it easier for people to build homebrew carts. The issue has since been resolved, but I encountered an unwillingness to listen and extremely unprofessional business practices/ethics which I will not tolerate. Unfortunately, I chose not to partner with Randy anymore. Randy has claimed multiple times that AtariAge has "convinced" people to sell games exclusively through them. From my point of view, this is far from the truth. For example, my choice for AA to exlusively sell SCSIcide was a result of the PCB issue with Randy mentioned above. Also, given their dedication to the community (I'm not talking about the store here, but the rest of the AA site and its resources), professional look and feel of AA's carts, the care they take in producing other people's homebrews, and their integrity, the choice now is really a no-brainer. Joe Grand 2600 SCSIcide 2600/5200 PCBs [email protected] http://www.pixelspast.com

Ahh. A perfect thread. My response might be a little premature, but I guess I can't keep it under wraps anymore. I have been working on designing custom 2600 cases for a little bit now. Obviously mostly for homebrew purposes (to go along with my PCBs and make it simple and low-cost enough to allow most, if not all, people to have the proper hardware to make their own games), but also for new "commercial" enterprises. Here is my post to the Stella 2600 development list a few days ago: "I should have some sample 2600 cartridge cases available by CGE (so they won't be ready for current games). I'm doing a custom mold so we'll be able to make them in various color plastics (transparent, etc.) It should be very cool. The samples by CGE will show that it isn't vapor-ware, like the other attempts at making cases. Standard 2600 cart cases first (no sliding door), then possibly 5200 ones next. Obviously, I will try to keep the cost down." The drawings are done and I will have a few (1 or more to show at CGE. Once the mold is made, we can stamp out various quantities and colors, though obviously the cost goes way down with large quantities. I think translucent would be really cool, along with the regular black. This opens the door to have various colored cases to match the concept of a particular game. Fun! Anyway, I don't have prices for what the cases will cost yet, as that will depend on a number of things, but if people are interested and want to check out what my version will look like, stop by the AtariAge booth at CGE2K2. Soon, I will have my new web page up at http://www.pixelspast.com For now, you can just check my SCSIcide page at http://www.mindspring.com/~jgrand/atari Joe [email protected]

Hey Ziggy- Yeah, I'll answer that e-mail tonight, though this response is probably what you were looking for! I haven't tried any 16K games in the 32K PCB, but you could probably just double up on binary (to fit it into 32K and just use a 27256) like you would to run a 2600 2K game on the 4K cart. Maybe I'll try it one of these days with my ample free time :wink: I'd need to check the pinouts to see what would possibly happen if you used a 27128 (16K) EPROM in place of the 27256. As for 2600 boards, I only have the 4K boards available right now.. I'll have pictures of these up soon, too.. I used them for my SCSIcide game and a lot of the 2600 homebrewers used them, too (Randy from Hozer Video Games, too). 8K and 16K boards are more complicated and I don't have a design for them right now. I think Chris Wilkson ([email protected]) still makes them and they're pretty cool.. Drop him a line.. Hope that helps, Joe

Hey guys. Sorry, I can't resist the shameless plug. I haven't made a formal announcement about it yet, but I have created a generic Atari 5200 PCB that allows you to use a 27256 (32KB) EPROM and 7408 AND gate. You don't have to deal with modifying the existing cart boards, and the PCB will fit inside any 5200 cartridge case. I've provided these boards to some of the guys doing 5200 homebrews and I'm happy with how they came out. I tried to keep the cost down, so they're no frills, straight up PCBs. I can sell them in single piece quantities or up to 1,000 or more (if you are so inclined Prices range anywhere from $2 to $7 depending on quantity, and no, I'm not making much of a profit. I'll have the information on a webpage soon, but if you want a picture or prices or whatever, drop me an e-mail ([email protected])

I figured it was time for some spring cleaning and I came up with this uncut panel of 6 Atari 2600 PCBs. Definetely interesting, but I had 2 of these so one is now up for auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1353214666 Enjoy.. Joe