DragonmasterDan

But does the 255 item bug work on the downloadable version?

Allow me to be the devil's advocate. Most review systems were created during the 8 bit era, when a 5 or less meant the graphics the scanner made with it's feet flickered in and out of sight, the game would run at half speed, and attempting to punch the skateboarder 3 times in the face to kill it meant taking a mandatory hit that knocked Batman 10 feet back into the deep puddle of instant death. Nobody makes a game that bad these days. Those that came later, could count the polygons in a bad game on one finger, and could count on the camera getting the best view of Laura Croft's crotch while they were playing Tenchu. Nobody makes a game that bad these days either. Except for Red Ninja. So what is a game critic to do? Simulations finally have the power to be sim like, RPG's can show up to 50 emotions per scene, whether they need them or not, and only die hard sports fans can even play the sports games anymore. Everyone else making a game peeked at Miyamoto's answers. Games like "The Guy Game" and "Big Rig Truckers" keep us reminded of what a bad game looks like, but how often do they come around? We need to redefine mediocrity. What is a 4 out of 10 in this day and age? Well even back in the 8-bit era not many games received exceptionally low reviews. There were a lot less 9s and 10s given out but games scored at 5 are below were still very uncommon. I think there was a lower median, but the extremes of 1,2,3 and 4 were used just as infrequently. Added in edit: I think when you look at what's a 4 out of 10 in this day in age you have to grade on a curve relative to the era. Some problems like bad control and level design make a game from any era lousy. Other problems like bad graphics for its time, or an overused gameplay mechanic can make a game today uninspired or "below average" which is where the 4 should be used. Now take it one step further down the path of creative rot - what seperates a 3 from a 4, and a 2 from a 3? What does a 4 drop at your feet that isn't offered in any number below it? Can a failing grade still point out to a developer what potential there is in a game, or is it just a tool for releasing emotion? well, I think it varies from instance to instance, to me a 5 is an uninspired game that does nothing exceptional and probbaly has a few gameplay flaws or other problems but may have the potential to be okay. A 4 is a game with some serious problems with design, lack of content or other issues but may have had the right idea. A 3 is a game that probably never had potential. A 2 is a game that never should have been made. A 1 is a wonder it was published.

The SNES pad I spoke of is on there too http://www.thosewerethedays.de/items/joyst...opad_sv-334.jpg

Allow me to be the devil's advocate. Most review systems were created during the 8 bit era, when a 5 or less meant the graphics the scanner made with it's feet flickered in and out of sight, the game would run at half speed, and attempting to punch the skateboarder 3 times in the face to kill it meant taking a mandatory hit that knocked Batman 10 feet back into the deep puddle of instant death. Nobody makes a game that bad these days. Those that came later, could count the polygons in a bad game on one finger, and could count on the camera getting the best view of Laura Croft's crotch while they were playing Tenchu. Nobody makes a game that bad these days either. Except for Red Ninja. So what is a game critic to do? Simulations finally have the power to be sim like, RPG's can show up to 50 emotions per scene, whether they need them or not, and only die hard sports fans can even play the sports games anymore. Everyone else making a game peeked at Miyamoto's answers. Games like "The Guy Game" and "Big Rig Truckers" keep us reminded of what a bad game looks like, but how often do they come around? We need to redefine mediocrity. What is a 4 out of 10 in this day and age? Well even back in the 8-bit era not many games received exceptionally low reviews. There were a lot less 9s and 10s given out but games scored at 5 are below were still very uncommon. I think there was a lower median, but the extremes of 1,2,3 and 4 were used just as infrequently. Added in edit: I think when you look at what's a 4 out of 10 in this day in age you have to grade on a curve relative to the era. Some problems like bad control and level design make a game from any era lousy. Other problems like bad graphics for its time, or an overused gameplay mechanic can make a game today uninspired or "below average" which is where the 4 should be used.

I have a nearly identical set of SNES pads, there's an extra button on the man part of the pad on mine.

Not to mention you can get the exact same game for the MVS for $20. I suppose being labeled as a collector is probably unavoidable for me at this point. But as crazy as I might already be, I'm nowhere near that type of collector. Yeah, or the Metal Slug Anthology version is even cheaper with another five games included. The Neo Geo AES market is ENTIRELY about collectability.

You're quite fortunate about not playing Lunar: Dragon Song, it's horrendously bad.

You can find original Xbox's for under 50.00 . But obviously that's not as massive of a drop as the Saturn or 3DO has had.

Yeah but as discussed in another thread on this same forum. It's probably still the most expensive system to collect for. And the selection of virtual console games hasn't really affected the prices for actual cartridges.

I thought about buying Last Hope around when it was released but considering those developers were already talking about porting it elsewhere (and you had to send them an already functional cart) I decided against it. I don't have a big Neo Geo collection due to the cost, I merely have an AES, a Pocket, several pocket colors and about 13 AES games and around 60 pocket/ pocket color games (along with several eproms from SNK). I've never been interested in the CD systems much due to the terrible load times.

I agree with the analogy but perhaps for a different reason. It's that to get one you generally have to spend a lot of money and you don't get much bang for your buck Unless you like a challenge, and you like it a little rough. If we're going to go for a sexist analogy, she's a wildcat. That said, I collect for the Gameboy micro. ...! Does that make me Catholic? I think it means that to you size doesn't matter. Here is an image comparison (it doesn't do it justice since you can't see how thick the Neo Geo Stuff is) I pulled out the AES, and a micro for comparison and just for the hell of it an AES cart. So does size really matter?

The game is basically not a game and with exception to a few lightgun sequences it's a giant digital comic with some puzzle solving required. There isn't an "End boss" since there's a last battle then more story. The main villian is a character that you don't actually wind up fighting, but yeah your memory of the ending is fairly close to correct.

I agree with the analogy but perhaps for a different reason. It's that to get one you generally have to spend a lot of money and you don't get much bang for your buck

It's awful, it's the FPS episode. There's nothing of value in it at all yet.

FWIW, the Halo 3 consoles were a lifetime buy, so some retailers bought epic amounts. Once they are gone they won't come back. I remember it was this way wiht the Halo v1 console. They were in stores for a really long time then dried out never to be seen again. I think the reason so many are sitting around is the price, there's no value in buying it over the normal premium model except collectability, Especially considering the 2 pack in titles with the premium.

It's worth noting you meant Panorama Cotton as being Megadrive exclusive. Original Cotton came out on a lot of systems (and even was twice released in English). Thanks for preventing any confusion, and much love to you for not forgetting the Neo Pocket. As punishment for being too lazy to type in the full name, I replaced all the salt in my diet with chloride... Yep, the Neo Geo Pocket color rocked though only a UK and Asian version was produced in English due to SNKs quick closure in June of 2000. It's also worth noting that the game was also released on TurboDuo/ Super CD in the United States.

Complete kits are a bit of a different story than loose carts but generally are still less sought after than AES products. And since the topic is most expensive system to collect for it's definitely the AES. If you're buying strictly to play the games and not for collectability purposes then the MVS or some sort of supergun is definitely a far better value the more carts you buy. But it's not as collectable because it's just not as presentable.

AES games are never sealed, they have a sticker on the side of the case which if properly taken on and off can make a game look brand new if taken proper care of. Also the problem with the MVS is there just isn't the collectibility to it, part of the reason people pay so much more for AES stuff is the fact that it has boxes, manuals, labels with graphics and is harder to find thus more collectible.

It's worth noting you meant Panorama Cotton as being Megadrive exclusive. Original Cotton came out on a lot of systems (and even was twice released in English).

I see the 360 Arcade's frequently, the Elite's are a lot less common

Just on a side note, there's a great port of KoF 98 for Dreamcast (which oddly enough is called KoF 99 Dream Match on it).

Whats your member name? I'm looking to buy one after Christmas (aes), found a lot of early neo games for very cheap. But that forum seems like its filled with a lot of elitist assholes, which does put me off joining their community. I don't know about Atari 5200 but I strictly use it for the buying portion of it, I like the fact that their forum has a feedback system for trades and sales. I go by the same name here as there.

You can sometimes find GREAT deals on the Neo-Geo.com trading and sales forums for people looking to get rid of stuff. But yeah, anything released later than around 95 is around the point where AES games started to be produced in much much lower quantities and as a result almost all games released from then on are very very expensive (relative to other systems).

Laseractive stuff can be pretty pricey too. Neo Geo has the highest number of really expensive games though. I think if you're trying to create a large collection (I have a small collection of common games for example) it would potentially be the most expensive.

Just curious, where is everyone from? I think the size of the metro area may play into availability of stuff. I've heard if you go out into the middle of nowhere even Wii's are locatable. Where I live in Metro Chicago I've only seen Wiis for sale twice since launch and none recently for example. I see the two main variations of the 360 frequently (the arcade and premium model) Elites are harder to come by, I see the Halo 3 versions here and there. There is no shortage of PS3s or even PS2s. Strangely I don't see many GBA systems. I do see a lot of GBA games. I'm seeing occasional players choice copies of stuff like Mario Sunshine, Smash Bros etc.