Retro Rogue

More like a nightmare. Nolan doesn't exactly have the greatest track record business wise. Just about every company he's started has failed/gone bankrupt, etc. This is his second iteration of uWink now, and its basicly just a cross between his old chuck e. cheese and places like Damon's. Some call Atari his big fluke of a success, and are quick to point out that he sold Atari (and then left) before he could run that one in to the ground as well (though the former towel guy that replaced him did a pretty good job of that himself).

no disrespect but, didn't he steal pong? or did you mean 'Pong arcade' as in he put it in arcade form? 944616[/snapback] The subject's up for debate. Bushnell's position was that he had Pong designed before he ever saw the Odyssey. And quite bluntly, it's not the hardest concept to come up with in the first place anyways. 944650[/snapback] Yup. Ralph Higginbotham had them both beat.

And how do you...I mean your 1 year old, like it?

Just thought I'd add a picture of this, does anyone else have one of these as well for their Luma Phone? Its a multiline/pbx type switch that connects through a large cable in to the unit.

Here's the author's info, including his email address: http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.p...book=1581125534 If you email him be nice about it, as we have no idea his intentions in making the book. And if you want him to actually change the prices to be more realistic, he's more likely to listen to you if you're not telling him how off the wall his prices are and asking him if he pulled them out of thin air.

The '77 paddles and driving controllers (both Atari and Sears) also have a different lable with different font on them as well.

That's what was said.

Both Arcade Asteroids and Asteroids Deluxe were redone. As I stated, only the small asteroids used the hollowed out trick (because not much else could be done when you're talking that size).

Ok thanks. I think its becoming clear then that the Santo 88 models were from Sears heavy sixer sticks then.

There's an actual hex shaped inset at the tip of the stick that the hex logo sets in to: The one on the left is the heavy sixer stick with the hex inset, the one on the right is one of the regular ones with a flat tip. Sure. The rubber grip is thick, and when you move the stick you hear spring noises because the inside looks like this: You'll be able to hear the springs immediately, and you'll notice its not a tight, hard to move, stiff feeling. Rather you'll feel like you're moving an arcade stick, with plenty of motion and (IMHO) more precision.

Good luck with your work, always good to see more of these. Just so you know - only the small asteroids on the FB2 version were hollowed out (since that's the only thing that could be done for those). The others were designed from scratch to appoximate an actual vector asteroid.

Well, that's what sites like Atari Museum (which that picture in the auction was taken from) and Atari Gaming Headquarters are for. AtariAge can't be everything for everyone and has a specific niche, just as Curt's and Keita/mine's websites don't try and duplicate AtariAge's presentation and material. There's always some crossover, that's unavoidable. AtariAge's strengths though have always been its game database and the forums. I would disagree on the grounds that it is a variation of 2600 hardware - which is what the point of the hardware listing is for. And the promo-sixers still often wound up being sold or given away to the general public (contests, etc.). Not so with test equipment. I could possibly see if Albert wanted to add an "Atari Test Equipment" area or something, but again - that's treading ground on what other sites already cover. Things that were service center only, really shouldn't be listed.

I was refering to it working better on my modern (projection tube) tv set. I'm aware of problems with some older sets and newer lcd sets. I have a C141 somewhere as well as a few other Commodore monitors, I'll have to try it out whenI pick one up.

Just saw them at my local Target tonight. (For those in Milwaukee, it was at the north side one on Brown Deer Road).

Guys, if you get a chance to take them apart (which you should do to clean them anyways) do me a favor and post pics of the board and revision number. I've been trying to doccument them (as there are revisions of the stick motherboards as well). I have a couple, and if you don't have the hex discs on any you pick up they are still available from B&C (as I told people on a similar thread a few years ago). Just don't buy more than you need so other collectors can restore theirs in the future as well.

Absolutely not, I think you should read a little better. I'm a member of the FB2 team and I answered. He didn't like the answer given, wasn't specific to what he was looking for, so he decided to ask the team leader. That's your problem if that's how you take it. I was on the team, worked on both manuals and other material, the name's in the credits. The hardware development was done by the engineering team, which is listed in the credits. I didn't see a legitimate question, I saw a vague generic one that said "How were the games picked." Then the same question adressed to Curt directly, and then some followup posts that got more specific. There's plenty of boasting going on elsewhere, I have no need to. Luckily, the rest of the world doesn't stand on your lack of judgement. The pages full of threads on the FB2, posts upon posts by Curt and others on the issues, show otherwise. We *have* been very supportive and gone out of the way to answer questions on those issues. Even a simple search on posts by Curt related to the subject shows 60+ posts (not including FB1 and FB3 related posts) alone. How many other project teams from Atari are that accessible? As stated, all the time and effort given on these forums participating in almost 5 pages full of Flashback topics and yet there's still accusations by people like you. All because of one thread. I don't get that..at all.

Coleco didn't win in court. The two companies settled out of court and Coleco wound up paying royalties for every Atari expansion unit and Coleco Gemini sold.

No, a common missconception based to some collectors looking at it in hindsight a good 8 years or so ago and then putting up their thoughts on the web and in faq's. Consequently that "soundbyte" made its rounds and gets tossed around by people as fact now. The Colecovision (released in '82 and started on in '81) was designed well before the MSX standard was created ('83). The confusion comes in the fact that because it used off the shelf TI parts and a z80 microprocessor (since its design goal was to make it more like a general purpose computer rather than just a game console, for future expansion), its somewhat similar to the specs that were later used for the MSX1 standard. So in hindsite, you could say its a primordial MSX computer. However it was not designed with the MSX standard in mind because it didn't exist yet.

take it easy... geesh. It's not that I didnt like the answer I didnt get one Sure you did. I was on the FB2 team, and was the only one who saw the post or cared to answer. You didn't like the answer and decided to direct it to the project leader publicly. Plain and simple. All you asked was "How were the games chosen?" Pretty generalized question, and a generalized answer was given. *Now* you actually started asking more specific questions in this thread and you got more specific answers. As far as quality control of these games, yes, there were plenty of people playing the games as they (the newer ones and hacks) were being developed. When I played them on my pc to check (emulator wise, since I had the roms), everything worked great with none of the problems people are experiencing. These issues cropped up because of problems in the fabrication stage (which was covered in other threads, so I won't rehash it here). Some of the other issues (people getting b&w or rolling) are syncing problems with modern TV sets. For example the demo unit I had worked flawlessly on one of my newer sony tv sets, had a ton of roll/etc. problems on a small vcr/tv combo I tried it on, and I couldn't get a screen at all on my ATI tv card on my pc. In fact on the tv card all I had a was a frozen, somewhat distorted title screen. As for other Atari games (like the Retro Atari Classics for the DS) I can't comment on that, I wasn't involved with it.

No it wasn't.

Well the rude part comes in that he already asked the question in this thread, didn't like the answer and decided to direct it to Curt directly in a new thread. Also - you generally don't post messages directed at a certain person only in an open forum. You ask them in email or personal messages. It's a bit like standing outside an apartment building screaming someone's name until they come, or doing the same in the middle of a crowded street. It's not illegal, but it certainly makes people feel uncomfortable and is generally in poor taste. If everyone that wanted Curt's attention and answers did that, AtariAge would be taken over with such posts.

If you mean the business deal that fell through at the last moments, I suppose you could say that. :-) Atari and Amiga actually have a lot of history together. I mean Jay Miner did so much with the Atari 8bits, then did the Amiga. The Tramiels did so much with the Commodore 8bits then would up doing the ST line... kinda odd how things work out sometimes... 941416[/snapback] Yeah, that is exactly what I was referring to. 941537[/snapback] Not to hijack this thread, but please don't tell me you're refering to the missinformation about Jack Tramiel supposedly having a deal with Amiga that fell through the last minute. The deal was with Warner Atari, not Atari Corp. and Tramiel.

Generally serial numbers aren't started with all zeros or something like 00001. They usually start with a higher base number like 00100 or 01000, etc. Jerry or Curt should be able to verify this.

Yes, the one in the picture was under the shielding, as in you have to remove the entire shielded section of the board from the plastic case. It's on the reverse (soldered side) of the board.

As I said, everything is packed away as I find a storage facility for it. But I already gave that info for the one I posted. The 96501M was the one for the board I posted. The only other stuff I have pics of on my computer right now is two difference sixer joystick revisions and the 1090 expansion box I have. l3ushwig has one marked #94317M which would be interesting to see if he has it on his board (assuming he's willing to take the entire thing apart to look at the entire mainboard. That includes taking off the metal cover).