Retro Rogue
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I can't understand why Atari let them release the module, was the 2600 technology not coyrightedColeco didn't win in court. The two companies settled out of court and Coleco wound up paying royalties for every Atari expansion unit and Coleco Gemini sold.
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No, a common missconception based to some collectors looking at it in hindsight a good 8 years or so ago and then putting up their thoughts on the web and in faq's. Consequently that "soundbyte" made its rounds and gets tossed around by people as fact now.
The Colecovision (released in '82 and started on in '81) was designed well before the MSX standard was created ('83). The confusion comes in the fact that because it used off the shelf TI parts and a z80 microprocessor (since its design goal was to make it more like a general purpose computer rather than just a game console, for future expansion), its somewhat similar to the specs that were later used for the MSX1 standard.
So in hindsite, you could say its a primordial MSX computer. However it was not designed with the MSX standard in mind because it didn't exist yet.
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Well the rude part comes in that he already asked the question in this thread, didn't like the answer and decided to direct it to Curt directly in a new thread.take it easy... geesh. It's not that I didnt like the answer I didnt get one
Sure you did.
(except for a smartass response from.. hmmm.. YOU actually!),I was on the FB2 team, and was the only one who saw the post or cared to answer. You didn't like the answer and decided to direct it to the project leader publicly. Plain and simple.
All you asked was "How were the games chosen?" Pretty generalized question, and a generalized answer was given. *Now* you actually started asking more specific questions in this thread and you got more specific answers.
As far as quality control of these games, yes, there were plenty of people playing the games as they (the newer ones and hacks) were being developed. When I played them on my pc to check (emulator wise, since I had the roms), everything worked great with none of the problems people are experiencing. These issues cropped up because of problems in the fabrication stage (which was covered in other threads, so I won't rehash it here). Some of the other issues (people getting b&w or rolling) are syncing problems with modern TV sets. For example the demo unit I had worked flawlessly on one of my newer sony tv sets, had a ton of roll/etc. problems on a small vcr/tv combo I tried it on, and I couldn't get a screen at all on my ATI tv card on my pc. In fact on the tv card all I had a was a frozen, somewhat distorted title screen.
As for other Atari games (like the Retro Atari Classics for the DS) I can't comment on that, I wasn't involved with it.
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Well the rude part comes in that he already asked the question in this thread, didn't like the answer and decided to direct it to Curt directly in a new thread. Also - you generally don't post messages directed at a certain person only in an open forum. You ask them in email or personal messages. It's a bit like standing outside an apartment building screaming someone's name until they come, or doing the same in the middle of a crowded street. It's not illegal, but it certainly makes people feel uncomfortable and is generally in poor taste.
If everyone that wanted Curt's attention and answers did that, AtariAge would be taken over with such posts.
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Wasn't the Amiga an Atari ripoff if you get my meaning
If you mean the business deal that fell through at the last moments, I suppose you could say that. :-)
Atari and Amiga actually have a lot of history together.
I mean Jay Miner did so much with the Atari 8bits, then did the Amiga. The Tramiels did so much with the Commodore 8bits then would up doing the ST line... kinda odd how things work out sometimes...
Yeah, that is exactly what I was referring to.
Not to hijack this thread, but please don't tell me you're refering to the missinformation about Jack Tramiel supposedly having a deal with Amiga that fell through the last minute. The deal was with Warner Atari, not Atari Corp. and Tramiel.
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I don't know if they actually used any "all zeroes" serials - if they did, there would have been less than 25 of them. My guess is they would definitely not have used 00000, but they might have used 00000A, etc., making approximately 21 or 22 all zeroes serials, assuming they didn't skip any letters. Nowadays letters "I" and "O" are often skipped in mixed alphanumeric serials because it's too easy to confuse them with numerals "1" and "0". If Atari did that, there might have been less than 20 all zeroes serials.
Generally serial numbers aren't started with all zeros or something like 00001. They usually start with a higher base number like 00100 or 01000, etc. Jerry or Curt should be able to verify this.
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Yes, the one in the picture was under the shielding, as in you have to remove the entire shielded section of the board from the plastic case. It's on the reverse (soldered side) of the board.
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Great, could you possibly list the serial numbers with the corresponding lot #'s and dates on the motherboards for all three that you have? I hope that this may shed a little more light on what the suffixes correspond to. Like I said, I checked mine but none had the lot # and date like yours do.
As I said, everything is packed away as I find a storage facility for it. But I already gave that info for the one I posted. The 96501M was the one for the board I posted.
The only other stuff I have pics of on my computer right now is two difference sixer joystick revisions and the 1090 expansion box I have.
l3ushwig has one marked #94317M which would be interesting to see if he has it on his board (assuming he's willing to take the entire thing apart to look at the entire mainboard. That includes taking off the metal cover).
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I have three with the dates, here's the serial number for two of them that I happen to already have pics of on my computer. (Just got married and everything is packed up right now).
The first one is the one for the motherboard picture I already posted. Couple of wierd things about that one as well. It has a different style/method of the logo imprint on the case front, as well different printing revision/style for the switch lables. It also has the A/B channel select molding in the case bottom where the normal vents should be. Also, one of the posts inside is only 1/3 the normal height. What was also interesting to me is the date, which shows the heavy sixers were being manufactured in to '78.
I usually open up all my sixers when I get them, because I'm usually giving them a thorough cleaning as well as doccumenting any revisions/differences. I do the same with the sixer joysticks (of which there are several revisions of as well).
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Hah, I had forgotten all about that list at http://www.netmodem.com/claddagh/stellasboneyard.htm. I must have submitted my serial number to him years ago, because I'm on that list.S/N 28921H (heavy sixer)
Steve Engelhardt St. Louis, Missouri
Yes, I'm actually working on an update of that for over at Atari HQ. Also putting that together for Pong systems, 5200 and 7800.
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To use one of A.J.'s previous statements reworked for this thread:
"I take it your answers are assembled very slapdash with no fact checking whatsoever."
No, there are light sixers with the speaker slots as well. They just normally don't have the posts inside. The light sixer runs are basicly all a mishmash of revisions, some with various sixer legacies. I actually have a light sixer that has one speaker hole and the nubs of two posts.
And in the other heavy sixer thread -
Not true.
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I seem to remember a coin-tossing and lots of beer.
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Clint, no - Atari's video phone was actually released as the Mitsubishi Luma Phone (hence the name in the discission). Curt's model is a Luma Phone as well. As far as I know, it was the only product of Ataritel that eventually made it to market.
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Apparently some people in Japan are still using them -
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First off, my unerstanding was that the major store chains themselves were getting their allotted shipments now (not each individual store within that chain). I.e. it has to go to the major distribution centers for each company, everything cataloged/itemized/upc recorded (for those that do that), and then first get distributed to the individual stores.
Once it gets to the individual stores in each chain and everything set within their system, then it'll first get put out.
On that note, I stopped by Best Buy, Target and Walmart here on the north side of Milwaukee (Brown Deer Road for the locals). Target didn't have any, Best Buy was strange though. One of the guy's the helped me said he looked up the release date twice this week and it was either next week or the week after. But when he went to look it up with me, the FB2 entry in the BB system was *completely* gone.
Walmart had 5 of them, and they have to be the second shipments because they had been completely sold out of them since August. Odd thing was, they insisted it was going to be put in the electronics section instead of toys, but there it was in toys by the other plug-n-plays.
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Last I checked, when documents end in .php, its a php document.
As far as what Yuppicide said, he's a bit mistaken. There's nothing wrong with php, its just like any other language. Sloppy programming and no attention to security when coding is what causes a lot of the security problems. Most of what's been getting hacked that I've seen are actual software packages (such as PHPboard) that have security flaws. Much of windows is written in C++, you don't see people blaming "that C++ crap" every time Windows gets hacked or has virus problems. You blame Windows.
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2700
in Atari 2600
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Either that or that Egg McMuffin machine thats in the new Wired. Toasts bread, poaches up an egg and warms meat all at the same time.
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I keep telling everyone, it's just going to be chopped up Nolan Bushnell in a box. But noooooo...........nobody wants to listen. A 5200 shaped mini-coffin, the CX-5200 FB3 aka "Soylent Green".
Marty
okay, we're all getting waaaaay ahead of ourselves here. That kind of info will start to become more available in Spring/Summer 06' So lets just take a step back here for a bit.Curt
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No, that's a common point of confusion. Infogrames Entertainment IR is stil a seperate entity and based in France. The US operations were spun off as a seperate entity named Atari Inc., of which Infogrames is a major shareholder. The other international operations were simply branded with the Atari name. As I stated, Atari Inc. (which is only the US Atari, and the entity that is releasing all these products) is a seperate entity that doesn't take it's que's from Infogrames.
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Actually no, I asked about the same thing, PM'ed Curt myself. Its so that I can hook up a friend of mine with new sticks and a a/v modded Atari.
Doh! Guess Gunstar was too quick at the trigger there. Also - Infogrames != Atari. As stated previosly, Infogames owns a controlling percentage in it. However it's a seperate entity that's pretty much left to it's own devices.
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Just to add my 2 cents -
When I talked with Leonard Tramiel he stated the XEGS was an attempt to "do the 5200 right."
It is a both a game console and a "traditional computer", and was intended as such.
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in AtGames Flashback and Portable Consoles
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Absolutely not, I think you should read a little better. I'm a member of the FB2 team and I answered. He didn't like the answer given, wasn't specific to what he was looking for, so he decided to ask the team leader.
That's your problem if that's how you take it.
I was on the team, worked on both manuals and other material, the name's in the credits. The hardware development was done by the engineering team, which is listed in the credits.
I didn't see a legitimate question, I saw a vague generic one that said "How were the games picked." Then the same question adressed to Curt directly, and then some followup posts that got more specific. There's plenty of boasting going on elsewhere, I have no need to.
Luckily, the rest of the world doesn't stand on your lack of judgement. The pages full of threads on the FB2, posts upon posts by Curt and others on the issues, show otherwise. We *have* been very supportive and gone out of the way to answer questions on those issues. Even a simple search on posts by Curt related to the subject shows 60+ posts (not including FB1 and FB3 related posts) alone. How many other project teams from Atari are that accessible?
As stated, all the time and effort given on these forums participating in almost 5 pages full of Flashback topics and yet there's still accusations by people like you. All because of one thread. I don't get that..at all.