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But I must confess, the S-video cable I've been using works marvelously. I was skeptical (haven't seen a Commodore monitor in 10 or more years) but I've used the S-video cable to a Sony 27" CRT, Sony 35" CRT, and even a lowly (Walmart special) Sanyo 27" CRT - and on all three (suprisingly the latter) I get EXCELLENT quality to the point of absolutely no artifacting whatsoever. All the "graphics 8" 80-column schemes look razor sharp and clear. The game "Choplifter" shows perfect vertical white lines where the anticipated artifacting colors are supposed to be. I even switched back and forth (with a standard composite cable) and of course the 80-cols are a bloody mess and Choplifter looks perfectly like it is supposed to with "extra" colors in the hi-res. I only mention this because I haven't been using S-video (on Atari) long and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it worked. I was under the assumption I had the equivalent of a "27 inch Commodore monitor" because of this; how does the quality of the actual Commodore monitor improve upon this? (For the record, I follow all of your threads and I am quite impressed with your work)

All the "Atari vs. Commodore" threads (genuine as well as impromptu) have me think, how about a reverse on this concept: What GOOD things did the other 8-bit computers of the time have that you longed for with your Atari 800/XL/XE? We all know what we liked our Ataris for; no debate there. Commodore: Yes, the SID sound was great. Atari sound was very good, but I was surprised by SID sounds. Still hard to imagine listening to Atari AMS2 sounds with one less voice, though. The many ports on the back of the C64 allowed for a cheap 1200 baud modem that plugged right in. The Commodore 128 concept and delivery; I don't know much about this machine, except there was no Atari 8-bit counterpart, and if there was, I'd have bought one. Numbers. It was always hard to find another Atari user in mid-80s high school but Commodore users found each other easily. Apple The expansion slots on the IIe. I never knew the joys of this until I plugged in my first Sound Blaster on my first early-90s PC. Meanwhile, Apple users had toys like the Novell AppleCat modem. True, supported 80-column capability. (I never saw a Bit-3 in an 800, and the XL/XE line moved away from that solution, and XEP80 was a joke) FAST floppy drives. Apple floppy drives were faster than anyone else's, by how much I don't know. The Apple IIgs. Don't know much about this machine either, but would have bought one if there was an Atari counterpart! Numbers. It was always hard to find another Atari user in mid-80s high school but Apple users found each other easily. Any thoughts?

Incorrect. I have a Platinum DOL-001 and it has the Digital AV Out port and I have the Nintendo component cable for it. Oops. I stand corrected. I have looked through piles of used Gamecubes, picking out spares, and I hadn't seen a Platinum DOL-001. Sorry for the incorrect inference; thanks for the correction.

Yes, the newer ones (model DOL-101) do not. Older ones (DOL-001) do. Of course, it's just as easy to look on the back of the unit as it is to check the model number, but if you're buying one online, the model number may come in handy just to make sure. Of course, since the Platinum (color) model came out last, you don't have to look at the back or the bottom to know it does NOT have the "digital out" port on the back.

Not sure about the region where you live, but if you're talking about NTSC machines, it should say most XLs (ALL 800XLs) only have composite on the DIN monitor port, and all XEs (65/130, not GS) have composite as well as chroma/luminance. Is this not the case?

Hey there... I don't have plans to do more ANTICS... There is a torrent of them out there and they are also now on the D-bug website: http://atari800archive.dbug-automation.co.uk/. I've given myself about a year to complete what I can of my collection and get it scanned... so I try to get one series complete, scan it, make a DVD, and move to the next one... Just want to point out that the "disc 1" and "disc 2" links on the D-bug archive [the Antics] appear to be broken. It appears that disc 3 (with all the ATRs) are there, although I have not tried to download anything. I was successful with the torrent, but it took several days. I have been seeding it at night when I don't need the computer and nobody else is on the network, but my upload speed (or download) is not very impressive. I really have to thank Thumpnugget for scanning these. They are excellent quality. I have been getting lost in the Antics, fondly remembering being 15 years old reading them!!! DAMN FINE JOB you've done, and I can only imagine what a boon this is for the Atari community; obviously a labor of love that will be appreciated in many parts of the globe. What kind of scanner do you have that can read both sides of a page?

Don't let your woman read that; she might read too much into it! HA HA HA

Perfectly stated. I couldn't agree more, nor have said it better myself.

I never regret buying/collecting all the systems. Like many here (not counting handhelds), I still have 2600, NES, Genesis, SNES, PS1, Saturn, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube - and way too many games for each to remember. With all the extra controllers, games, and accessories, this stuff takes a lot of room, which is the only drawback. Most of the games were bought used. That's the beauty of keeping the system past its prime. You make notes on what you want when it's new, and later you complete your collection for a fraction of the price. Remember the joke Robert Duvall tells Sean Penn in the film "Colors?" "Little cow turns to dad and says, 'See all those cows? Let's run down the hill and f**k one.' Dad cow says 'No son, let's walk down, and f**k them all.'" One day, you won't be able to actually own games "forever" anymore, or buy them used. Everything will be distributed online, require online support that won't be provided eventually, and last only as long as your console's hard drive. Maybe you'll get too old to like new games. Assuming you'll live, you'll have plenty of gaming to do, all paid-for, and at a bargain if you waited to get the stuff. What's to regret? Plus it's a hell of a time now, when friends come over and enter your gaming room and play all the old systems. Chances are, there's one they remember from the past and enjoy, even if they don't own current systems.

Over the holidays, the Xbox 360 packages had 2 kiddie games - Lego Indiana Jones and Kung Fu Panda. If you didn't want those games, just the system, and wanted to trade those 2 new games back in, they'd pay you $6 for them - that's $3 EACH for the games that were on the very shelf for $40 EACH. The only thing I buy at Gamestop is SOME of the used accessories in the bag, when they're sometimes cheaper, after I've looked on Ebay and Amazon.com.

Well, yeah - there was time. But I wasn't (nor shall I ever be) ready to pay $600 for a game console. Evidently I'm not the only one who feels this way. You should base getting a new console on as many factors as you can. Why shouldn't playing old games be a factor; we're collectors here. Obviously, playing the PS2 games without having another system/controllers/etc cluttering the living room is why. I keep all the systems, but can't have them all hooked up all the time. I never bought the slim. $60? Come on. Still $130 last time I looked; I've been waiting for $99, but my old one never died. Looks like the new ones have the power supply built in, but no price cut (yet). Don't get me wrong; I still want one because it's cool, the PS controllers are my favorite, and I end up getting all the systems every time anyway. I'm surprised I don't need a PS3 to play GTA 4, Ace Combat 6, Soul Calibur 4, Virtua Fighter 5. I'm thinking I'd have one by now if I did. A "real" completed Gran Turismo 5 would have been an incentive, but Forza 2 is $20. At least they have vibrating controllers again!

Good question; I googled it and found this page: http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/01/24/why-the...play-ps2-games/ ...where he says that all iterations of the PS3 can play PS1 games. Can anyone confirm this? Where I have to question the judgement of the proprietor of that page, is where he says "There is evidence that the latest iteration of the PS3 has all the hooks in place to play PS2 games." I have to highly doubt that statement. Why would they reverse themselves? Buying (again) PS2 games that you already own online and playing them in a proprietary sort of runtime-emulator does not constitute playing PS2 games when you OWN THE DISC and it won't work on the machine. Therein lies the reason they removed the backward compatibility - so you'll buy the games you own from the online Playstation store. I don't have one and don't currently plan on getting one. If they reinstate the backward compatibility, I would be more interested. I have been a huge Playstation fan for the PS1 and PS2, but most of the games I want are on Xbox360, and you can play old Xbox games ($2) on it and the Xbox Live even works for them. I will likely get one eventually since it's still really cool. I just hope they cut the price and stop removing features with each subsequent release.

Wow! I must have missed this thread, and I'm impressed with some of y'alls' collections! Like others here, I thought I was "hardcore" but I'm really average in this crowd. Anyway, my turn....I have at least 2 of each (must have backup systems, right?), and sometimes link all that are capable of it - I even link 2 Gamecube/Gameboy Players). (Never linked the Saturns with the jap. link cable, but do have 2 Netlink setups. Do have the Dreamcast link setup though) 1) 2600 - 4-switch woodgrain 2) Atari 130XE 3) NES 4) Genesis II 5) Super Nintendo 6) Playstation 5501/7001/7501 unmodded/modded 7) PS-One Combo (LCD screen) Sega Saturn (modded/unmodded) 9) Nintendo 64 10) Sega Dreamcast 11) Playstation 2 (big old 39001 model) 12) Xbox 13) Gamecube Handhelds: 1) Gameboy 2) Gameboy Pocket 3) Gameboy Color 4) Gameboy Advance SP 5) Nintendo DS (original) 6) Nintendo DS Lite Many, many games for each, but nothing like you true collectors. Many duplicate games 'cause I love the "system link" function on anything that does it. Many, many space-wasting twinsticks, steering wheels, big bulky arcade sticks, flight sticks, etc. I can't believe how much space this kind of stuff takes up. Want: Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, PSP. (in that order)

I picked it up in sealed box w/controller for cheap a couple years ago; It's neat to have for 2600 but you MUST play the 8-bit computer version or the 5200 version to really appreciate the game. They're so much superior it can not be stressed enough. I must admit, I was impressed to see the game even pulled off at all on the VCS.

I love this game. I couldn't believe they made a better "Breakout" game than Atari, but they did. No telling how many similar games (on many systems) that need a paddle but use a D-pad have FAILED to use the scheme of using the buttons for fast or fine control of the paddle. That was brilliant, and seems to have been forgotten. It almost made up for NOT having a paddle!

I bought one from an importer on Ebay. I love it! Have used it on Arkanoid and Space Invaders Extreme and it's great! I hear it works with Mario Kart? Anybody actually tried this? Too bad it's never going to be supported anymore. I wish Nintendo would have left the DS alone. Of course, without the GBA port, you'll be buying (again) and downloading your games, which is the real point to the redesign. Our beloved paddle controllers are some serious collateral damage!

I'm a former ST user. Only went ST instead of Amiga for 2 reasons: (1) It was by Atari and I was - at the time - foolishly brand loyal, and (2) It most certainly was cheaper than the Amiga. In retrospect, I kinda wish I'd explored the Amiga but as has been mentioned in this thread, the cartoony user interface was sort of a turnoff. However, I was impressed with Amiga graphics at the time. As has also been mentioned in this thread, the ST was "cobbled" together with off-the-shelf parts, etc. Yes, but the ST still had pretty good graphics for the time - I mean, we were all using 8-bits prior to it. Just because it wasn't the absolute best doesn't mean it completely sucked. The ST - "ordinary" as it may have been inside - was still a good performer and a tremendous value in 1985. Not so much in later years, but at launch. However, in modern times, I don't have the fondness for the ST that I do the 8-bit Atari. When I moved to a 286 and tried Microsoft Windows/286 I felt like I got a new ST. Same with 386/486/etc. Every time I buy a new Windows box, I feel like I'm buying another ST. But the ST didn't suck.

If you consider how much more than that the 1200XL sold for when it was new, how much more each dollar was worth in 1983, and how completely rare a new-in-the-box machine is now, not a bad deal!!!! If I hadn't decided to go back to school, I'd be filling rooms with stuff like your collection. I think I'd feel pretty good to have stacks of new-in-the-box Ataris around me. That 400 is awesome. Me wants. Now open the box and stick your beak in, pull in the 1983 air, hold it, and sit back and laugh!

Thanks guys, for responding to this thread. I am quite satisfied to be on Xbox Live, even with the old Dinosaur. I can't believe I can race Forza against people in Alaska. I'm obviously new to online gaming. I got interested in this with the DS, which I find the "free" online works rather well. I have been playing Advance Wars 4, Mario Kart, and GRID online and that's what got me wanting to try Xbox Live. My only prior experience with online was PS2 - I can't beleive I paid $40 for the network adapter when it came out for the old dinosaur BIG PS2. The idea was to play ATV Offroad Fury 2 over DIAL-UP and it worked a little....but every time I got ahead, the other guy would hang up. That's the biggest turnoff to online gaming. I find that Halo 2 has a LOT of people playing. There's no "hanging up" since you respawn so quickly. Very cool. Does anybody still game online with PS2? I'll bet they take the "free" servers down quickly so only the very latest games will still work.....or has all online gaming moved to PS3? Anybody actually own one of those things?

. . . How about FRONT LINE, a nice Taito release from the early 80's, and one of my favorites..... Was that ever released ON AN ARCADE COMPILATION? I know it never came out on the consoles back in the day, but did it ever come out ON ANYTHING?

Because MAME plays EVERYTHING and there wouldn't be any point in ASKING THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. Can you get that through your head? Challenged, are we? Don't understand that MAME plays everything so why the question? Work on it, and get back to me. That's splitting hairs pointlessly? I'd say your "5 year rule" does.

Maybe that that isn't what the OP asked? The question is "What are some arcade games that were never made into a console version?" as it says in the thread title on your screen. Was there ever a question what the o.p asked? It's on the screen. That is exactly what we are talking about. Now what is your point? Mine was that you're splitting hairs pointlessly. If you can play it on a console version - that is, if it WAS SOLD FOR A CONSOLE then the answer is "YES." If you don't like arcade compilations, don't like packages that you suspect are emulation, don't like games by Midway, don't like purple packages, etc...etc.. and "don't want to include" some games based on that fact, knock yourself out. Namco Museum is still a console version of Dig Dug. Whether you care for it or not, or choose to include it, or not, is your business. Who really cares whether or not you do? The original post was didn't say" What are some arcade games that were never made into a console version, but don't count arcade compilations 20+ years later and let Artlover pick and choose what counts." That's your whacko idea. As far as MAME is concerned, of course it shold not count because: (1) It was never for sale on any console, and is ususally used illegally, (2) It can play ANY arcade game, so there'd be no point in even asking the original question.

RC Pro Am is probably my favorite of all on Original Gameboy. If you're talking original Gameboy and want good graphics, good luck. Original Gameboy was not at all about graphics, but about gameplay. I was prejudiced against the original Gameboy when it came out because of the graphics, but after playing Alleyway and RC Pro Am I was hooked. What constitutes "good" graphics? By the standards of today, or the standards of when these systems came out? Puzzle League (aka Pokeman Puzzle Challenge in some versions) are excellent puzzle games. Tetris, or Tetris DX on GB Color, of course. Which Gameboy are you talking about? Original, Color, Advance?

The original TRON arcade game was included as a part of "Tron 2.0" for Game Boy advance. It uses the shoulder buttons to try to emulate the spinning knob - which isn't as good, but was the best solution as far as what could be done on the GBA. As far as I know, this was the only iteration of Tron arcade game you could buy. So does this "count?" It's the Tron arcade game you can play at home (or anywhere). It's also part of another game. I don't understand this splitting hairs about "doesn't count if it's emulation" or "doesn't count as part of an arcade compilation 20 years later." It's the ability to play the arcade game at home - that much can't be disputed. What more is the point? You can split hairs infinitely on your own....

. . . I like how the term "refurbish" has been totally shit on by the advertising cretins (little bit of Carlin there for those of you sharp enuf to know) to the point that it means "sell this piece of shit again as-is." To use more Carlin, whenever you see the term "refurbished" it means they feel too full-of-shit to say "remanufactured," and even if they say that, they're pulling your prick because it's been USED or more properly ABUSED - because if it hadn't, the irresponsible person who originally bought it would have been able to afford to keep it. Of course, it's all in good fun.....in seeing the bullshit offers and observing the willing suckers.