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Yeah, this is mostly how it treats various ARM systems as well. Ha, yeah Mac users again have to justify the price. Yet people happily still will build generic hardware and make Hackintoshes. I dislike Macs myself, just can't see the draw to them...

In defense of the price of the VCS. You could buy the VCS and it's entire game library out now for less than the mark up from MSRP of any new GPU! That people list the 3090 for 1k over what nvidia was supposed to sell them for is outrageous.

Well synthetic benchmarks only tell part of the story. Sure a game like gta V is semi-old now, but it is kind of telling that it plays close to PS4 levels and that is through Proton on Linux. Ah, the Jameson calmed me down. Either way, the VCS is a fun little machine, and was it worth it? Yeah, I would say so, it is pribably more fun for me to see a system evolve from early on over just buying something that 'just works' probably why I like Linux and find Windows boring (outside of all the closed source / proprietary annoyances, it is just boring.) The VCS reminds me of the time when MiNT first released for the ST, before Atari officially called it Mint is Now TOS. Like suddenly you had this weird multitasking kernel and you could do all sorts of crazy stuff... if only you didn't munch all your ram! So regardless if the thing was crowdfunded, or their management has no clue. It is still a piece of hardware with wood grain, some weird controller (and one of the most comfy, BUT I would not pit it against the Thrustmaster eSwap Pro... but then that controller was not all that shy of the price of the VCS itself... lousy import. Love that thing though!) that actually showed up, on Christmas Eve no less. There was some sort of shit show in the UK for deliveries, but it sounds like Atari got that sorted. Their support has actually been rather great, as has Antstream. Time really will tell if this is successcul enough for a VCS2, etc. The things that actually are irritating is the spitefulness that the thing exists. The comparison that keeps going back and forth about what compares to the Ouya, I never liked the idea of that as I think Android is a terrible gaming base. It eats up resources in a terrible way. Nit to mention it seems that every game is mostly microtransaction based. I am more than willing to buy full games (I have MANY android games through Humble Bundle and even bought Neverwinter Nights on it) but the vast majority on the play store are just asking for money or time to play. Occasionally a guy I work with will get addicted to a game on his iphone... and then I think it looks cool and play... and then want to toss my phone at the wall when I see it ask for 1 turn a day unless I pay... so whenever I see ANYTHING say ot is a game system based on Android I immediately run away. If they had once said that about the VCS I would have ran for the hills. But on the other hand I do support Linux Gaming. So if developers are willing to port to Linux and the VCS, I will support them. This is why I compare the Amico to the Ouya. Android is not a great operating system. It fails in the aspect of being really open source and user respecting that Linux does. Sure, there is AOSP, but having used that a few times... it is kind of gross. Even stock android is meh, so far that is why I have stuck to Samsung phones. Hopefully I will be getting my Librem 5 soonish so I can muck with it... 😛 Sorry for the long post, FINALLY winding down from work for the night and also setting up VR downstairs, and then on the middle of it all... my 8tb USB back up drive is having issues even mounting...

I've yet to see an Intel GPU handle GTA V like the Vega 3 does. I even ran it at 1080p and still got 30-40fps. Didn't even rip up the fans like I have seen the PS4 do. I'd have to look at how much I paid for mine, but pretty sure it was only 300, and I got the normal controller and the 'classic'. They probably upped the price because they did get a newer board than what they initially were going to use as well. But I mean they have to make back some money, they aren't Sony / Microsoft who sell you a 'fake' 400 dollar system, that they then basically require another $$ whatever a year for their services. 'That's how they get ya' ha. I could be remembering wrong, but I thought someone managed to get like 1300-1500 on passmark? Can't recall if it was overclocked memory or not. I mean I could try running it, but I have Linux installed on mine, and I'm not sure how much of a hit wine gives to passmark.

Interesting, I just checked. This isn't a game that is normally available on Linux (at least through Steam.)

Intel's integrated graphics are kind of crap (hopefully that'll change soon?) so there is that. But yeah I did price for spec per spec, and found it was roughly about the same as if you tried to buy an R1606G system in a little cube. Their backer thing offered it with or without controllers. There were people who actually ordered it with no controllers and received it and was like 'well now what?' and I said 'you can plug in a PS4 controller and it works fine (the touch pad even works as a mouse). So whenever people say it's 389... well it isn't quite. I mean you could buy it without controllers and use various other controllers (someone said the 8bitdo Arcade stick worked, and I bought one, but haven't had time to try to get it to connect yet).

If/When they bring them back in store, I may pick one up to have one in another room. They are fun little machines.

To finish this thread. Where is my SegaSMS?

Oh my god, this wfh stuff... earlier there really was one that just needed to be shared...

Man, I'd already be hitting the Scotch if it weren't for the fact that I'm still working... Stupid laws in this state, or I'd probably be tokin' it up too ha.

None of the ones with the exact specs or better on new egg are significantly less than the VCS (by significant I mean like 50 bucks). I've linked several too, that were the actual R1606G. Can't recall where I did it, but I did some research on them, and they were in the 500 ballpark with memory and storage. So sure you can buy dozens of different mini-PCs. of varying performance. But the VCS is right in the correct ballpark of what it should be. The VCS also is NOT 389. It's only that much if you buy it with controllers. And you wont' be getting those with a mini-PC. I've still had Kickstarters go south. They all still have the potential for fail or not. The point here is the VCS did actually release. So at this point it is moot in comparing it to other systems.

Ha. Yeah and that's something that sets me off, sorry. I love Linux, hate Android. Linux (desktop, server, whatever you want to put it on, toaster, etc) vs Android (uses Linux Kernel, treats you as a piece of data ripe for the munching on, always trying to share your contacts with every app, etc). So pretty much when people confuse the two, I do get a tad aggressive and annoyed. Being a long few weeks of work doesn't help. But to answer the other question, no I'm absolutely not normally like this and usually help people out wherever I can. I just find it weird that some people absolutely blast the VCS, yet praise the Intellivision. I just remember from the 80s thinking the Intellivision was a piece of crap, while I had my 800XL HA! Edit: Also, where did you get my photo, I thought I removed all those... damn internet and it's backups.

Shit day at work

I know what the open platform parts of the Ouya are though. You're stuck trying to run distributions that support ARM, and much like running Linux on a PS3, you're not getting hardware acceleration. (this is a guess, as it certainly seems to be the trend for all ARM SoC to have a proprietary blob that is locked to the specific version of kernel the Android device came with. Why else do you think that Android phones typically get 1, maybe 2 major releases then are dropped like a stone. It's because of those GPUs that no one releases a newer driver for so newer kernels can use it... Well one of the many reasons). I'll say this, there are a lot of systems that claim they are open platforms, but probably the RISC-V boards are the closest. I think even the Pi4 doesn't have an open GPU.

It uses the Linux Kernel, that is where all similarities end between Android and a proper Linux distribution (like Redhat, Debian, Arch). Ubuntu is a 'fork' of Debian. When most people refer to Linux, they refer to Linux + GNU stuff that includes tons of other software. When one refers to Android, it's Linux+Google's slop over it. So far WonderOS is not on the VCS at all, unless they ripped the fronted of it off of it and slapped it over Apertis. https://gizmodo.com/sadistic-keyboard-will-shock-the-hunt-and-peck-out-of-y-1846173358 Sounds like you need one of these.

I actually agreed with zzip and said the same thing in another post. The VCS really isn't similar to the Ouya though. And yes, I compare ONLY hardware / software. Every thing else from a console point of view is irrelevant to me. Sure maybe it matters to you. Fine, cool. Whatever helps you sleep at night. That press release also called it the Razen... Actually OWNING a VCS, I can guarantee you that it is not running Android. This is the operating system it runs. https://apertis.org/

Can it run Crysis? I will not be surprised when doom is ported, seems to be everyone ports to everything these days besides the Linux kernel (which they somehow crammed onto the N64)

STOP!!! Don't make me turn this car around and buy a 3DS....

I loved the concept of the Switch, so I bought one. I do play the VCS more. Though my version of 'play' differs from most. If there isn't something I can hack with, or mess around with, or it's a little buggy... I actually get bored too easily haha. So I kind of like that the VCS is on a weird unstable situation where it's not quite there, and you can play around with things on it. Don't get me wrong, the Switch is a wonderful machine. But it's similar to the VCS in that you buy it for Exclusive Nintendo licenses, a HUGE majority of games on it are not only on the Switch, in fact it seems only Nintendo is the exclusive makers of games for it. But their games are quite excellent. The problem Atari has is that while they have some excellent IP still... they don't have any good development teams (at least that they've shown) to rework that IP into something amazing that will get people to absolutely crave the system. I vote that they need a proper remake of Star Raiders. That would basically do it. And if they REALLY want to sell that, they need to do a full on controller for it like they originally did! (not that I'm advocating for a numeric keypad, but like a HOTAS).

Ha, yeah as soon as I read 'PS4 best selling console' I was like 'pretty sure the PS2 is still the best by a long shot'. I've already shown this to be incorrect. Comparable mini PCs for one are ugly little bricks. Second off, the barebones versions cost as much as the 8gb ram 32gb storage VCS. The only people who cared about that were the people on this forum and some YouTubers. I bet you most people right now if you walked up to a random person on the street and said 'Whoa, did you know there is a new console by Atari?' they'd probably wonder why you're not wearing a mask and shuffle away from you... Hell, when the Atari Jaguar came out people would do that to me (minus the mask joke). People who are shopping in Walmart and see the snazzy box and stuff and are in their 40s, but haven't really kept up in the gaming industry and would just like to go home and play asteroids again are the target for this thing. Or nerds that like Linux, or installing operating systems on weird devices just to see what the hell they can do about it (someone mentioned turning it into a full blown MIDI studio, because why not?) I'll agree about this. Though let's be fair in this day and age, viral marketing usually is lies with little facts

How is 'they were both crowdfunded' a valid point on 'the systems are similar'? Who gives a crap about how they came about. Yeah, I know enough of the Ouya to know why I would never own one. So what if you can offer up your own creations, you can do that on a standard Android phone too, use adb, etc. To me the platform matters. Do I have to log into a google account on a VCS? Nope? Does it run Android at all (which I hate), nope. So really if you are stretching that they being crowdfunded makes them similar....

Ha, that wasn't a snafu. They implemented multiple account save games. Guess they couldn't figure out how to do that without removing them. But it was done on purpose, as annoying as it is. We that have the system just have to keep in mind it is an 'early access' deal. If they do something similar after general release, then people have every right to scream.

So yeah, basically I understood all your points, they just weren't valid. It's still more valid that the Ouya and Amico are more similar in scope / operating system / likely software support. The VCS is more akin to a Linux machine with a proprietary store, with the option to load your own OS.

What do you mean, lots of people used to say the ST is a Mac. They called it the Jackintosh . The difference back then though is custom chips. Sure, you could emulate across them as they had similar processors, but the way they generated sounds / displays were quite different. x86 stuff, less so as the architecture is the same, and gpus / sound etc all go across the ISA/PCI/PCIe/AGP, etc buses. The AMD stuff in the newer consoles are just variation on the same stuff you can slap into a generic box.

Open stores? Yeah, you for sure don't have the facilities for this conversation to work. The only thing the Ouya and AtariVCS have in common is 'they are things you hook up to a TV and have controllers'.