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6 minutes ago, Cynicaster said:
The terminology "worst console" seems kind of flame-bait-y so I'd rather not use it.
The OP wasn't asking for worst of ALL TIMEJust the worst YOU'VE played.
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34 minutes ago, CatPix said:
Hmmm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_panel#History
"Novel ideas indeed".
Also, novel in video gaming :
And yes, those don't use the panels to charge a battery, they are entierely relying on the solar panels. And they work as long as they are exposed to the sunlight, or a reasonnably powerful home light source.
AND THEY HAVE SOUND!
I do'nt see what those guys are trying to prove.
Batteryless devices? They exist. Powering electronics on and off constantly wear out said electronics. Same for their "quick saving" : efficient flash is more fragile and costly to manufacture.
I mean it's certainly a neat project and a fun think to tinker with, but this isn't gonna go anywhere.
If you wanna play with your Game Boy without batteries, there is a solution :
WOW
Way to stifle creative/forward thinking.
I guess you think that danged Atari is why kids are so fat and no one plays baseball anymore.... cause they can do it on their newfangled technology gadgets!!!!!!!
That's a sad response from an Avatar I recognize.
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I think a LOT of this is missing the point.
MOST Atari sales (be they 7800 or 2600 Jr.s) were poor/cheap parents looking for an easy way out to provide their children with video games.
I can tell you for sure, and someone else please back me up, that when child 'X' received a 7800 (or even a 2600 Jr.) for Xmas in 1988 or whatever, they got what they didn't want.
Sure it counts as sale, but it's a bad sale when your customer is unhappy with the product (hence why Atari doesn't exist really anymore).
Like I say. after 1987... EVERY kid wanted an NES.
Eventually, some of us got an SMS or TG16 instead and were happy.... and hell, even some of us were even happy with our 7800/2600 Jr.
But at the end of the day, the parents eventually bought an NES or SMS or TG16 for their kids too.
AND some kids, like I say just gave up on the video game 'fad' and found other hobbies.
VERY few kids were happy playing 7800 Asteroids and Ms Pac-Man when they were going to their friends houses and playing Mega Man 2 and Super Mario Bros. 1 & 2 and Legend of Zelda and Metroid.
Sales numbers don't mean ANYTHING regarding customer satisfaction.
EDIT: Thats why I believe I had such trouble finding 7800 systems in the mid-late 90's. Because by then Sega and Nintendo ruled the market, and anyone who had an "Atari"... well all they had was fuel for the fire pit out back. Yes that's a thing. The fire pit. Like I say, no dumpsters in rural Newfoundland.
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1 hour ago, Leeroy ST said:
I think the closest thing to Pac-Man fever was Q*bert as it had lunchboxes, commercials clothing, and iirc womens lingerie. It was pretty big though unlike Pac-man were the Sequels were ok just not as popular, with Q*bert I think the sequel completely killed it's momentum. Most people I know or who I have talked too online and off don't even remember or have even heard of Q*Berts Qubes.
I had SO much Q*Bert merchandise as a kid (that is all gone now).
YET, I never played or seen a Q*Bert video game (I'm from the sticks remember) until I got the red label re-release by Atari for my birthday in 1989!!!
That was cool. To FINALLY have the actual game. Thank goodness it lived up to the hype.
I too never heard of Q*Bert's Qubes untill I found AtariAge
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Bowled a 193 last night. Game 1, curve ball. Best in a while. Not sure of my all time best.
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2 hours ago, Leeroy ST said:
Wikipedia is the most likely corporate look at the relase date for the 7800 on there.
As I said at best we are looking at Canada+Mexico internationally and that's a small shipment.
I must say, here in Newfoundland (Basically the ghetto of Canada for those unfamiliar) 7800s were fairly common.
But anyone who had one, didn't want it. They asked for an NES, but their poor (financially poor) parents saw a cheap alternative and bought that.
No one actually played them. They either eventually got an NES (or in my case an SMS... I got my first VCS, a JR model, for xmas '86, even though I asked for a Coleco like my cousin had, and an SMS the summer of 90) or they forgot about the gaming hype altogether and had fun instead tearing up the woods on quads and skidoos.... which your parents had NO problems spending money on!!! ??
I regret not caring about the 7800 sooner, because even by '93 when I was buying other peoples old VCS games (I've been a retro gamer since before it meant something) people ironically still had all their old VCS games... but literally had thrown their 7800s away.
And forget dumpster diving or whatever... throwing shit away here (especially in those days) meant having a big fire in your backyard.
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I wanted a Jaguar SOO bad.
Magazines at the time with their screenshots and all, plus the 64 BIT hype.
I was like... "What about 32 bit??? Or are we just skipping that because 3D0 and CDi are doing so bad?? The fact it used carts even led me to believe that CDROM was a fad, mainly for Computers and Music... not gaming. Sega and NECs CD units weren't exactly flying of shelves either!!!
Then Jaguar came out with a CD Unit with like a year!!!
Thank god I grew up in nowheresville where this wasn't available.
I KNOW I would have wasted MY money!!!
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6 hours ago, Tantan said:
Spray inside of the Pots with WD-40 and move them back and forth as you spray. this cleans them and will get you operational in a snap. you can get WD-40 at any automotive or hardware store like home depot.
I'm not doubting you here, well kind of I guess I am!!!
It's just that it's been my experience, mechanics wise, that WD40 is generally used as a SHORT term solution to a problem.
I.E. A stuck lugnut. WD40 will loosen it. A stuck bicycle chain on the other hand, it's works at FIRST... but causes MUCH worse problems down the road.
A lot of people misunderstand WD40. It's NOT a lubricant. It's dissolves shit.
BUT in this case it doesn't sound like lube is what we want, but dissolving that fine metal isn't something I want to do either.
If anyone can back up what your saying, I might try it.
I have a pair of paddles giving me trouble... I've been considering looking for some new ones, but if this can ACTUALLY help...
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No... it started when I made the point that "The Atarian's" Mailbag Column had a letter where some kid claimed that not only he, but all his friends too, would rather come to his house and play Mario Bros. (1983) and Winter Games on his 7800 in the year of 1989 than anything released on the NES to that point. Which is laughable. Hurt my sides laughable.
And then you actually defended that letter and acted as though it could have been real. (This was in their FIRST issue mind you... how many people are sending letters to a magazine that doesn't even exist yet??)
But yeah, I'm out of troll food.
Enjoy alienating the small audience your book has.
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Seems like we don't know what we're talking about, and you know enough to teach all of us narrow minded fools right from wrong!
So why are you still here?
Go write your book and we'll save our troll food for the next hungry one.
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You're amazing dude.
Just write whatever it is you WANT to write.
You come here asking for advice and input, and then refute everything that's been offered, because it's contrary to what you want to write.
You clearly have an agenda, and you thought, this being an ATARI fan site, we'd all jump on board and agree with everything you claim, just because it's painting Atari in a positive light.
We ARE Atari fans, but we're not blind to reality.
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2 hours ago, bluejay said:
The 5200 however, I'm not sure where to put. It's obviously better than other 2nd gen consoles, but I don't find anything as good as 3rd gen consoles. The graphics as certainly better than the 2600, but much worse than the 7800, NES, etc. The sound is still very 1970s, and the controllers are more 2nd gen. So I classify the 5200 as the latest/most advanced 2nd gen console.
The 5200 had GREAT sound, if you consider the 7800 went back to using the same sound as the 2600.
Might have been a necessary evil for backwards compatibility, but I find that is the consoles biggest problem.
The games look great, but sound terrible (Except for the few that had POKEY chips.... that should have just been put it right in the system)
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2 hours ago, Leeroy ST said:
...This actually makes perfect sense since Mario Bros. is on the 7800...
So... you really think kids would rather play a "more" accurate arcade port of 1983 Mario Bros. in 1989 rather than anything released on the NES by that point???
were YOU this Derek Jacobs I wonder??
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I wish I could find it now... but THERE IS a clear case of false advertising regarding QBert... I just wish I could find it
It basically says "Screenshots from Atari 2600" yet doesn't have the slightly skewed pyramid AND shows the teleporter pads as rainbow circular discs.... which were definitely NOT on the 2600!!!
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Two identical looking NTSC carts of SQ:EW
One has the PAL solution (the roughed up one), one other has the NTSC solution
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This snippet from Atarian: Video Game Magazine, their first issue dated May/June 1989 shows just how much Atari liked to lie and actually publish these lies, shows that anything they "claim" can be as trustworthy as the photographers of Bigfoot or The Loch Ness Monster.
Yeah... It's spring of 1989, and kids are clamoring to go to his house and play Mario Bros. (not SUPER Mario Bros. mind you!!!) and, of ALL things, Winter Games (???) on the 7800, rather than ANYTHING that had been released on the NES by that point... it's just... it's... oh my god... it's just so bad... actually, it's so SAD rather!!!
This CANNOT be an actual letter, I can't believe they actually used a full name, not just initials,.. and a city, not just a state...
They were REALLY lying through their teeth!!!!!
EDIT: Or possibly they were from a neighborhood (I know Forth Worth is not small, so it's not indicative of the city as a whole!!!) with serious xenophobia that wanted to support ANYTHING American and NOT foreign (particularly Japanese, WWII was less than 50 years in the past) Not glad I had to type that, but it's an unfortunate truth about the past (and sometimes even the present) So yeah, there might have been some parents that wouldn't by a "Nintendo" and kids would go to his house to play ANYTHING that was a video game.
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50 minutes ago, neotokeo2001 said:
Most people at that time did not read the manual first. Games were plug and play and the manual an afterthought. Some people would read the manual if stuck but the majority would say it sucked and moved on to the next game. That was my initial experience with E.T., I did not play it again until weeks later after I purchased it due to the pits and weird symbols. I did read the manual and went on to enjoy the game, but I still hated the pits.
On 8/9/2017 at 11:42 AM, Torr said:Damn near EVERY game released on the Atari had "hard to decipher" graphics, unobvious gameplay mechanics, and tons of game select variations that can be further altered with the difficulty switches.
The idea that "most people" never read the manuals just seems unbelievable to me.
How would you know you're supposed to bring a golden cup back the yellow castle in Adventure?
How would you know what Game Variation to pick for Hyperwarp or Shields in Asteroids?
How would you know that if you want to see Evil Otto in Berzerk you have to pick a certain Game Variation?
How would you figure out the Hyperwarp or Smart Bombs in Defender?
How would you know to use two controllers in Defender II / Stargate?
How would you know you're supposed to find 3 pieces of an Urn and then get back out in Haunted House?
How would you know what the other 'moving blocks' do in Maze Craze's many Game Variations?
How would you know what all of Space Invader's 66(!) Game Variations are?
Not even to mention games like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Riddle of the Sphinx, Space Shuttle...
How would you know that you return all the bridge pieces, bring all the bad guys to jail, turn back into Clark Kent at the phone booth and then go to the Daily Planet to win Superman?
Sounds a lot like ET.
Growing up I had 9 game of my own that I received. The boxes were of course thrown away, but I still to this day have the manuals.
Plus about 20 more hand-me-downs. None of which had manuals. And I had difficulty with them all.
Berzerk I understood, but never knew about Evil Otto until AtariAge
SwordQuest, Raiders, and ET I had fun muddling with but never figured out.
Damn near every Activision game threw me... I just couldn't understand that the point of the game was to get the best "time"!
Barnstorming, Sky Jinx, Skiing... you just play for a while, then it makes you stop... am I going for the longest or shortest time? I didn't know, generally in games the longer you play the better right?
Dragster, once I figured out how not to blow my engine, it was still no fun, cause know one else could work the transmission for me to race against... and again, I didn't understand the "time" aspect.
Master Builder... HAH!
Basketball... if My cousin never told me there was a one player mode using the second joystick, I sure wouldn't have figured it out...
The list goes on.
My best memories are of my "own" games. Because I knew how to Play them
I also had some Great hand-me-downs, but with no manuals, I couldn't enjoy them properly.
People read these manuals back in the day. They had to have.
I'm quoting myself from an older topic (one the MANY) regarding ET and this stupid idea that VCS games were "plug and play" and "no one read manuals"
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While you're there, see if you can find a guy doing some hardwork on a 'new' 2600 game...
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My first software... we had a C-64 and I only ever had ONE actual disk that was bought from a store. EVERYTHING else was pirates from a C-64 club my uncle was in where people would meet up and duplicate each others disks. So I eventually had 2 disks FULL of decent games.
But back to my first, well I think it was still a pirate, I've learned in time!
It was disk with 4 games on it. All by Anirog. Kong, Scramble, Cosmic Commando, and Zodiac.
Kong I enjoyed because, come on it was 1986 and all I had otherwise was the 2600 version! Incredibly difficult, but it just looked so clean and colorful and better sounds!
Scramble was GREAT fun. Come on.. it's Scramble!!!
Zodiac was fun for a while, but it just goes and goes...
Cosmic Commando, now THERE was a weird one. Damn near impossible. A shooting gallery game where you pretty much had to hit EVERY target EVERY round, if you missed once, you might still make it, if you missed twice, fuck it, give up.
In recent years, I've been trying to learn more about these games. Turns out Cosmic Commando was playable with a light gun?? Never knew the C64 had a light gun!!!
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It's hard to pick...
Like choosing between Star Wars and Star Trek, they both offer a very different style of the same basic premise.
I still remember the first time I played Video Pinball, I was like, 'this is basically pachinko!' I was playing for about 4-5 minutes and had to use the flippers maybe 3 or 4 times. Otherwise I was just watching the ball bounce all around and racking up a score I really had nothing to do with!!!
THEN I read the manual and learned how to nudge.... SO much more fun!
Midnight Magic is awesome but it bugs me how much screen real estate is wasted to maintain the vertical playfield. Even if they had done it in two halves, that switch as the ball gets lower as many 8-16 bit pinball games did. But still, an amazing game.
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10 hours ago, keithbk said:
Just a question, on this topic...
Does anyone ever play "Another Adventure," the game I did?
I know you might not have the cartridge, but I did make the ROM freely available.
Hmm... been away for a while, not sure if I know about that game, time to find it and try it!
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Look, sorry for being snappy. This is all I have to say on this matter.
I am seriously DONE with this whole C=64 thing.
I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to load even a SINGLE... thing, yes thing, not even a fucking
64 KRAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE
READY
*Blinking square*
Not even that, in ANY C64 emulator.
I've been trying off an on since around 2003-2004.
I keep saying, its 2010,.. its 20014,.. it's 2020... what the fuck ever... I've gotten the same results every time.
Every damn time.
This is not the first thread I've started over my years on this message board and they always work out the same.
I'm tapping out. I'm done.
I may have been emulating everything under the sun since the 90's. N64, CDi... those are the only other two major consoles I've never emulated older than PS2... and that's neglecting the lovely Dolphin emulator which let me play a couple of GCN games.
But you've bested me C=64, you really have my balls in a VICE.
I enjoyed you briefly with the C64 mini, but that one has controller issues which I won't get into here, which has led it IT being unplayable.
Anirog Kong.... you will be missed.
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1 hour ago, youxia said:
.... then there's something wrong with your OS/PC.
I've worked tech support call centers. And I know that THIS is the response you give when you're dealing with something you don't understand.
Like I said. Mods... delete, or at least lock, this thread. It's going nowhere.
EDIT. Seriously... the next comment that is as "helpful" as the rest have been WILL get a response worthy of locking/deleting this thread.
I just want a how to guide.... if you don't have one.. fine, close the tab and read the next thread.
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3 hours ago, Omegamatrix said:
Hangman has been bugfixed, and no longer hangs.
Isn't Hangman SUPPOSED to hang! ?
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The Atari 2600 Good, Bad and Ugly
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On the bottom left, 7 titles up.
TENNIS BOXING.
I know it's a multicart, but if it wasn't.
Some sport that incorporates both... that would make for some interesting doubles games, especially between the two closest to the net. Kinda like an 'Arch Rivals' version of Tennis
I love both Tennis and Boxing, so that caught my eye!!!