Atari v Commodore

[Atari v Commodore]

I know you have some emotional bias toward bounding boxes t

 

 

 

Oh no, Wolfram is frequenting 4chan now, all hope is gone for sure. Next he'll discover 'rickrolling', beware.

[My Xonox collection so far]

I finally managed to get a PAL Artillery Duel/ Super Kung Fu, boxed w Instr. for Euro 10.

This completes my European collection.

 

Now what's with the numbering?

The double three original titles say 6210 on the box, all three, but on the cart they have the 'proper' numbering, eg 6210, 6220, 6230.

The Super Kung Fu/Robin Hood has 6250 on the box, but no numbering on the cart itself.

Are there any more European variations?

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5 pounds says this thread gets locked within 100 posts of my one (unless some peeps behave)

 

I personally want this thread to keep going. Am I wrong, or is this the longest thread on this forum now?

 

 

When it hits 200 pages, all participants get a free set of steak knives!

 

As long as Wolfram is around repeatedly changing subjects, it should keep going for some time... but it's not as good as it was before with more facts and less flame wars by people who just have to say something against Atari regardless of the truth.

 

atariksi (and Atari 8-bit) is still winning with bulletproof arguments.

Barnacle boy is obsessed with farts and shit, and showing no proof of C64 winning over A8.

Wolfram and Frohn are German, so their side of the argument is like....I VILL WIN THIS WAR, no matter what, even if I have to change my tactics.

 

So all in all atariksi is holding up the best, and knows what he is talking about regarding both machines, whilst the others do not.

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I always enjoyed this advert from USA magazine Electronic Games:

[Popeye label variation]

Like this?

[Popeye label variation]

Here is one:

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Actually, the 6502 was sold/marketed before commodore bought MOS

 

CBM bought MOS so as to not relying on an external supply of semiconductors, like ATARI did

 

And as I recall MOS got the big break when ATARI chose them to supply the processor for the VCS

 

 

Yes, agree, but i think when Atari sign the deal with MOS it was already owned by Commodore and called CSG (Commodore Semi Conductor Group). Commodore bought MOS in 1976.

 

The VCS has been released in 78 (?) . and the A400/800 in 79. 2 and 3 year after the aquisition.

 

 

As a matter of fact, MOS was founded to supply chips for TI calculator AND ATARI PONG, so as usual C64ers got it WRONG (nothing new here). You could say there's EVEN MORE ATARI IN EVERY Commodore.

Commodore picked up on this and purchased MOS chips as well for Commodore calculators. Commodore bought MOS after it went bust.

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Basically Wolfram signed on here to claim C64 superiority which, as a matter of fact, didn’t happen. He showed us some ZX Spectrum type pictures on the C64, enjoys the ZX Spectrum over the Atari XL, and couldn’t show us anything on C64 which would not be possible on Atari XL.

I think he’s also a bit jealous of ZX Spectrum as that computer outsold the C64 5 – 1 in the UK, and he is clearly a ‘most software = most quality’ believer. The ZX Spectrum had a larger software range in the UK, so he’ll enjoy ‘tape loading’ during the 80s, when ‘real’ computers all had fdds, and his believe must be that the ZX Spectrum has the best games, even beating the C64. Yes, the Spectrum has more software than C64, so it must be good, according to the gospel of Wolfram. Next thing he’ll claim the ZX Spectrum sound beats pokey.

Remember Oswald; ‘any other platform but Atari freak’, later this deluded person was going to claim that the Fairchild was technically better than VCS and had better games. I reckon, Wolfram = Oswald. What a loser.

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you should realise, that such statements tells a millions words about you, but nothing about the c64 guys.

 

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sorry, I dont really get whats your problem. I have said it uses 16 shades made out of 4 colors&dithering, which in fact it does. nothing else of anything what you imply above. can you accept basic facts?

 

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okay. show it in the code or show it in the screenshots: which pixels are repeated. you'd better just act like you havent ever stated this one.

 

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indeed. it is the same as your a8 example. no curved faces, no real light source. now what is your problem with that?

 

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dont change the subject. you have said this is something a c64 cant even get come close to. the fact is it can. it shows a more detailed tunel, and much bigger objects. one of them has infact plasma instead of gouraud on its sides.

 

 

You know what? I stop acting on Wolfram's ignorant trolling.

 

It's unbelievable, how infantile he is acting here. Argue turning, wrong thinking, faulty knowledge ...

Not worthy to write one other word here...

 

Okay - agree with this. No more feeding as of this moment.

 

 

He did, didn't he. He just signed on here to show off and failed miserably. The last straw was the PWTP slogan, he thought it was an Inc. slogan when in fact it was a Corp slogan devised by JT. And then when he realises he's got it wrong again, he screams 'success'. Wolfram is a trolling loser indeed.

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C64 fanboys are so desperate they have to bring Vic20, the second most horroble computer on the planet, into the comparison? Losers.

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3) somehow I doubt poland had more a8's than c64's. The poland c64 scene was huge in the 90s. I bet they produced more c64 demos at that period than all a8 demos put together.

 

 

Wolfram doubts everything where C64 obviously had less success in some countries. He is probably believing that the C64 outsold the Spectrum in the UK. What a dreamer, keep smoking those Pall Malls.

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I like it, Wolfram just created an account to be proven wrong over and over again. He'll end up like Frohn, TMR, Bryan. Why do these C64'er just can't accept the A8 being superior, already three years before?

 

Oh, and more sales create the better computer? How does that work then? Explain. It's like saying Baywatch is the BEST TV show ever, because it was the most watched program on planet Earth.

 

Clearly for C64 the rule is: Quantity = Quality. Yeah right, carry on smoking.

 

thousands of superior games on c64 proove quantity and both quality being better there. You can just close your eyes and say its not true. Nobody can stop you from doing that.

 

 

Yes of course, you are right. 1000s of quality C64 games. I am closing my eyes, I can see them now, 1000s, no millions in fact. I'm floating, I am smoking what you are smoking, this is some good shit indeed.

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I like it, Wolfram just created an account to be proven wrong over and over again. He'll end up like Frohn, TMR, Bryan. Why do these C64'er just can't accept the A8 being superior, already three years before?

 

Oh, and more sales create the better computer? How does that work then? Explain. It's like saying Baywatch is the BEST TV show ever, because it was the most watched program on planet Earth.

 

Clearly for C64 the rule is: Quantity = Quality. Yeah right, carry on smoking.

[Amazing how much a minority Atari 2600 fans are at Digitpress]

Digital Press is GOD.

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TMR boasts being a hotshot on some average forum, and owning the whole library of Retro Gamer, but does he even read them? Doubt it, not even knowing about the David Crane interview.

So basically TMR has nothing to say.

 

Some geek was mentioning tape loading on Atari XL being 1 hour. so what! Most Atari XL users used fdds for god's sake. UK'ers were tape freaks due to the Spectrum being the kaiser of computers there. C64 guys couldn't afford fdds in UK (ask Mayham, he wrote about it in Retro Gamer). A computer being run loading games from tape is nothing to boast about.

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That depends on what "it" is, doesn't it. i'd call it ignorance to accuse the fanboys of being wrong when there's no evidence available to the contrary, so since you're accusing me personally of ignorance here, rather than a nebulous "it" what specifically have i stated that can't be backed up?

 

 

Exactly, YOU cannot back it up that it CAN'T be done on the Atari XL, so you just answered your own nebulous 'it'.

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David Crane answered 'I just did it'. (Now don't quote me on the 12 pixel thing, maybe it was just 10 pixels or such. Mainly he did something where others said it is not possible on the VCS but he did it anyway).

 

That story could probably do with a little work, it tails off a bit at the end... the "don't quote me" bit makes it look rather weak, in fact.

 

 

That 'don't quote me on that' came from me, not David Crane.

 

As a matter of fact, that story doesn't need ANY work, as it was a David Crane interview in Retro Gamer, a UK magazine dedicated to old gaming. I suggest you try a newsagent in UK and buy it, it is a very good read indeed. Also, try the Atari XL article in the magazine (Well, you gotta find the relevant issues for yourself if you can manage that).

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Oops sorry, I didn't mean 'emkay'

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That is what I mentioned before, maybe TMR, Emkay and Frohn and such C64 fanboys are not capable of understanding: When David Crane programmed Dragster with a 12 pixel wide dragster car, the other Atari VCS guys said '12 pixels wide? It cannot be done on the VCS'.

David Crane answered 'I just did it'. (Now don't quote me on the 12 pixel thing, maybe it was just 10 pixels or such. Mainly he did something where others said it is not possible on the VCS but he did it anyway).

To say it cannot be done, is just pure ignorance of the C64 fanboys.

 

And I think The Tail of Beta Lyrae is an excellent side-scroller on Atari XL anyway.

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He's funny this Fröhn guy.....You missed the point....then he MUST say: no YOU missed the point. He's like I'm ALWAYS right, and you are not. Very funny reading indeed, I enjoy his anecdotes immensely.

That's because most people here don't know shit.

 

 

Basically you are accusing people here of having no knowledge, and you are the king of knowledge, Mr. Know-it-all. You see the problem I am having with this sentence?

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I think you missed my point. What's is the overall goal of those multiple DACs on the Amiga and Atari? Music.

No you missed the point. While the Amiga easily can play 4 different samples at different DAC feeding frequencies at the same time, the A8 can't because it doesn't have the processing power to do so. The A8 could aswell have one single 6 bit DAC, the output quality of MOD players would be the same.

 

 

He's funny this Fröhn guy.....You missed the point....then he MUST say: no YOU missed the point. He's like I'm ALWAYS right, and you are not. Very funny reading indeed, I enjoy his anecdotes immensely.

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Crack me up these comparisons all the time and the C64 vs Atari XL. The C64 fans saying that things can be done on the C64 they cannot be done on Atari XL. Those people are just unknowledgable.

 

As David Crane (famous Atari VCS programmer) stated: "We invented, we done things on VCS where even the Atari guys says this would not be possible. But I did it."

 

So anything is possible, given time.

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Fröhn's a funny guy, defending, only for in the next post his stack of cards come tumbling down again, I admire his spirit.

[The most complicated VCS game?]

Is it Space Shuttle? It uses the whole console, and really takes a lot of thinking, are there any more complicated VCS games?

Or which is the most complicated?

[Best home version of Donkey Kong?]

Surely most people only ever played 2 or 3 versions? How many people here played the Spectrum version, or the Intellivision version, for example.

 

My favorite is the Game Boy version, the Game Boy was the best selling Nintendo console in France, everyone had one. The Game Boy version of Donkey Kong has everything, and goes even further. And plays even better on Super Game Boy.