frenchman

I know, but if the C64 users are something like Rocky, you know, you bound to get slightly worried.

That's all well and good, it's just a shame the 64 is the worlds best selling computer, ever Another sign of cruelty Shame on you andym00 The Spectrum is the UKs best selling computer, A BIG SIGN OF CRUELTY, I KNOW True, BUT, best selling is by no means 'better product'. Pete A person who speaks sense. Sales don't really mean anything and I'd never take sales as a pointer to if I should buy something or not. Speccy outselling C64 in UK means nothing, Atari outselling C64 in US (did it? not sure I just read that here somewhere but have no facts but I'll presume that's right) means nothing. Instead I'd look at which machine would do the things I wanted, which had the better games and that would (for me) always be C64. Pete Exactly, C64er are in the same league as Spectrum users, who openly say (on WoS for example), the Speccy had the better games AND you could do more with the machine. No, Atari never outsold C64 in the USA, when the C64 was released, A8 sales were already drying up.

To quote WoTR: I think that sums it up perfectly :D :D Rocky wasn't one of them then?

That's all well and good, it's just a shame the 64 is the worlds best selling computer, ever Another sign of cruelty Shame on you andym00 The Spectrum is the UKs best selling computer, A BIG SIGN OF CRUELTY, I KNOW True, BUT, best selling is by no means 'better product'. Pete Funny, we have a chit-chat about Speccy and C64, but how well Atari was being sold at that time. ROTFL :D The Atari sold NOT well in UK, man can't you get even that right?

That's all well and good, it's just a shame the 64 is the worlds best selling computer, ever Another sign of cruelty Shame on you andym00 The Spectrum is the UKs best selling computer, A BIG SIGN OF CRUELTY, I KNOW True, BUT, best selling is by no means 'better product'. Pete A person who speaks sense.

Games might have come out mostly on tape, but I think that was mostly the due to all the other platforms being on tape as well.. For the record, back in the day I didn't know anyone without a 1541.. And most of the American arse that arrived back then on disk was hardly worth subjecting your 64 to.. Apart from, Transformers with its full side of (barely understandable) digitised speech and slide show introduction.. I listened to that loads, mostly to try and figure out the hell it was saying And other arse like Hot Wheels and stuff.. The only good thing to come out of the US market was Racing Destruction Set.. Now that was cool On the other hand, of all the Atari guys I knew back then, not a single one had a disk drive Wow, I posted this earlier so STe86 was proven wrong (he said no good USA games after 85 on C64): Origin games like Knights of Legend (1989), Bad Blood (1991) Space Rogue (1989), Tangled Tales (1990), Times of Lore (1989), Ultima 6 (1991) etc.... EA: Arctic Fox (1986) The Bards Tale III (1988), Cave Man Ugh-lympics (1989), Budokan (1991), Dragon Wars (modem game )1989), Project Firestart (1989), Sentinel Worlds (1989), Skate or Die, Ski or Die, Starflight, etc.... SSI: any of the Gold boxes (all after 1987) Sir-Tech: Wizardy V (1988) Infocom: Zorkquest 1 and 2 (1988), Battletech (1989), Gamma Force (1988) and still many more of the best text adventure games after 1985. Access: leaderboard (1986), Mean Streets (1989), Echolon (1987) Accolade: they only started out in 1985, and had many of the best titles until 1990. Lucasfilm: Strike Fleet, Zack McKracken, Pipedream UK would never manage any of these titles. (And before you're running through the UK software library claiming the 1000s of better titles, these are just a few examples I have given above)

That's all well and good, it's just a shame the 64 is the worlds best selling computer, ever Another sign of cruelty Shame on you andym00 The Spectrum is the UKs best selling computer, A BIG SIGN OF CRUELTY, I KNOW Must have been so degrading to C64 users, losing against THAT?

That's all well and good, it's just a shame the 64 is the worlds best selling computer, ever True, BUT, best selling is by no means 'better product'.

And to follow this direction.... I would have bought A C64 ... If it had a 2MHz CPU If it had a good colour palette If it had a better Keyboard If the floppy worked at a better speed from scratch The C64 would have been a good machine, but it was a cheap machine. .... Well, C64 turned out to be a better computer, simple as that. You know, history never lies By the way, wasn't Atari 800XL cheaper than C64 BTW, wasn't the Spectrum cheaper than the C64 Yup, maybe something to do with it outselling the commie I had both, sold the speccy. I would've liked an A8 at the time if only for the sake of it, but it seemed pointless, and that's not just a snipe. A friend had one and he always wanted a C64 instead because he had no decent games. Pete Spectum was cheaper already upon release, not because it outsold the C64 in the UK by 3 -1 (propably more). See again, that is the UKs trouble, did your UK A8 owning friend never played any titles from SSI, Microprose, Origin, EA, Synapse, Infocom, even Atari or Activision? And many more US companies. 1000s of excellent games on A8 from the USA, but no one knew about them. Same with C64, I mean ZZAP! even reviewed US games in every issue (Yes, I do own the complete run), but did UK people buy those? No, just cheap games for 1.99, or 9.99. Also Epyx Games series, IM, maybe some Activision titles i f they went cheap, that was it really. Some people in the UK even purchased Maniac Mansion, IF they had a fdd, but less people bought Zak McKracken, most never even heard of PHM Pegasus or Strike Fleet (both Lucasfilm).

And to follow this direction.... I would have bought A C64 ... If it had a 2MHz CPU If it had a good colour palette If it had a better Keyboard If the floppy worked at a better speed from scratch The C64 would have been a good machine, but it was a cheap machine. .... Well, C64 turned out to be a better computer, simple as that. You know, history never lies By the way, wasn't Atari 800XL cheaper than C64 What's the use of having bigger palette of colours if you cannot us them in games. Scroll up, please, I've been showing many examples of that. There are 10 so far, but much more will be coming So you won't die of boredom then? Maybe there's still hope with your hysterical laughter.

And to follow this direction.... If the floppy worked at a better speed from scratch .... You know, UKers didn't even own a C64 fdd, all games came on tape. Activision even had to release Little Computer People on tape, with over half of the options missing. How sad is that?

And to follow this direction.... I would have bought A C64 ... If it had a 2MHz CPU If it had a good colour palette If it had a better Keyboard If the floppy worked at a better speed from scratch The C64 would have been a good machine, but it was a cheap machine. .... Well, C64 turned out to be a better computer, simple as that. You know, history never lies By the way, wasn't Atari 800XL cheaper than C64 BTW, wasn't the Spectrum cheaper than the C64

Those pictures have been taken from the C64 version of Test Drive in the first place, so why convert them back again? Hey Lazarus don't be so cruel on atarians You mean don't be so cruel on the C64ers'. Here's the Test Drive screenshot, talken from the C64 god site Lemon64 (wonder why it's called Lemon, poor choice of name, if you ask me. But the the C64 was more lemon than peach). Can't you get anything right? Test Drive is still an excellent game on C64 though, as it was written by a US company, called Accolade, in case you UK guys don't know. And here's one C64 screenshot just for you, Rocky: BTW, aren't you dead yet?

Respect! But Rockford falls into this trap so easy....I could string him along for pages and pages. (Wish I was 30 though, you lucky guys (and girls)). In general, some of Atarians here are unbelievably "smart" (so far we have 2) Thanks for the compliment, that's already two more than there are 'smart' C64 users. BTW, aren't you dead yet?

Respect! But Rockford falls into this trap so easy....I could string him along for pages and pages. (Wish I was 30 though, you lucky guys (and girls)).

They did, didn't they. Glad I'm not French. Mind you, they do have the best looking women in the world.

>The ATARI version could have been "lightyears" better than the C64 version.< Of course it could, but you try to convince these Commodore women, they all laugh hysterically and get their knickers in a twist.

Funny, at the same time you constantly show us Amaurote as a proof of ATARI power. Let's see who made this game and when..... : TA-DA.... Brits in 1987 You are too funny :D Wow, Amaurote was made in 87 and it looks like crap on C64: Those UK programmers REALLY suck, even on C64 in 1987. Those smilies choking you again, I reckon. Why do your supposedly clever answers always backfire, I wonder? BTW, aren't you dead yet? WOW, what a striking logic. If this game and UK programmers sucked EVEN on C64 in 1987 (your own words) it means that they sucked on ATARI too. Could it really be, that the last resort of all Atarians, this beautiful, "real iso 3d" pearl (also made by those "incapable Brits" in 1987), turned out to be a crappy game .... horror.... Stop it mate, please, or I'll die laughing Could it really be a crappy game...according to frenchman, absolutely YES That's British programmers for you, they suck when compared to USA programmers on any platform. Not a laughing matter actually, but goes to show how shallow UK C64 users are. And they laugh about it hysterically for no apparent reason. Even more so when they, like Rockford all the time, get it wrong. BTW, you said you can't post here so often as you have better things to do. Another lie? Oh, now you promised to die of laughter AND (previous) of boredom. Any chance of this happen soon PLEASE?

And The Tail of Beta Lyrae, best shooting scroller with best music and Fort Apocalypse and Zeppelin Come on guys, I don't have to tell you every A8 scroller shooter, or what?

Funny, at the same time you constantly show us Amaurote as a proof of ATARI power. Let's see who made this game and when..... : TA-DA.... Brits in 1987 You are too funny :D Wow, Amaurote was made in 87 and it looks like crap on C64: Those UK programmers REALLY suck, even on C64 in 1987. Those smilies choking you again, I reckon. Why do your supposedly clever answers always backfire, I wonder? BTW, aren't you dead yet?

I'm very sure you will somewhere

Wow, that's pretty bad - but it would be almost impossible to duplicate exactly on the A8 - the sprites are 320 pixel res, and the scrolling as well. ROTFL Another splendid example from frenchman. He slowly specializes himself in showing weak sides of ATARI. We want some more Well it's a C64 game, I own it and it plays horrible, I (almost) have to agree with you, another fine example of showing the weak sides of the C64. All your laughing smilies keep backfiring on you, please choke... Here's another just for you: You are welcome. BTW, aren't you dead yet?

Of course the Brits would not agree, most of them never even managed to purchase a FDD. Origin games like Knights of Legend (1989), Bad Blood (1991) Space Rogue (1989), Tangled Tales (1990), Times of Lore (1989), Ultima 6 (1991) etc.... EA: Arctic Fox (1986) The Bards Tale III (1988), Cave Man Ugh-lympics (1989), Budokan (1991), Dragon Wars (modem game )1989), Project Firestart (1989), Sentinel Worlds (1989) etc.... SSI: any of the Gold boxes (all after 1987) Sir-Tech: Wizardy V (1988) Infocom: Zorkquest 1 and 2 (1988), Battletech (1989), Gamma Force (1988) and still many more of the best text adventure games after 1985. Access: leaderboard (1986), Mean Streets (1989), Echolon (1987) Accolade: they only started out in 1985, and had many of the best titles until 1990. UK would never manage any of these titles. (And before you're running through the UK software library claiming the 1000s of better titles, these are just a few examples I have given above) USA way ahead of the Europeans even after 1985. Sorry, UK, no win, personally I think UK programmers suck more. BTW, C64 user since 1986 here, currently owner of approx 900 C64 titles (Bit late start I know, but collecting for 3 systems in mid 80s was not an easy task). Thanks: I KNOW I AM PRICELESS (and CUTE), and for your information STE'86, none of the stuff above is written in BASIC, but then, you wouldn't know that.

Aren't you dead yet? It is already established that in the UK the Spectrum and C64 were the top two 8-bit computers. Spectrum was the number one, trailing way behind was the C64 at number two. All other computers were thought of as 'not commercial interesting enough', CPC maybe a bit more so. Atarians in the UK were lucky to even get a A8 converion of any UK-made C64 game, or any other UK-made game actually. Most UK programmers could NOT program the A8 properly, only because they couldn't be bothered (Matthew Smith: no money was to be made with the A8, although it is the best of the 8-bit computers). On the other hand the best C64 games also came from USA, on fdd, not UK. I mean ever played any good games from CRL besides Tau Ceti? Or Elite, Grandslam, Beyond Software, Domark, Ocean, Martech, here's a C64 Martech classic, Nemesis the Warlock, most awful looking sprites, terrible game play: Even the people who knew how to program the C64 got it wrong very often, here's the UK arm of Activision: Galactic Games (1987), basically a piece of shit, just like Rampage on A8: but they did more stinkers on C64: Enduro Racer, Afterburner, Dragon Breed, Galaxy Force II, Knightmare, Ghostbusters 2, Ninja Spirit, Quartet, The Real Ghostbusters, and the David Crane classic on C64: Transformers, to name a few.

Parodius series and then there was of course