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WTF are you talking about? Firstly you claimed to have over 100,000 SIDs to which I pointed out there are only just over 38 thousand in the whole HVSC, the most comprehensive (apart from a few hundred I think they won't include) collection available, So, lies, 100,000. What is there to admit there apart from you massively over exaggerated the number of tunes you could possibly have listened to? *Edit* Just noticed another lie of yours, 20%, I really don't think that's the number I used, more exaggeration.

Where the hell do you read this stuff? That's NOTHING like what was said. You said To which I replied, then you said Unless there's something somewhere I'm missing and don't remember posting NOWHERE do I say "SID can produce any sound". Find where I say EXACTLY that or you're lying AGAIN. From those quotes YOU proclaim no chip can do all sounds and now somehow without actually saying so I've said you're wrong and that SID can?!

I think they can also. If YOU choose to read "POKEY has 4 channels, SID has 3, to get greater accuracy you need to combine them to get 16 bit channels" as 3 is more than 4 then either you're worse at maths than you seem to think Americans are OR you're trolling. If you take it out of context (as you obviously wish to do) and just read the "you really only have 2 channels" with a smiley wink, as being my entire stance on the matter then you're purposefully ignoring the rest of the post and taking something out of context to use as an attack. *edit* Most of the above Always link to the posting that you quote, is one thing i have learned trough the years as a member in different forums. When i said that Pokey had 4 channels and Sid 3, i meant physical channels, no matter what bit. But i also said that in my posting. Please stop pissing about. You posted your big list of I'm so clever and condescending, here is what I've learned so far, in that list you put "SID has more channels because they're 16 bit". I asked you to show where someone said EXACTLY that because ONLY saying EXACTLY that would mean that was what they thought to be fact. You've failed to do so, linked to a post where it doesn't say that, if you've missunderstood it to mean that, your fault not mine. If you read further posts I go on to point out that there are ways you don't need to have 16 bit accuracy as some of the notes are in tune anyway, you ignore all that too. Now I've shown you're talking out your arse again it's reverted to YOU (as in DimensionX) said, not someone else said SID had more. Troll.

I think they can also. If YOU choose to read "POKEY has 4 channels, SID has 3, to get greater accuracy you need to combine them to get 16 bit channels" as 3 is more than 4 then either you're worse at maths than you seem to think Americans are OR you're trolling. If you take it out of context (as you obviously wish to do) and just read the "you really only have 2 channels" with a smiley wink, as being my entire stance on the matter then you're purposefully ignoring the rest of the post and taking something out of context to use as an attack. *edit* Most of the above

You've even just quoted the VERY important part of his reply. If you don't understand it, get out of the thread, DO NOT accuse people of lying or being wrong. Pete says... >> on POKEY you have to combine 2 channels to form one 16 bit one, therefore to get 16 bit accurate (ie, in tune, something quite important with music) notes you really only have 2 channels << http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/142211-commodore-64-vs-atari-800-xl/page__view__findpost__p__1997596 I linked to TMR's posting. You can read the whole posting. And A8's processor is NOT about 75% faster. And i link to your posting as well. Well, i'm outta here anyway, because you can't be wrong. I asked you to post where someone had said EXACTLY what you said they had, once again you post things that DO NOT say that and because you choose to misunderstand the explanation (that I and others have wasted our time trying to explain to you) you try to use it as proof that in fact it's you that knows the answers to everything. It's nothing more than trolling still. I link to the posting. Then everyone can read the whole posting plus the other that belongs to it. Yes and if they have any technical knowledge at all (everyone here apart from you obviously) they'll say that what I say is 100% true and that nowhere does it say SID has more channels but in fact does say POKEY has 4 SID has 3. The fact that you'll use your troll tactic of purposefully misunderstanding what has been said in a technical discussion just so you can try to gain the high ground means nothing to anyone apart from yourself.

You've even just quoted the VERY important part of his reply. If you don't understand it, get out of the thread, DO NOT accuse people of lying or being wrong. Pete says... >> on POKEY you have to combine 2 channels to form one 16 bit one, therefore to get 16 bit accurate (ie, in tune, something quite important with music) notes you really only have 2 channels << http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/142211-commodore-64-vs-atari-800-xl/page__view__findpost__p__1997596 I linked to TMR's posting. You can read the whole posting. And A8's processor is NOT about 75% faster. And i link to your posting as well. Well, i'm outta here anyway, because you can't be wrong. I asked you to post where someone had said EXACTLY what you said they had (SID has more channels because they're 16 bit), once again you post things that DO NOT say that and because you choose to misunderstand the explanation (that I and others have wasted our time trying to explain to you) you try to use it as proof that in fact it's you that knows the answers to everything. It's nothing more than trolling still.

You've even just quoted the VERY important part of his reply. If you don't understand it, get out of the thread, DO NOT accuse people of lying or being wrong.

Talking to yourself as well now then? Ok, let's try another one from your list.. "SID has more channels because they're 16bit" As with the MHZ please show us where someone said EXACTLY that.

Did TMR say "no it isn't", or did he say, "no it isn't, because..", there's a massive difference when you're basically accusing people of lying. If it's the latter then you've got no basis to do so and are just trying to cause an argument (as you obviously were with the rest of the crap you posted it in the middle of). Yes, he said it wasn't because...etc etc Then i told him that the Mhz will always be the same anyway, and the fact is that A8 has an almost twice as fast CPU because it's faster clocked. So nobody actually JUST said what you claim they did, they qualified it with DMA etc etc. So why do you post that in a ridiculous list of "what I've learned in this thread" as if all the things listed are lies or otherwise somehow false. Still, the Mhz is the same. THAT is not the issue and you KNOW it, I've posted what I have issue with about 20 times so far and you REFUSE to acknowledge it. You're hiding from the truth and it's making you look more of an ass.

Did TMR say "no it isn't", or did he say, "no it isn't, because..", there's a massive difference when you're basically accusing people of lying. If it's the latter then you've got no basis to do so and are just trying to cause an argument (as you obviously were with the rest of the crap you posted it in the middle of). Yes, he said it wasn't because...etc etc Then i told him that the Mhz will always be the same anyway, and the fact is that A8 has an almost twice as fast CPU because it's faster clocked. So nobody actually JUST said what you claim they did, they qualified it with DMA etc etc. So why do you post that in a ridiculous list of "what I've learned in this thread" as if all the things listed are lies or otherwise somehow false. *edit* If you're going to make posts like the one you did full of misquoted, out of context, never actually said stuff, like I did to you then it doesn't matter what you do to back out of it you're morally wrong and I think you know that.

Did TMR say "no it isn't", or did he say, "no it isn't, because..", there's a massive difference when you're basically accusing people of lying. If it's the latter then you've got no basis to do so and are just trying to cause an argument (as you obviously were with the rest of the crap you posted it in the middle of).

No, can you at least read my last 10 postings. YOU posted a big list of a load of made up crap that you said "I've learned in this thread", amongst which was your claim that someone had JUST said the cpu wasn't as fast as 1.78/0.98. You got called out on it because you were using it as an attack against everyone else here by taking it totally out of context.

Not if you have cycle stealing DMA in operation. What's the point? You don't even know what DMA is because you are NOT A PROGRAMMER arguing with PROGRAMMERS in the PROGRAMMERS FORUM. It's still the same processor no matter what programming or support chips. C64 PAL - 0.985 MHz Atari PAL - 1.78 Mhz And the fact is that 1.78 Mhz is almost twice as fast. But that's not in debate here, what is is the fact you tried to say someone said that offhand as if 2 divided by 1 doesn't equal 2. If you can point to the post where someone said that I will personally call them an ass but even then, as I say, you're in an A8 coding thread, where EVERYONE apart from YOU knows that the CPU Mhz != the CPU cycles available.

Not if you have cycle stealing DMA in operation. What's the point? You don't even know what DMA is because you are NOT A PROGRAMMER arguing with PROGRAMMERS in the PROGRAMMERS FORUM. Of course he does, Direct memory access (DMA) is a feature of modern computers and microprocessors that allows certain hardware subsystems within the computer to access system memory for reading and/or writing independently of the central processing unit. [/endwikipediaquote] oops, forgot to delete that last endquote!!

Firstly, NO, we CAN'T forget programming. Secondly, I just gave you those numbers in about 3 different posts. It's not like I don't know what they are. YOU have the problem that you don't understand what's going on with the rest of the machine. And if you want to play "top trumps" with numbers you can't have it your own way all the time, eg, 8bit sound channels vs 16 bit ones. All you're doing now is picking the 1 fact that nobody has EVER denied and saying "that's all I was talking about" when it blatantly wasn't. You were accusing someone else of baselessly saying one isn't almost double the other.

And did anyone actually say that? Flat out 1.77/8 isn't nearly 2x 0.98? OR, did they say something about DMA etc? The fact is you're in a programming thread (in case that didn't sink in yet) and WE all know the score with this stuff, some of the A8 guys (I'm not QUITE there yet) could off the top of their heads tell you EXACTLY how many cycles are free for the CPU on each scanline of each mode depending on DMA modes for PMGs etc. Just because you don't understand is no need to think everyone else is lying and then try to get out of it by saying the "processor itself" because that would mean someone (an American no doubt) cant divide 1.78 by 1. *edit* for the "and that was my point" addition... ..because it WASN'T your POINT was it? You just stuck it in the middle of a load of stuff you'd made up from words from other people's posts saying none of the coders here know what they're talking about because they said....."your list"

Dear God, don't try to explain it to him, next thing you know he'll extract "0 MHz" from your post and claim somewhere down the line that someone said the A8 CPU doesn't actually run!

LMAO, more ignorance. The fact that YOU don't understand the workings of the 2 machines and DMA etc doesn't mean it's not true. I don't think anyone has said what you claim they have without qualifying it with at least a basic explanation.

It certainly is. You seem to read the whole thread, pick out a load of stuff, re-word it, purposefully misunderstand it, post it as if it's what people have said and then act superior to everyone else.

Still showing your ignorance here as firstly the "crap" part of what you posted above is what YOU made from a bunch of FACTS other people posted. Some of the ones you posted are actually correct, things like "SID has more channels because they're 16 bit" was NEVER said by ANYONE. Therefore you are a liar once again. Let's see how you like it.. DimensionX, Angry synaesthetic who thinks all Americans are dumb and can't count, thinks atari 800 is better than EVERY other computer, will quite happily threaten other forum members for perceived slights and promise retaliation. Anything dithered is ugly UNLESS it's on the A8. Anything without a rainbow is ugly. Pokey has 5 channels because you can combine 2 to make a bass and still have 3 left. Shall I go on? Then you call me a liar? I think it speaks for itself. To all readers. Just read the thread to see who's lying and who's not. LMAO don't you get it? I've posted a load of things taken out of context or things that you say were misunderstandings and turned it into a post making you look like the worlds biggest ass. which is EXACTLY what you did. If you want to see who is the liar just go back to an earlier post of mine that you conveniently avoided replying to where I posted 2 quotes from you. One where you STATE you think the A8 is a BETTER computer than the C64 after a whole night of attacking me (the other quote) for saying I PREFER the C64 whilst you were high and mighty proclaiming you didn't think one was better than the other. THAT is lying.

Still showing your ignorance here as firstly the "crap" part of what you posted above is what YOU made from a bunch of FACTS other people posted. Some of the ones you posted are actually correct, things like "SID has more channels because they're 16 bit" was NEVER said by ANYONE. Therefore you are a liar once again. Let's see how you like it.. DimensionX, Angry synaesthetic who thinks all Americans are dumb and can't count, thinks atari 800 is better than EVERY other computer, will quite happily threaten other forum members for perceived slights and promise retaliation. Anything dithered is ugly UNLESS it's on the A8. Anything without a rainbow is ugly. Pokey has 5 channels because you can combine 2 to make a bass and still have 3 left. Shall I go on?

It's nothing but trolling now.

That just goes to prove that throughout this whole thread you have had ZERO interest in what anyone else has to say. You've posted a list there of things that YOU have made up to take the piss out of actual facts because those facts counteract your baseless claims.

Just to clarify, this isn't what you were doing DimensionX... Come on, it it wasn't for him you wouldn't have written the Sodding Rainbows graphics pre-processor. That implies that i actually coded it... and it's Sodding Rainbow (singular) okay?! You know you have, even if only in your head