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  1. Posted · Edited by TwiliteZoner

    The Mac Plus can run up to system 7.5.5, albeit extremely slowly. Can an ST with Spectre GCR run any version of System 7 or is it limited to System 6 or below?

     

    To my knowledge the max os was 6.08. I think Gadgets By Small was close to getting 7 working proper but I have never heard of anyone running 7.x anything via Spectre. Would have been cool though.

     

    tj

     

    That was my understanding as well. Although if you check the thread I linked to above Dave mentions that the initial release of 7.0 gave him fits due to a bug. He goes on to say that Apple did patch it and potentially it might work with GCR. I think I am going to try this at some point. I think system 6 is actually more compatible with the early games than 7.x anyway.

     

    Here are the comments from Dave.

     

     

    System 7.0 had a bug early on in the boot process that took a horrific amount of work to find. I believe it ended up being a Nil pointer *read* that returned a pointer to a data structure, well, it returned the Atari ROM startup addresses. That then plopped corrupted data all over everything. It was a subtle bug way in the middle of nowhere that caused a chain reaction crash. (The zero reads were a major pain for us because, well, they never triggered a bus error, and thus they were not fun to find and fix). MultiFinder was unstable because it was doing that. The only reason we really found it was the ZAX In-Circuit-Emulator. (This is also the only reason I found an interesting thing in 68K chips ... multiply and divide fail unless the stack is pointing at valid RAM. It uses RAM for a scratchpad!).

     

    I think I had to set up a multiple event trigger ... some line-A trap after this and that ... and then trace into some machine with a huge disk (probably a whopping 20 megs back then), then read to the end and find the disaster. It was really un-fun. I patched it by hand (what fun!) and let the machine run, but it crashed further in. If you remember your Mac history, the first release of 7.0 was not exactly a thrill.

     

    And the tragedy, I think, is the system update fixed the zero-store and zero-read. I never tried it personally but was told the patch issued to the initial release of System 7 fixed it. I don't know myself for sure.

  6. Posted · Edited by TwiliteZoner

    Hey Jens - I think it would help my cause if I got a Mac running under emulation to test some stuff.

     

    It appears there isnt alot of love for the old Mac Classic or 68000 versions. I dont think System 7.5.x runs on these systems (I have 6.1 or 6.4 of the Finder).

     

    I basically have a 16mhz 68000 Mac with 1.5 megs of RAM.

     

    Ill see about getting a newer version of StuffIt - not sure if they still want me to license it :)

     

    I dont have a real Macintosh - just my ST emulation. Its alot of fun playing with an 'old Mac' though - you forgot how simple things used to be!

     

     

    System 7.5.x is supported on a real Mac Plus.

     

    IIRC, there was an incompatibility with Spectre and System 7. The last Mac system I used with my Spectre GCR was System 6.0.8 with Multifinder.

     

    Here is a message from Dave Small from a thread a couple of years ago regarding System 7.

     

     

    System 7.0 had a bug early on in the boot process that took a horrific amount of work to find. I believe it ended up being a Nil pointer *read* that returned a pointer to a data structure, well, it returned the Atari ROM startup addresses. That then plopped corrupted data all over everything. It was a subtle bug way in the middle of nowhere that caused a chain reaction crash. (The zero reads were a major pain for us because, well, they never triggered a bus error, and thus they were not fun to find and fix). MultiFinder was unstable because it was doing that. The only reason we really found it was the ZAX In-Circuit-Emulator. (This is also the only reason I found an interesting thing in 68K chips ... multiply and divide fail unless the stack is pointing at valid RAM. It uses RAM for a scratchpad!).

     

    I think I had to set up a multiple event trigger ... some line-A trap after this and that ... and then trace into some machine with a huge disk (probably a whopping 20 megs back then), then read to the end and find the disaster. It was really un-fun. I patched it by hand (what fun!) and let the machine run, but it crashed further in. If you remember your Mac history, the first release of 7.0 was not exactly a thrill.

     

    And the tragedy, I think, is the system update fixed the zero-store and zero-read. I never tried it personally but was told the patch issued to the initial release of System 7 fixed it. I don't know myself for sure.

  7. Posted

    Not sure if I have anything to contribute, but I'd be interested in reading it. I miss having a regular magazine. Would really love it to be print, but I know these days it's probably not cost effective.

     

    It looks like they are gonna do it in PDF, so if they do that, they could add a

    mag like cover and back page. Then those of us (I'm one) who prefer reading it

    in our hands, could print it out. :)

     

    It would be great to have a Commodore Free type magazine for the Atari community.

  8. Posted · Edited by TwiliteZoner

    Oh... are these developments from Atari themselves or has the brand found some prospective license sugardaddies? I know, it's probably mum until all the ink is struck and dried, but my little pico-watt brainbulb is aglow with hopeful confusion. :D

     

    Done. Can't wait to see where this is going. Good luck Curt.

     

    Stella

    Atari800Win+

    STeem

  10. Posted

    I am going through all my Atari stuff and notice that I have a lot of ST monitors and such. (I'm an 8-bit guy) Are any of these monitors useful to people? I also have a few systems if they would be of any interest.

     

    Otherwise, it's into the e-waste dumpster.

     

    I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have one ST Mono box and foam...

     

    Bob

     

    I would be interested.

  12. Posted

    BYTE Vol 08-05 1983-05 The Electronic Office - 596 Pages, 397 Megs

     

    This issue of BYTE has a focus on the electronic office. Topics include local area networks, the movable conference, electronic publishing, and white-collar productivity. These are in-depth articles on the then-present sate of the art and future predictions.

     

    There is another great article following four start-up companies in Silicon Valley: Adaptec, Evotek, The learning company, and Victory computers.

     

    In the BYTE lines: Commodore to drop its 16 bit processor and go to the Zilog Z8000? Integrated Software the Key to success (lots of talk about xerox and PARC)? Atari Founder to start Robotics Company? Japan to launch new software development effort....

     

    Not much for the Atari but articles on other 8-bits: Vic-20, TRS-80 Model 100, The TRS-80 Color Computer, the fortune 16:32, and the Corvus Computer.

     

    Much much more.. This one is choc full of information goodness :)

     

    Download it here: BYTE Vol 08-05 1983-05 The Electronic Office

     

    Cover

     

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    Index

     

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    Bonus!

     

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    First of all thanks for these. This one in particular is giving me issues. It stops at 318 megs.

  15. Posted · Edited by TwiliteZoner

    Wow. Amazing that they're even teaching such skills these days. I remember when it was young kids who were the computer whizzes, even knowing more than the teacher in a lot of cases. Of course, that time has long past. More people use a computer than ever, but few of them know a thing about it.

     

    Of course, growing up with DOS, it's kind of a humbling experience to go further back and do anything interesting with an Atari 8-bit.

     

    Its about par for the course. When I took a data processing class in the 80s they taught us on what was basically 50s and 60s era hardware.

     

    When I worked at IBM several of their internal systems are DOS like and it was beneficial to have that experience. Its never a bad thing to be CLI literate.

  16. Posted · Edited by TwiliteZoner

    You should be able to use it with xlink Kai (if the game has network play). but i think that is as online as your going to get with a PS2 anymore (same thing with the original xbox since live was shut off for it).

     

    it supports other consoles and handhelds

     

    http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=65171 this is just a tut to get GT online with xlink kai (should be the same for any network enabled game).

     

    there may be a few working titles (maybe some sports games) but don't quote me on that.

     

    But the above opens up the door for many that had network play but no online mode so you could play against others around the world.

     

    I know if you read the small print on some of the EA boxes it basically says that when the current season is over that online play might be pulled.

     

    I might try to go online with Madden 99 and see what happens. :roll:

  17. Posted

    You have to wonder what he got paid for those ads considering how cheap the Tramiel's were known to be.

     

    Good point, although it was after Star Trek was off the air for quite a while (Vic-20 released 1980?) and before T.J. Hooker (1982?)..

    So he was probably desperate.. :-)

     

    Hey, maybe it was the Vic-20 commercials that re-invogorated his career and is responsible for his getting T.J. Hooker..

    hmmmmm... ;-)

     

    desiv

     

    This had to be right before or during the Wrath of Khan era. I would love to hear the story regarding this.

  18. Posted

    p.p.s. Proof the Vic-20 is the best?

     

    TV Spokesperson

    Atari? Alan Alda (from M.A.S.H)

    Intellivision? George Plympton (Paper Lion)

    Tandy (TRS-80) Bill Bixby (Incredible Hulk)

    Vic-20 William Shatner!!!!!!

     

    Booo Yeah!!!

     

    ;-)

     

    You have to wonder what he got paid for those ads considering how cheap the Tramiel's were known to be. Also funny how Shatner says he never knew how to use a computer and he is actually afraid of them.

  19. Posted

    I have a bunch of boxed C64 stuff, possible for sale.. Lots of nice stuff.

     

    I'm trying to decide if I want to focus on Atari computers only, or branch out into other areas..

     

    Space with baby coming is at a premium. Msg me, I can send you a list.

     

    The neat thing, is it all has all those little knick knacks they like to include back then. I have a complete Ogre with all the goofy included items as an example.

     

    Origin Systems always had some interesting stuff in their packaging. Like the cloth maps and the ank included with I do believe Ultima IV.

  20. Posted

    I hadn't seen Snake Rattle 'n' Roll before. Very interesting.

     

    I'm sure the 7800 could pull off a decent version of Marble Madness that is at least equivalent to the NES version:

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k154KxQ2Sw8

     

    What I'd really love to see is a version of the unreleased Marble Madness sequel, Marble Man, which (as far as I know) still hasn't been dumped for emulation:

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMKeOG2EBY

     

    Its been dumped. It just hasn't been released, nor is it likely to be.

  22. Posted

    Wow, I might just do the same thing. I only have a 1080 monitor, but that should work just as well as your 1084 there. At the moment my 800XL is plugged into a 22" TV and it's just 'too big'.

     

    Tempest

     

    It's funny you mention that you think the 22" is too big, because I went out a couple of years ago when Best Buy actually still sold "regular" TVs and bought an 11" for that very reason.

  24. Posted

    Why did you? Are you the part of the posting police?

    The posting police, they live inside of my head.

    The posting police, they come to me in my bed.

    The posting police, they're coming to arrest me, oh no.

     

    Tempest

     

    That's funny. The only problem is now I'm going to have that song in my head all day..

  25. Posted · Edited by TwiliteZoner

    Thanks for all the info. I wonder what Mr. Park is up to these days? I believe the sources for the ST version of the FujiBoink demo were released in an article in START. Does anyone remember?

    tjb

     

    I have the STart disk with FujiBoink on it. There were two steps that you had to follow to get a working demo.

     

    Here is a link to the Atari Magazines STart article on the demo. I attached the STart disk from their site.

     

    http://www.atarimagazines.com/startv1n2/Fujiboink.html

    V1N2.zip

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