radiohead

2024-04-22T20:50:17Z

On 3/8/2024 at 9:01 PM, radiohead said:

So here we are a few weeks later and I have the EXACT same problem as before as I had with my a previous set of new CX30+... a shaky, jitter on one of the paddles. I would say the paddles have less than 2 hours of actual use. They are stored inside an storage box with a lid with my other game controllers, so no dust and they're not being knocked about or dropped.

When plugging in with the 5 pins on top, the problem paddle is the right controller - which like the last pair of controllers, felt just slightly looser than the more stiff left controller. Maybe it's a production issue with the stock that Amazon sells?

I sprayed Deoxit Contact Cleaner on the metal stem and worked it in since the potentiometer inside seems completely encased in plastic. Well, it made the jitter go away, but only temporarily. The jitter is back and the contact cleaner now has made the spin far more slippery.

Anybody else experience jittery-ness in a new set of CX30+... bought from Amazon... on the east coast of the U.S.? Could it be Stella or the 2600-datop? I have no real Atari hardware to test it out on.

I'm about ready to give up on all this. Ugh!

2 hours ago, fiudr said:

So the issue with the resolution of the paddle movements being limited on the 1600+...Is this an issue with the new paddles they're selling, or the Atari 2600+ system itself? I'm considering buying a set of their paddles just to use with my Retron77 (using the community firmware and OG cable adapter for the paddles) and Stella on my PC. Are the new paddles themselves capable of performing as well as the original paddles, and it's the 2600+hardware/firmware at fault?

I bought 2 sets of the new paddles for use on my PC & Raspberry Pi running Stella and using the 2600-daptor. Both sets had developed jitter fairly quickly. I returned them both to Amazon and thoughly cleaned a set of OG paddles bought from a retro game store. The OG paddles have been jitter-free and have smooth motion for nearly 2 months now.

April 10

Very cool adaptation! I see you are coding everything from scratch on your own (awesome!), but is there any thought to tweak the sounds to be a bit closer to what Pac-Man sounds like - maybe from the original Ms. Pac-Man 2600 or the Pac-Man 4k homebrew? The chomping, the pellet swallowing, the ghost siren, the Pac-Man death are all iconic sounds, and they would certainly help place your game in that Pac-Man/Atari 2600 universe. But if there's any rights issues with sounds or coding, then your game as it is now is still fun. Great work!

March 15

1 hour ago, VerminousCoot said:

I have a ticket open with Atari, I bought my CX30+ driectly from them and they seem more reluctant to take a return than Amazon might be. In the meantime I picked up a second Ranger and the dumb adaptor to plug two of them in. At first I didn't like the Ranger's form factor but it's growing on me.

I wasn't sure if I wanted to take a chance on the Hyperkin Ranger paddle, but I noticed recently that I hold the Atari paddle sideways in my left hand and spin up and down with my right (instead of holding it up and spinning left to right). So maybe the Ranger paddle could be a good reliable replacement for my twice-repaired OG paddles.

Amazon may be the demise of civilization, but I almost never have a problem returning items including my faulty CX30+.

March 12

On 3/8/2024 at 9:01 PM, radiohead said:

So here we are a few weeks later and I have the EXACT same problem as before as I had with my a previous set of new CX30+... a shaky, jitter on one of the paddles. I would say the paddles have less than 2 hours of actual use. They are stored inside an storage box with a lid with my other game controllers, so no dust and they're not being knocked about or dropped.

When plugging in with the 5 pins on top, the problem paddle is the right controller - which like the last pair of controllers, felt just slightly looser than the more stiff left controller. Maybe it's a production issue with the stock that Amazon sells?

I sprayed Deoxit Contact Cleaner on the metal stem and worked it in since the potentiometer inside seems completely encased in plastic. Well, it made the jitter go away, but only temporarily. The jitter is back and the contact cleaner now has made the spin far more slippery.

Anybody else experience jittery-ness in a new set of CX30+... bought from Amazon... on the east coast of the U.S.? Could it be Stella or the 2600-datop? I have no real Atari hardware to test it out on.

I'm about ready to give up on all this. Ugh!

So tinkering with my used OG paddles over the weekend, taking apart the potentiometers and giving them a thorough cleaning, as well as inside the pinholes of the plug, I get no jitter using them on the 2600-daptor on Stella (PC and Retopie). I played them for nearly 6 hours in the last 3 days - longer than using either the 2 new CX-30+ Atari Paddles - and things are good at the moment.

So the 2600-daptor & Stella seem to work as advertised. I just had problems with the new paddles. As unlikely as it seems, I think maybe it was a production batch issue because it was only a few days/hours with the 2 sets of new paddles, and then jitter crept in. I'd expect that with used 40-year-old paddles, but not new 3-week-old paddles. Again, I have no real hardware to check compatibility, so back to Amazon they go again.

On 2/16/2024 at 12:42 PM, dualcam said:

Thanks for the vid. Not as obvious as in the other posted vid, but do see some shakiness. I don't think it is the adapter, but the 2 paddles are on 2 separate inputs, so would be possible for there to be an adapter problem that only affects one paddle.

A vid on what to expect (using AtGames Flashback 8 paddles) -

http://2600-daptor.com/VID20240216092020.mp4

The server that 2600-daptor is hosted on is throttled, so down-load and watch off your device to avoid video buffering.

Happy to swap adapters with you if you like, though would really be surprised if this is the adapter.

EDIT: Just to add, this is Stella 6.7.1 and Win 11 x64.

Tom

http://2600-daptor.com/

Big thanks to dualcam for all his assistance! I think I'll wait for REV 2 before I acquire any new Atari hardware.

March 9

On 2/15/2024 at 4:54 PM, radiohead said:

Here's what I'm experiencing. Paddle/Player1 is smooth, Paddle/Player2 looks shaky. When moving fast its relatively ok, when moving slower, Paddle 2 is jittery/shaky. Using new Atari 4-1 Pack Paddles 3 weeks old using 2600-daptor PDL with Stella 6.7 (PC and Raspberry Pi.) Maybe I'm being picky, but I've already sunk $90 in the paddles ($30 for the 2600-daptor, $20 for used paddles which had terrible jitter even with cleaning, and these $40 4-1 Pack paddles). I would expect both new controllers would feel and operate the same.

On 2/19/2024 at 10:16 PM, radiohead said:

Just received new paddles (it helps that there is an Amazon Fullfillment Center 30 minutes away) and there is absolutely no jitter using the 2600-daptor PDL. Rock solid like the other pair before the trouble began. Hopefully these will last longer than 3 weeks.

So here we are a few weeks later and I have the EXACT same problem as before as I had with my a previous set of new CX30+... a shaky, jitter on one of the paddles. I would say the paddles have less than 2 hours of actual use. They are stored inside an storage box with a lid with my other game controllers, so no dust and they're not being knocked about or dropped.

When plugging in with the 5 pins on top, the problem paddle is the right controller - which like the last pair of controllers, felt just slightly looser than the more stiff left controller. Maybe it's a production issue with the stock that Amazon sells?

I sprayed Deoxit Contact Cleaner on the metal stem and worked it in since the potentiometer inside seems completely encased in plastic. Well, it made the jitter go away, but only temporarily. The jitter is back and the contact cleaner now has made the spin far more slippery.

Anybody else experience jittery-ness in a new set of CX30+... bought from Amazon... on the east coast of the U.S.? Could it be Stella or the 2600-datop? I have no real Atari hardware to test it out on.

I'm about ready to give up on all this. Ugh!

February 22

9 hours ago, fdr4prez said:

If you have updated your Retropie version very recently, then you can update to the latest version of Stella v6.7

I believe that so long as you have a v6 of Stella, then the settings will stick during an update, but don't quote me on that as I am not sure if that is true for the Stella update process within Retropie.

I have Retropie 4.8 and Stella 6.7. These are the latest releases as far as I know.

February 22

(Heavy tired sigh)... OK... I think I've got it. Everything is running in the same Stella 6.7 emulator on Retropie and I assume this will work on the PC.

On 2/20/2024 at 12:04 PM, Thomas Jentzsch said:

From the manual:

Swap Stelladaptor/2600-daptor port ordering Control + 1 Control + 1

I swapped the 2600-daptor port to Right controller [Ctrl+1] and the USB joystick stays on the Left. But that would affect the paddles since they must be on the Left. So...

18 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said:

You could change the properties for the paddle games and swap the paddles. Is there way to edit them?

I had to "Swap Ports" in each paddle rom game properties setting.

4 hours ago, fdr4prez said:

Start the desired game that needs to be reconfigured.

Press the Tab key to open the menu.

Make you change you need, exit the menu and reload the game to make sure the change remains, and then disconnect the keyboard.

This is saved per game, so do it once and it is done for that game.

No need to keep the keyboard attached.

Again, menu navigation is much easier/quicker if you can also attach a mouse.

After making the 2600-daptor port swtich to the right for the joystick and swapped ports back to make the paddles work on the left, I unplugged the keyboard and it looks like it's all holding steady. To make things even more complicated, I swapped the main paddle on some games to the other just so I can put even wear on the controllers (my last set was brand new and got jittery after 3 weeks).

Thanks for everybody's help. I deleted the 2600-daptor from retroarch because while the joystick worked fine, the paddle made the Emulation Station menu carousel screwy.

If Stella gets an update, hopefully all these settings will stay.

February 21

6 minutes ago, fdr4prez said:

yeah, you need a keyboard attached to the Pi and you get the same menu as the PC version.

A mouse is handy, too, otherwise you are pressing Tab a lot to jump around.

I use one of those little/mini wireless keyboard/mouse combo things.

I do have a spare keyboard that I plug into the Retropie for configuration, but I don't keep it plugged in. I have the Retropie as a game console for me and my kids in the den, and I don't want the kids to start pressing keyboard buttons and messing things up.

February 21

7 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said:

You could change the properties for the paddle games and swap the paddles. Is there way to edit them?

I'll experiment more, but I don't see a game property affecting 2600-daptor behavior beyond the Crtl+1 left/right keyboard shortcut.

Setting "Swap Ports" in Game Properties does just that; if both controllers are assigned to the Left port, they're both now on the Right. Setting "Swap Paddles" in Game Properties swaps the left and right paddles, but not the controller port. The overall issue looks like Stella is always defaulting the 2600-daptor as the Left controller port (I think the manual states that, and a second 2600-daptor would be set as Right), and for some reason, a generic USB controller also is assigned to Left controller port as well... but 2 generic USB controllers will split properly to Left & Right. Remapping both controllers didn't solve the problem.

In Retropie, I configured the 2600-daptor connected to my original Atari 2600 joystick as a generic USB controller (Up, Down, Left, Right, and "B" button) and it works and is properly assigned as Input Port 2 within the retroarch cores. So my solution here is to default paddle games to Stella, and Joystick games to lr-stella. I'm no longer concerned about 2 player action on my PC.

I suspect if/when I purchase another Hyperkin's Trooper USB joystick or even Atari's new USB joystick, this won't even be an issue anymore as Stella will automatically assign the USB sticks as Input Ports 1 & 2, while the 2600-daptor will only be used for paddles (Left controller port).

February 20

Indeed, swapping ports of the 2600-daptor (Ctrl +1) does fix the left joystick issue and now I can separate the 2 controllers with the 2600-daptor on the right. However I need to swap them back to make the paddles work as they need to be the left controller. On the PC this is easy, but not on the retropie as I don't have a keyboard attached.

On the Retropie, I found a convoluted, yet workable solution: defaulting all the Atari joystick roms to lr-stella 2014 and defaulting the paddle roms to the stand alone Stella 6.7. lr-stella assigns the usb joystick and the PDL to separate inputs and it works for 1-2 player games. Stella 6.7 makes the paddles works.

February 20

On 2/16/2024 at 12:42 PM, dualcam said:

Happy to swap adapters with you if you like, though would really be surprised if this is the adapter

Just received new paddles (it helps that there is an Amazon Fullfillment Center 30 minutes away) and there is absolutely no jitter using the 2600-daptor PDL. Rock solid like the other pair before the trouble began. Hopefully these will last longer than 3 weeks.

February 19

Forgive me if this has been addressed earlier, but I have the PDL adaptor for my paddles using Stella (6.7) on my PC and Retropie. I am also using a Hyperkin Trooper 2 USB joystick which defaults as the LEFT controller and also serves to provide Start/Select/ESC button control. When plugged in, the PDL adaptor also defaults to the LEFT controller - for games requiring paddles, it's not an issue and everything works great. But I recently purchased a used 9-pin 2600 Joystick to have it for Player 2 using the PDL adaptor, but it still registers as the LEFT controller along with the Hyperkin joystick USB. Remapping either controller as the RIGHT controller in Stella settings doesn't seem to work. When using 2 USB controllers in Stella (I also have an extra generic USB SNES-style gamepad), there's no conflict. Any ideas as to how to get the PDL adaptor & my USB Joystick to work together for 2 player action while keeping Paddle functionality when it's needed?

February 16

5 hours ago, dualcam said:

Thanks for the vid. Not as obvious as in the other posted vid, but do see some shakiness. I don't think it is the adapter, but the 2 paddles are on 2 separate inputs, so would be possible for there to be an adapter problem that only affects one paddle.

A vid on what to expect (using AtGames Flashback 8 paddles) -

http://2600-daptor.com/VID20240216092020.mp4

The server that 2600-daptor is hosted on is throttled, so down-load and watch off your device to avoid video buffering.

Happy to swap adapters with you if you like, though would really be surprised if this is the adapter.

EDIT: Just to add, this is Stella 6.7.1 and Win 11 x64.

Tom

http://2600-daptor.com/

I appreciate your help. The issue is just the one paddle, regardless of the swap setting, port or input. I'm thinking it is a faulty potentiometer of that paddle due to wear - though it's only a few weeks old. I'm sure it'll get worse, so while I still can, I've returned it to Amazon today for an exchange and I'll see if another new set of paddles are any better.

February 15

6 hours ago, dualcam said:

Can you provide a video of the jitter, or describe in more detail what you are seeing? Sometimes I think "jitter" gets used as a generic term. To me, jitter is the player quickly dancing back & forth on screen when the paddle controller is stationary.

Tom

http://2600-daptor.com/

4 hours ago, radiohead said:

With quick, broad spinning of the dial from one side of the screen to the other, the paddle performs relatively fine. It's during slow, incremental turning, the paddle shakes - but again only on one paddle. I swapped the paddle settings in Stella so that I'm now playing the other less-used paddle and the shaky paddle (that I had been using) is now player 2. Neither seemed to shake when I first used them, but now 3 weeks later, I notice shakiness.

Here's what I'm experiencing. Paddle/Player1 is smooth, Paddle/Player2 looks shaky. When moving fast its relatively ok, when moving slower, Paddle 2 is jittery/shaky. Using new Atari 4-1 Pack Paddles 3 weeks old using 2600-daptor PDL with Stella 6.7 (PC and Raspberry Pi.) Maybe I'm being picky, but I've already sunk $90 in the paddles ($30 for the 2600-daptor, $20 for used paddles which had terrible jitter even with cleaning, and these $40 4-1 Pack paddles). I would expect both new controllers would feel and operate the same.

February 15

50 minutes ago, dualcam said:

Just saw this vid had been previously posted. Something like this is mostly like the paddle controller - could be the pot or loose connection.

Tom

http://2600-daptor.com/

I can make a quick video when I get home tonight if you like, but yes it's kind of like that, but only on one paddle. With quick, broad spinning of the dial from one side of the screen to the other, the paddle performs relatively fine. It's during slow, incremental turning, the paddle shakes - but again only on one paddle. I swapped the paddle settings in Stella so that I'm now playing the other less-used paddle and the shaky paddle (that I had been using) is now player 2. Neither seemed to shake when I first used them, but now 3 weeks later, I notice shakiness. I successfully updated the 2600PDL firmware (from 5/23 whether it needed it or not), changed out the USB B cable, and tried all the dip switch combos and found (on Maximum Range) that the shakiness has reduced a bit. But one paddle is clearly jittery/shakier than the other. If it were a PDL daptor issue, wouldn't both paddles be affected?

February 15

4 hours ago, Rodney Hester said:

You are probably experiencing a floating ground issue. I suspect you're using the D9 adapter with a two-prong power supply?

This issue does not exist on the 2600-daptor II nor the specially-made PDL adapter (created exactly to solve that problem).

Interesting. I have the 2600-daptor PDL plugged in with a USB B cord. I bought it last summer and I see the latest firmware update was on 5/23. Don't know if the latest firmware is on my PDL. The right paddle I've been using jitters more than the left, less used paddle. Same jitter on both the Raspberry Pi and PC. So maybe I should try to update the firmware?

UPDATE: The 2600-daptor PDL may be the culprit. I swapped USB cables and I tested all the dip switches settings (2600 Paddle / Commodore / Maximum Range / MiSTER 7600-2600) and Maximum Range setting seemed to be the best at reducing the jitter instead of the default 2600 Paddle setting when used on both PC and Raspberry Pi (don't really know why). I will experiment some more and look in to possibly updating the PDL firmware, but so far I'm encouraged with the results.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Rodney!

February 14

1 hour ago, Glorkbot said:

It could also be a retroarch issue. Do both Retropie and Atari 2600+ use retroarch as their underlying interface?

I don't get much jitter using the paddles on Stella on my computer (or on my 2600+ either for that matter, actually. Although they are not as smooth on the Atari 2600+ as they move in bigger steps, they don't particularly jitter.) I haven't tried them on my Raspberry Pi yet.

I'll try the new paddles on the PC Stella software. On the retropie, I'm not using the lr-stella emulator that comes with Emulation Station, just the actual downloaded Stella 6.7 (I've mapped the controllers and access game properties via Stella's setting) so I don't know how much influence retroarch has in my setup. I can't imagine the new paddles "get dirty" this fast after only 4 game sessions.

February 14

I also bought the Atari 4-1 Paddle pack a few weeks ago at the end of January and I'm having jitter issues as well. But I'm not using them on an Atari 2600+.

I'm using the new paddles on a Retropie 3B running the Stella emulator 6.7 with the 2600-daptor. Out of the box the paddles worked terrifically, virtually no jitter.

Now after only using them maybe 4 times, I notice significant jitter in fast player games like Breakout, Kaboom, Astroblast and Solar Storm, while considerably less jitter in other slower action games like Warlords, Street Racer, Canyon Bomber, etc. All my game roms are NTSC.

It seems the paddle I use most has the jitter while the another less used paddle not so much.

I've only recently began using paddles again in the last 6 months after the purchase of the 2600-daptor for Stella on the PC & Retropie. Prior to that, I haven't played paddle games in years and I don't remember paddle games being this jittery.

I experienced the same jitter before with another pair of paddles which were bought "used", but I suspected they were old after cleaning them a number of times and still found noticeable jitter.

Has this always been an issue with all Atari paddles? Is this a paddle construction issue from Plaion or is it a Stella emulator issue?

February 8

21 minutes ago, Alex_813 said:

Mine had circle tape pad on the top lid only. The bottom one was not secured in any way.

My box was the same way - circle tape only on the top lid, not shrink wrapped. Contents were secured. I actually opened it from the bottom. The paddle cables looked properly coiled and wire-tied.

January 27

On 11/23/2023 at 3:22 PM, MittyOz said:

Wondering what everyone thinks of the Paddles. I'm pretty happy with them. They're a bit stiff, but hopefully this will improve over time. The build quality is amazing, they seem exactly the same physically as my original paddles (though they work much better, my old ones have a bit of jiggle/drift). They're also the item that appears to just have sold out online, you can't get them anywhere. Very glad I pre-ordered just for those.

Which games are you playing with your paddles, how are you finding them?

I just got the new CX30+ Paddles from Amazon today to play on my Raspberry Pi 3B running Stella 6.7 (not lr-stella) and using the 2600-daptor and the Hyperkin Trooper 2 6-button USB joystick.

These paddles are rock solid with virtually no jitter on my roms of Breakout, Super Breakout, Warlords, Street Racer or Video Olympics. I only see the tiniest jitter in Kaboom, but only when the bombs drop - the buckets are stationary between rounds, so maybe the complains about Kaboom's jitter is from the original coding. (I have my Stella emulator settings to 51% paddle sensitivity and Dejitter to 5).

I'm amazed the potentiometer is so small. Hopefully, it won't be susceptible to grime and constant cleaning like the old style. Also, these are far and away better than the paddles that came with my AtGames Flashback 4, which I have been using for my Raspberry Pi setup.

I haven't bought the Atari 2600+ because (1) based on the comments on Atariage, it doesn't seem like it's fully baked yet and (2) I don't have any carts - beside the 4 in 1 that came with the paddles. But I'm encouraged to pick up the new CX-40+ joystick to run with the 2600-datop for second player because the build of these paddles feel great.

I may eventually get the Atari 2600+ if enough new selections of multi-carts become available, or if someone hacks it to play roms.

November 18, 2023

I'm running Retropie 4.8 and the color palette for the ATARI 7800 emulator appears to be PAL, not NTSC (for instance, the color of the enemy in Galaga is clearly pink, not red.) I don't see a selection in the core emulator to change the color palette through the retroarch menu ("hotkey"-X). Also, there are no default files in the "palettes" folder in //retropie/BIOS.

It's been this way for some time. I even updated the lr-prosystem core via the retropie config menu, but the colors still seem PAL, not NTSC.

It used to be NTSC colors, but some update either with lr-prosystem or Retropie changed the palette. All other game emulators are the NTSC palette.

The Prosystem emulator for PC is NTSC default.

Any idea how to manually change to a NTSC palette or switch back to an earlier ATARI 7800 core (hopefully I'm saying this correctly.)

Thx!

September 20, 2023

13 minutes ago, desiv said:

First off, something happened with your font there... Might want to get that checked out...

Secondly, not really. The system comes with a multicart. They sell other carts. AA will be selling carts. Carts are pretty easily available still on certain sites.

And I think some people still have carts in their closets, etc...

And you also make the assumption that it requires "a ton" of carts to be enjoyable.

Really, the right selection of carts could be enough to make people happy...

I found out when I got into RetroPie that there were just too many games. So I started setting up mine with 20 games max per system, and only a handful of systems.

Having thousands or even hundreds of games is silly when I only really play a few...

Now, is having an SD card option a good thing? Yes. Would it make this product more appealing? Yes.

But, it is required to be successful? I don't think so... Of course, time will tell...

I'm very much in the "casual" segment several have scoffed at in the discussion. I have no carts, but would be willing to purchase some within reason. Local game/collectible shops near me are selling loose carts for the 2600 at 4.99-9.99 a piece which is fine. I'm also interested in some of the new homebrews (I'm greatly missing the ability to get the Juno First cartridge!) But I'm not going to spend $50 per Atari retail title when their entire game library is available either for free online or for half that much on modern systems.

I have retropie and loaded it up with roms. That scenario is great for systems from the NES onward because of the "modern" generic controllers. But the experience of Atari/Intellivision/Collecovision is lacking, and you have to get specialized USB controllers and workarounds. AtGames keeps changing the Flashback, (one year you have good titles, the next you lose paddle functionality.) The Game Station Pro looks like an interesting option, but it's a retropie/flashback mashup.

Lots of products to choose from, but the product I and maybe other casuals are looking for is something that works at least as well as the Retron 77, functions like the Flashback, and is affordable to maintain the game ecosystem.

September 12, 2023

57 minutes ago, Zoyous said:

I think kids will find the DIP switches interesting. Hell, they're interesting to me and enhance the physicality of the cartridge experience (even if I understand that it's not really using the cartridge like the original system did). It'd be cool if they put a hidden game on there that you can find with some unlisted combination.

My sons are 25, 21, 19 and all have retro gaming systems (Sega Genesis, XBOX, PS2, GC) and buy used games. They also buy vinyl records, as well as the physical media of newer Switch games instead of DLC. I agree a new audience may appreciate the tactile-ness of handling carts and switches. But the (newer) 2600+ games need to be killer apps that that audience would respond to (like the 2600 version of HALO or RPG, side scrollers titles. Simple arcade shooters like Outlaw are not going to accomplish that.)

49 minutes ago, donjn said:

Kids don't play Atari 2600, us older kids do..
I mean, the bulk of the Atari 2600 retro customers are over 40 years old.

Getting out my reading glasses and tiny pliers to select a game (which, let's face it, they only did this because they don't want multi-cart menu systems to work so that they can sell you Outlaw for $60 and future Atari dip-switch combos) is downright ludicrous, but we will see.

True. I'm not looking forward to re-purchase pricey special edition editions to 40-year-old games. I've been quite spoiled by AtGames and the Stella PC emulator to play Pong or Asteroids roms easily and inexpensively via a menu library. But the tactile experience described above wasn't there. I'm hoping there will be a workable balance between these two sides.

September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, jgkspsx said:

I think the pricing is pretty similar. $60 vs $50 for box/manual/cart and $30 for box and cart vs $25 for cart and manual. (Although give me a manual over a box any day.)

I'm sure this being a niche product and the costs involved with the manufacturing of cartridges and licensing will warrant $30-$60 per title, but...

The Atari 50th Anniversary release for the modern systems has over 90 game titles (almost 40 for just the 2600) and it's only $29.99. It's likely each of those individual titles re-released for the 2600+ on cartridge may cost more than that entire collection. Hence, my hope is for multicart releases like what's coming with the console and paddles (could be like Arcade Collection, Real Sports Collection, Space Collection, Adventure Collection, M-Network, etc.)

Or have the ability to sideload roms of some of the older titles and concentrate on purchasing newly created titles.

September 11, 2023

Speaking as a long-term follower of these forums and an Atari 2600 fan, I have to say I've been chasing this unicorn for years. I bought all those Jakks Pacific Plug 'n Plays and 3 AtGames Flashbacks, plus a Retropie and a Stelladaptor for the PC trying to recapture the fun of playing Atari 2600 games. But there was always something not right, whether it was the emulation, the paddle/controller support, the cheapness of the product, convenience, etc. I shied away from buying the original 45-year-old hardware because I wasn't technically savvy enough to fix it or get a CRT. So this Atari 2600+ console/ecosystem really has me stoked if it can check all the boxes.

I'll be more than happy to start purchasing new cartridge releases, and even start collecting old cartridges if the system works as it promises, regarding game compatibility and paddle controller support. But at this stage, the classic Atari 2600 game catalog (the titles licensed to AtGames, My Arcade, etc.) should be released either as affordable multicart collections or accessible via digital files (assuming someone can patch the OS just like the Retron and Flashbacks.) The price point so far on the cartridges is a little steep IMO for a consumer like me looking to start a 2600 library. Most of the homebrew cart prices on AA are more in line with what I would be comfortable paying.

Hopefully, the console will be favorably reviewed, then I'll pick one up. That's my unsolicited take on things.

Thx!

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