ATARI7800fan

I don't think you have your history right at all there. The thing with Nolan was different from what you're claiming, and lockout was many years away. (you don't need a "chip" either; the 7800 used the rather elegant mechanism of a ROM header/signature to authenticate 7800 games and enable 7800 mode -a similar system was used on the Master System, Genesis -for all the but the very early models, and several others) I know Curt and Marty could explain the Nolan issue better, but even if you assume that he WAS pushing for the A8 chipset for a console to succeed the VCS: A. the final A8 chipset was FAR too expensive for a console design B. the initial chipset (pre-computer) was far less capable (no ANTIC and more like the VCS with CPU driving the display iirc) C. it would have been very stupid to cap the VCS back in '79 when it had yet to make a massive success with Space Invaders onward (initially, the VCS was planned to have a short life; the market was new and it wasn't understood that a game console could be milked for over half a decade if it got popular enough and fit the market right -in some cases even for more than a decade as with the Famicom in Japan or the VCS/2600 in the US) A good time for a successor to the VCS would have been '81/82 (if done right, or better delayed until '83 if they couldn't get it right in time) and keeping the 2600 going strong made perfect sense as it was shifted more and more into the budget market sector with the new high-end successor counterpart in the upper market sector that the VCS was in earlier on. (of course, that didn't happen and the 5200 was a bit of a mess in several respects, but more a symptom of the overall problem than anything else -internal management issues at Atari/Warner in several areas that materialized in '82 and got worse as the year dragged on and into '83 with the crash -one of the most critical issues being the distribution network being problematic and contributing heavily to inflated market growth figures that resulted in the so-called glut) Things started turning around after James Morgan came in in late '83 (albeit the freeze on operations in fall of '83 was an unfortunate move in his otherwise extremely positive/necessary reorganization effort), but Warner split up the company in mid '84 and ended all that. (and did so in such a sloppy manner -not so much rushed, but poorly planned out and disorganized- that much of the effort that had already been put into rebuilding Atari Inc was totally wasted, leaving Tramiel with a big mess to wade through before things settled down -many issues lingering into early 1985 or even longer) Warner/Kassar also messed up the A8 in several areas (some hardware features/concepts forced, but the bigger issue was on the marketing side and understanding the nature of the US -let alone European- home computer market -both high end and low end, business, entertainment, and hobbyist) and a lot of missed opportunities because of that. Thanks, It was the earlier chipset I was thinking off, I just got done watching a documentary/interview about Nolan. It was the original chipset that he and atari had started that was supposed to be the 2600 successor. He new that in 3 or so years to stay ahead of possible competitors they would need a new console. If I remember correctly that was why he was fired. Argued with Warner to much on how the company should be ran, there were other reasons too I think. I feel they might have let him stay if he had not argued about the chipset and just let them design the computer then around 1981 pushed to go ahead and with some improvements release the original chipset as a new console plus have lock out,maybe the game crash would have never happened. I wonder how things could have gone differently if he had not been fired. He was a genius with how to make money go along way. Can't wait for Space Harrier to come out though.

Is Marvel vs capcom still for sale, how much do you want.

Good price for sonic colors. I own it and must say it is the best 3D/2D sonic game since sonic adventure 1, might even be better.

How much would you want for, King of fighters 2003,Rage of Dragons, and Sengoku 3. Hope to be gettig a MVS converter sometime this year. Currently have a 1991 Neo Geo AES. Figured out MVS carts are defiently alot cheaper.

How much do you want for the NGP Sonic pocket Adventure.

Should be getting a Atari 600XL with 64K of memory in a week or two. Still kept the 7800, can't wait for Outrun,Space harrier, and Wolfenstein 3D to come out. Still amazing what they were able to get out of 1979 tech. Warner should have made it into a console with a lock-out chip and replaced the Atari 2600 like Nolan Bushnell wanted in the first place instead of a computer. Who knows maybe then the game crash would have never started. Or at least had the 5200 with a lock-chip, able to play the computer games, kept the original design of the controllers and backwards compatible with the 2600, and had the full 48K or more of memory and they probably could have had something that lasted till the Genesis. How things could have gone so much differently.

SPeak for yourself, dude.. You dont know me from the man in the moon.. I don't associate myself with ANY of that political BS from either "side". Everything Ive seen in the past 20 years from any group calling themselves a "political party" is total crap, and anyone who believes it is a total idiot. When I state my point of view, it is purely concepts that I myself REALLY DO believe in, stand behind, and claim complete responsibility for. And Ive done more than explain myself here.. So either take my explanation, or choose to believe I meant something other than what I have said.. It's a damn rediculous argument, if you ask me.. And I am tired of it.. If you are tired of it then why do you keep on responding. They have there opinions and it is obvious that you are not going to get them to change, so just let it go already.

My vote goes for this one from PAC-MAN PRIME. definitely prefer the 7800 being maroon instead of purple, with the 1984 label design.

Nice car. I would love to own a Edsel some day.

I would love to find the Atari 7800 version of it.

No bugs found by the beta testers so far. The tool has been used in all my 7800 games apart from the Tempest port so its had quite a bit of testing. Wait there is a port of tempest for the 7800, when is that coming out :!:

What is your opinion of the musical capabilities of the two systems. I noticed while listening to the intro's to Turrican one and two that a lot of people. I am guessing amiga fans were saying those videos were fake just because it said original amiga graphics and then listed the designers name. They could not belive the music was coming from a actual Atari ST. Is it a large group of people that underestimate the Atari ST when it comes to sound or just a small group. Love how some programmers could really push the Atari ST. Seems these days developers do not try as hard. Plus it seems with technology, it is always advancing so they do not have to work hard. What happened to having a computer part last 5 or so years instead of becoming obsolete within a few months.

Thanks for the comments. Right now I am in the process of possibly buying a Atari 600XL with expanded memory from jaybird3rd. I was also able to buy a copy of Track and Field for 5 dollars. Is that a good price for the game.

I was wondering will this work with a Expanded Atari 600XL that already has 64K or ram.Have a nice day.

What are your guys opinion of jaybird3rd. I am thinking of getting a computer he is selling. It is a Atari 600XL, I've got an extra boxed unit that's in great shape and includes 64K of RAM (via an internal upgrade that I added).He is asking 45 dollars plus shipping. Is that a fair price. What is his reputation.

What are your guys opinion of jaybird3rd. I am thinking of getting a computer he is selling. It is a Atari 600XL, I've got an extra boxed unit that's in great shape and includes 64K of RAM (via an internal upgrade that I added).He is asking 45 dollars plus shipping. Is that a fair price. What is his reputation.

What are your guys opinion of jaybird3rd. I am thinking of getting a computer he is selling. It is a Atari 600XL, I've got an extra boxed unit that's in great shape and includes 64K of RAM (via an internal upgrade that I added).He is asking 45 dollars plus shipping. Is that a fair price. What is his reputation.

Yeah, the topic wasn't about which is better (technically), but whether someone should have one or both and some other variables. If you go on the technical level there's miles of trade-offs with both (the 7800's hardware is technically newer, more efficient, and more advanced, but also crippled by the low-cost requirement for the design and being frozen for production in early 1984 -albeit there's some odd design trade-offs that you could argue shouldn't have been made, even without hindsight -with hindsight of the 1986 release there's obviously tons of modifications that could have been made and still retained very low cost and compatibility). Not nearly as straightforward as the 5200 where the technical capabilities are virtually identical. (other than the closed architecture of the 5200 -even the stock controller issues can be bypassed with low-precision analog joysticks using pull-up resistors for pseudo 8-way control -with 8 analog states fallign within the acceptable ranges for games assumign full-throw pot based controllers, better buttons, etc, or better quality high precision analog stick -I'm leaving it at that as I don't want to start the digital vs analog crap again and the 5200 comment was off topic anyway ) Then there's the real-world side for the existing libraries and homebrew support, the 7800 has many fewer games but quite a few that are very notable and/or exclusive (or absent from the A8) and better than the A8 version (or different enough to merit both versions). Though it also depends on your preferred genres and if you care for the convenience of having built-in 2600 support with better placement of the joysticks as well. And that's what the topic was about before it got derailed. (and even if you did favor the A8 you'd have to determine the model preferred as well 800/400 with 4 ports and only up to 48k -normally and iirc 64k+ mods aren't compatible with the MMU scheme later used- vs the added RAM and compact form factor of some later models but lack of the 4 ports a handful of programs take advantage of) Sorry about that guys. I did not think people would go so overkill when I posted this thread. Just wanted some opinions on the systems from people that have owned them.

What do you guys think of this deal. eBay Auction -- Item Number: 300518062149 I am still thinking of getting the 600XL just for the reason that I can buy the Ram expansion off of this site and not do any moding to get it to work on the 800XL. Plus I am a little tight on money. I will be selling my TI-99/4A so I can afford to buy the computer, hopefully no more then 40 for this one I have listed here. Plus have some more money left over so I can buy some more games like Donkey Kong JR. Though There is a 7800 version in box listed for 10 dollars buy it now plus 5 shipping that I am thinking of getting.

I hear this comment quite often. The thing is, the 8-bit computers can be used solely as a console, if one chooses. The 8-bits have a cartridge port and many good titles that can be run from it. There are also multicarts available. You can own the system and never have to deal with any other medium. Of course you'll miss a lot. Point is, I consider the 8-bits a computer/console. When I first got mine, I used nothing other than cartridges for about a year. I have heard that with a floppy drive, all you do is insert the floppy then turn on the system and it loads automatically like a cart, is that true? If so I would not mind floppy's. Currently have a TI-99/4A that I am selling because of the lack of games. Plus I can not seem to remember the load command half of the time. To used to MSDOS I guess.

I am currently looking for a Atari 600XL. Would like if it came with some games and floppy drive but not required. Interested in all offers. Does need a RF adapter (RCA to Coax) so I will not have to deal with a switchbox. Thanks for your time.

I intend to buy either a 600XL or 800XL. I will buy if they are all type of new Games. Yes I will pay for new carts. I would pay less then 49.95. I would like platformers, shooters, and side scrollers.

How much would is cost to ship to the USA. What would the cost be in dollars.Thank you for your time.

I was wondering is it worth getting a 600XL verses a 800XL and what is a good price for a 600XL. I have found one on ebay. The starting bid is 5 dollars and shipping is 15.Computer is in excellent condition and works great! All self tests passed perfect. If your a vintage computer collector or just like playing old video games this is the computer for you. I have include the new style RF adapter to connect the computer to your tv (small silver connector in picture). Items included: * 600XL Computer * Power Supply * TV connect cable * RF adapter (RCA to Coax) * Original Box and Packaging (worn) What would be a good price including shipping for it.