ZylonBane

You just responded to a post from TWELVE YEARS ago.

This guy has to be trolling us.

If it's so obvious, maybe you should fire it up in an emulator, take a screenshot of it running in 1:1 mode, and prove it.

So in conclusion, most arcade and 2600 games are non-deterministic, for any meaningful definition of the term.

Oh no, someone whose avatar is "Breast Breakout" has me blocked. Truly I am shamed.

Something happened that was randomly selected from a predetermined list. There, was that so hard? By your silly application of the word, real life isn't random either, because reality is constrained by physical laws. You never wake up to find yourself transformed into an ice cream cone. Hell, to those who believe in the "clockwork universe" theory of cosmology, there is literally no randomness at all, ever, in anything. The entire universe, down to the smallest subatomic particle, behaves deterministically.

That, right there, is exactly what I meant by goalpost-moving. You attempted to expand the notion of a truly deterministic AI like Pac-Man's, into a "nae true randomness" argument encompassing ALL (arcade/VCS) games. Which is of course bullshit. For any competently-coded random number generator, there is no practical difference between a pseudo-random number generator and true randomness. If players never notice a pattern, then for all practical purposes there is no pattern. Et voila, non-deterministic gameplay.

You can blather on about whether or not random number generators are "really" random, "Capitan", but that would be obvious goalpost-moving on your part, now wouldn't it? No, the only deterministic games are ones in which all the computer's decisions are predetermined and/or based strictly on player input. As soon as randomness is introduced, the game becomes non-deterministic. Enemy attack patterns in Missile Command? The paths barrels take to the bottom in Donkey Kong? Asteroid position and direction in Asteroids? Enemy placement in Defender? Mushrooms in Centipede? Walls and robot placement in Berzerk? All random elements that make deterministic play impossible.

Why would you say something so obviously wrong?

Ha ha, you quoted the entire post immediately above yours.

In the absence of quoting, it's always assumed the reply is to the immediately preceding post. See for example: this post and your post.

Eh? All the Atarisoft Pac-Man versions were pretty good.

Uh, the Jag can and does do both those things.

Maybe you should look at what I was actually replying to.

The Jag version is also missing enemies facing the direction they're moving. Instead they always face toward the player, like the monsters in 32X Doom.

Stop being a crazy person.

Can someone translate this from Gooch into English?

People who don't understand what the word "trope" means.

Your link isn't working dude.

Just one from Moycon.

It's easy to miss something you never said until just now. So, to make sure I'm following your logic here correctly... if you'd been motivated to do this by something else, say, a really good ham sandwich, the title of this thread would have instead been "Some ham sandwich inspired NES chiptune covers on the Atari PoKeY". Correct?

So you're agreeing these are no more "7800 inspired" than any other POKEY tune. Less even, since there's zero chance any of these games would ever have been released on the 7800. This all just smacks of a narcissist making up a nonsensical reason to crosspost. I suppose next he'll post these in the 2600 forum as "2600 inspired", because hey, it's technically possible to jam a POKEY into a 2600 cart. Or the arcade forum as "Tempest inspired" because arcade Tempest used POKEY.

No, POKEY was never part of the 7800 design. http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/consoles/7800/atari3600.html So yeah, I'm still not getting how these are any more "7800 inspired" than all the hundreds of other POKEY tunes that exist.

The 7800 doesn't have a POKEY (yes, it's "POKEY", not "PoKEY). So what does "7800 inspired" even mean here? These aren't 7800 games. It's not 7800 music. They're not something a 7800 can play. WTF.

Yes, you meant the bare minimum neural activity to type the sentence "A Blade Runner game would be nice", and that was the full extent of the thought you put into that post.