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Seriously... how many variations of Mario and Zelda do you really need? Widen your perspective a bit.
There is a reason I don't have any Nintendo consoles . . . .
Mario, Zelda, Kickle, Ninja Gaiden, Nemo, Mega Man, Ninja Turtles, River City, Metroid, Little Samson, Bubble Bobble, Tetris, Balloon Fight, Contra, Ikari Warriors, Wizards & Warriors, Toki, Gauntlet?
I need 'em all. I'm not the one confining myself to Atari's space shooters & racing games, after all.
You can have all the NES (edit-Nintendo) ones. They all look (edit- and sound) like Underball described to me...

Works for me.
I could spend hours with River City Ransom's "too-big eyes" and you guys can have all those awesome 7800 beat'em ups.To explain it further- I like the variety and type of games in the Nintendo library, and lament the fact that the 7800 didn't get as many elaborate games as Nintendo, I just hate the LOOK and FEEL of the execution of the games on Nintendo.
I don't want to just play "space shooters and racing games". I want to play the same games as the NES had on the 7800- WITHOUT all the " Mushrooms. Pastel vomit colors. ballerina music box music". I wish development would have happened on the 7800 to give us a Zelda sized "Adventure 7800" with real dragons and a medieval theme- no ducks, mushrooms, Yoshis, plumbers, flowers, etc....
Oh well, no sense looking up a dead horse's arse.
But hey, there is hope with the 7800XM right?

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Seriously... how many variations of Mario and Zelda do you really need? Widen your perspective a bit.
There is a reason I don't have any Nintendo consoles . . . .
Mario, Zelda, Kickle, Ninja Gaiden, Nemo, Mega Man, Ninja Turtles, River City, Metroid, Little Samson, Bubble Bobble, Tetris, Balloon Fight, Contra, Ikari Warriors, Wizards & Warriors, Toki, Gauntlet?
I need 'em all. I'm not the one confining myself to Atari's space shooters & racing games, after all.
You can have all the NES (edit-Nintendo) ones. They all look (edit- and sound) like Underball described to me...

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Ridiculous auction. Deals like this don't work. Feedback score ZERO- 'nuff said...
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Honest to God... everyone in the world except for me and about 3/4 of the people on this website are f'ing stupid, and I'm hardly exaggerating at all.
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Anyone who gets down on the NES's total library like that either has too little experience, an odd bias, or just plain odd taste. (and I'm not a huge fan of the NES -I grew up with it in the early 90s, but it's definitely not in my top 5 game platforms...)
Well, I don't consider it "odd taste", but I have definitely had little experience with Nintendo because whatever you call it- I can look at almost any Nintendo game and tell it is being played on Nintendo- and it holds no interest to me.
There are some 3rd party exceptions, but overall here's what I mean, IMHO:
If you consider two of the (arguably) top Nintendo franchises- Mario and Zelda- the characters, sprites, enemies, layouts, etc. are way too kid oriented. To me "adventure game" means the feel of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons - artwork and themes in that vein, not goofy, squashed children's book characters. Gannon?- please... give me a break. I mean, it seems that the adventure (and other) games that came after the NES all tried to be LIKE the NES, and I just don't like that Japanese animation (large eyes, goofy kid charaters, etc., etc.) graphics.
Maybe it is just odd bias, or just plain odd taste...

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for me, it's never been about the technical end of the sound performance. I've always cared about the tone of the sound. The nes always sounded so twee and high-pitched-doot-dee-doot that I never really liked it's sound back in the day.
This x 1,000. NES games, in every aspect - music, graphics, characters, game plots - always came off as twee, and kidsy crap. (except for the occasional Arcade port) I mean they all felt like Sesame Street aged kids stuff. Games for 5 year olds. Mushrooms. Pastel vomit colors. ballerina music box music. Something my sister should be playing with. Everything looked all Hello Kitty compared to the space ships, shooters, and racing games of Atari.
+1 Thank you. Not to anger anyone, but I have always felt this way and was never "on board" for the whole NES bandwagon in 1985+. I have always felt that the games are so different than the "American" (if you will) culture and feel of the Atari games. Nintendo is STILL this way- cutsie. Obviously some people like it...
I think the video game scene really lost something when it all went to Nintendo. I know everyone credits them with "revitalizing" it- but no, they ruined it for the games I like.
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This guy should at least get a honorable mention in the Darwin Awards this year.

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I had the same thing happen to me quite some time ago.
Don't waste anymore of your time with this retard.
File a claim with Ebay for damaged items, which this clearly is, and get your money back.
Follow it up with bad feedback so they get the message.
Sounds harsh, however, the seller is not showing you any kindness either...

I wont have to send it back right? Because I want to keep it regardless of the box!
Probably not. Just describe the situation to Ebay exactly as you did here. You will at least get a partial refund.
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I had the same thing happen to me quite some time ago.
Don't waste anymore of your time with this retard.
File a claim with Ebay for damaged items, which this clearly is, and get your money back.
Follow it up with bad feedback so they get the message.
Sounds harsh, however, the seller is not showing you any kindness either...

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What Threshold is that?
Looks like ColecoVision.
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Hi, Tubular Gearhead. I have had this cartridge sitting in my bookcase pile of games I don't like for easily six years. I played it twice on the day I got it. The flicker/graphics/sound effects all suck, IMHO. I will pop it into the Atari and make sure it still works. I have no idea how paypal works as I have never bothered to try and sell something as I have only had games to sell in the $10 rarity range, not worth the bother. The label on this is spotless, though you can see where the two screws are. I have no box or manual as I think it came from Value Village which only seems to have loose carts. I scanned the cart and hope that the attached image shows up for you to see.
PM sent!

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how much is a loose cart worth?
Probably about $75 I would say, although I've seen them sell for less. It's definitely undervalued. (Atari2600.com has it priced at ~$50.)
It's kind of hard to tell, since most of the copies that pop up for sale are CIB. Loose cartridges are few and far between.
$75 is definitely just a few PayPal keystrokes away- if there are any takers.....

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Besides maybe Alcazar (which was around just not released), isn't everything in the above list already before 1984?

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Bump'n it up....
C'mon guys, there has to be a way to pry this away from one of you.
For the sake of completeness, my Tigervision collection asks you from the bottom of it's heart....

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41. I grew up in the Bay Area, San Jose CA.
I got my first Atari 400 in 1982, and by the time I was done with it I had installed a full-stroke keyboard and a 64k Mosaic ram board. My father knew someone from work that traded me an Atari 800 fully decked out with an ATR8000 CPM 64k expansion and two external drives (not quite sure why he went for the trade
). Unfortunately, I sold most of my Atari stuff when I was in high school and had to build up my collection much later. Wish I had kept some of that stuff...
On a side note, one of my best memories was a school field trip to the Atari headquarters in 1982 where they gave us a tour of the whole facility. At the end, they let our whole class spend an hour in the arcade they had on site and I remember playing games I had not seen yet in the arcades in the local mall.
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These things are complicated. Any attempt to reduce a system's capabilities to a chart of simple specs just leads to a loss of precision, and leaves too much up to the imagination about how each machine actually works. Trying to compare different systems via charts like this is not effective.
Take RAM for example. Systems can use RAM in different ways, and due to differences in their design one system might need more RAM than another to do the same job. So comparing the RAM size without a deeper understanding of each machine is misleading.
It's somewhat interesting to read generic spec charts but it's a mistake to take them too seriously. People who understand opposing systems in detail get into neverending debates on which is superior at a given task. Reducing the machines to simplified specs isn't any more illuminating.
I would respectfully disagree.
Such a chart is not the end of the discussion. Far from it. And it isn't meant to boil the respective consoles down to "A is better than B".
However, there are certain factual specifications that in reality cannot be disputed. Console A has X amount of RAM. Console B has Y amount of RAM. Console A utilizes XXXX CPU. Console B utilizes YYYY CPU. Such things are indisputable, regardless of how such resources are used.
Yes, the end result is more than the sum of it's parts. The interactions of those parts and how they were designed to be utilized and what graphics they end up producing, etc., etc. cannot be boiled down to a spec chart. However, such a chart serves as a great foundation on which to build such discussions.
Also, please keep in mind what I felt was one of the 3 main drivers of such a document: to educate new entrants into the community. Individuals that may not even know what processor an NES utilizes and what processor an Atari 7800 utilizes.
Regardless, I have some great starting points now with some print resources I can attribute as sources as well as the Wiki chart (which by the way, Lendorien is leading a charge to update the Atari 7800 Wiki page....help out where you can!)
However any information that the community can provide would be greatly appreciated!
I think this would be a worthwhile effort, as long as there was a BIG disclaimer included for the benefit of newbees that said something explaining that the specifications are not necessarily indicative of the comparitive powers of each machine.
For example, and I think this is the point gdement was making, someone might compare the clock speeds of the Z80 and the 6502 and conclude that the Z80 was faster and more powerful, which is not the case when you understand how the two address ram.
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I like all the creative homebrew labels in the AtariAge store. Very colorful and artistic.
I just wish I had more money to buy some of them....

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One that I actually found was a boxed C64 breadbin, one of the first 2200 units produced, and perfect working condition (including power supply) for ten bucks. Lately a friend of mine who works at a Goodwill picked up a boxed Fairchild Channel F System II with all hookups, two controllers with a red button on the front (in addition to the standard ones), anda few game cartridges (including Alien Invasion) for five bucks.
Thats a great deal! I just recently got into the Channel F- it sure is funky, but there is something really retro-cool about playing Alien Invasion on it...
BTW I think threads like this are great. I know my wife just shakes her head at my game collecting, but it is nice to be able to share the excitement of these great finds with people who understand.

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It's almost too easy just head down to you local 2nd hand shop and pick up a table cloth and cut it down to size.
This is very true. My problem was I thought about making my own for years and never got around to it- too busy doing other things.
But 30 PayPal dollars later and voila- fits perfect.
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Where do these people come from? <<facepalm>>
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I like the looks of them too.
Gearhead, what is the backing like? Is it at all abrasive?
The backing is some sort of light colored fabric, and although it is not abrasive, it is not really velour or anything.
I think you would have to try real hard to get the cover to scratch a console...
Also, the stitching on the logo is done really well.
It would be great if a cover would be made to fit the 7800 + expansion module once that comes out.

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Currently I have many of my consoles covered in towels when not in use to keep dust off. The towels do a fair job, but since they're fabric the don't to a great job keeping dust off/out of the equipment.
Having the various consoles I have, old and new, I think it would be nice to have a set of matching vinyl or high count covers.
I'm no sewing master, but my wife isn't bad at it, and she's indicated she'd be willing to help. I can measure each piece of equipment and, through trial and error, try to make my own patterns. But to save that step, I'm wondering if there are patterns available?
Alternatively, does anyone here at AA make covers?
I think I'd like to start with my 2600, Colecovision and Intellivision.
I believe ebay member nannyssewingtreatsbarb is the wife of a forum member. She doesn't currently have anything for auction but you can see from the completed auctions the dust covers:
I have bought from this seller, and the covers are FANTASTIC! Highly recommended.
Definitely worth supporting her efforts, if just to keep covers like this available.

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Alright, I know this doesn't really count as a thrift find, but I just had to throw this one out there.
I snatched this up last month. 49 games, $39.99
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 130451643770
Read it and weep...
BTW, the River Patrol is immaculate.

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Does the flea market count?
If so, then I got a great deal on a whole Intellivision setup with all boxed games once for $10.
There was about 30 games including all the Imagic ones (with a perfect boxed Fathom
) plus several other real rare ones.The guy was selling the setup in a sort of bookshelf type thing from the 80's, and gave me that as well.


NES vs 7800
in Atari 7800
Posted · Edited by Tubular Gearhead
Yeah, maybe it is time I gave the NES a third or fourth chance. It is just a lot of "first impression" I have to overlook. I am sure there are some good games I am missing out on, but I just have a hard time getting past all the "most popular" ones that have been mentioned that I dislike so much. Like I said, when I think "Nintendo" I immediately think of SMB, funky Japanese graphics, kid themes, funky sprites with weird halos around them that look like they were pasted onto a tiled background, etc, etc.
Right or wrong...