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That was another thought I had. That will work, I'm sure. I don't know if I'll get to it tonight, but will tomorrow. I also think I might be onto something with part of our problem. I did not realize there was an indent-specification in this language/IDE. Now, thinking about the way our errors would move around, I gotta believe that is what is going on. We will definitely play tomorrow and I will report back.

OK, I didn't get to it yesterday as we had an emergency situation at work that I've been dealing with. But, I have now downloaded the 568 build of VbB. Now I have a question about "updating" my install -I did not find anything on your site (or here) in regards to updating an existing install or deleting. Do I just rip out the old directory, put this one in its stead, and re-run the configuration? Or is there an update process I need to be aware of? Or, do I uninstall / reinstall? I did not see it in the program list in control panel, so I assume it's not doing any registry updates. Thanks again, Allen

Random, I will try this stuff later tonight - Thanks for the links. As far as the password, he is a non-admin account, hence the UAC kicks in and asks for a password for an admin when being launched. It does not ask for pass on my account as I am admin. I'm sure there's a reason, but I haven't been able to wrap my feeble mind (at this point) around why it would need admin access. I am not about to lower security defenses on this newly built machine - considering the whole reason it was built is because the last computer that was there always had issues because people non-the-wiser couldn't leave well enough alone Thanks, Allen

So, we've officially taken the plunge and have gotten our feet wet w/ Atari 2600 programming. I have started to have my 9yo son begin using bB and VbB. He is coming over from learning programming using MIT's Scratch and I we figured this would be a fun way to start doing things more "real-world" (we have a Harmony Encore). We are running Windows 10 64-bit and bB version 1.1d.revenge37 and VbB 1.0_Build_554. I have him initially following along w/ the Tinkernut video. He had started a new project and got his playfield done and pu ove3r into the main editor, did his draw loop and it compiled and ran fine. Then he made some sprites and flagged me down for an issue when he dropped his sprites into the main editor it would not compile and run. This was a week ago. I looked at it yesterday with him (I have him every other week at my place) and it had a syntax error due to when he put the sprite code into the main editor, it looked normal (playerxxx: code end) but had inserted the actual file location (ie: C:\Atari2600\bB\My_project...sprite") on the line above the "playerxxx:" line. I had us backtrack and deleted the sprite code and used a drag-drop action to pull the sprite over from the right pane into the main editor into his default.bas and it put it over there correctly (w/o the file directory location), but we still were getting syntax errors when we added positioning (ie: player0x=50:player0y=50). Yes, we did rename playerxxx: to player0:). The syntax errors this time were on the position lines. Even after deleting the position lines totally, we were getting errors w/ the sprite coding. I eventually chalked it up to some hidden character being inserted by us somehow that we couldn't get rid of and had him start all over. We deleted the original project and started following along fine again until we are trying to drag the sprites over again. It again is now putting the file directory location above the coding. I have tried simply removing the line, but it will still give syntax error. After shuffling around some, deleting blank lines, etc, it will even give syntax errors on the "%0110001" lines of coding for the sprite. We have not touched those lines. I apologize I don't have more specifics on the syntax errors at the moment, but can tonight. I'll probably have him setup an account on here tonight as well. I'm just wondering if someone might have a handle on this -are we doing something incorrectly, or a known issue I did not find in a search? As an aside, why does VbB require elevated permissions? I had a heck of a time trying to get this to run on his user account w/o me having to type in a password - ultimately resorted to writing a PowerShell script to launch it for him w/ using a store pass. TIA, Allen

I agree, the pre-NES stuff and 8-bit computer stuff is getting less and less, unfortunately. I too, was on the hunt for C64 and VIC-20 stuff. Allen

I didn't get to do any of my "shopping" until 3pm Sunday 😒. But I did find a couple nice things and things on my want list: Mario Paint, Ninja Gaiden Black, Halo 1 & 2, Star Voyager CIB, and even an Arcadia Supercharger and Star Wars: Rebel Assualt II big box PC to just name a few. It's really nice to be on to rebuilding my original Xbox collection. I'm excited to start playing w/ the Supercharger -just gotta get some games. And the biggest win for me - K9 survived safely. So, now I can finish building him and find a space to keep him -he's in my office next to me as I'm typing this 😁 Allen

Have I missed it, or its there no list of the speakers and presenters this year? I missed out on this aspect last time, but would really like to see.

As last time, we should be easy to pick out. We're liking to make a thing out of the cosplay, and when there's 7 of us.... We will be in similar fashion as last time, but different. Let's just say I am still working on making little Enzo's costume for this year and he is sure to be as big, if not a bigger hit than last time playing a certain animal that's not quite an animal. That's all we'll say for now But, definitely hit us up! We'd love to meet up w/ others from the forum.

I have some NIB Apple II games that my friend has been holding onto for me in Germantown. I plan on picking them up finally from him when I come down. If memory serves they are Jungle Hunt, Galaxian, and/or Moon Patrol. If interested, I can bring with to MGC for $5 ea.

Youhit it right on the head - because the original controllers for the system are a combination joystick and one paddle. As far as I know there were never any specific 4-player joystic games for this console. It wouldn't even be possible hardware-wise. Fun fact: you can use the standard pairs of Atari paddles by leaving the selection switch on "joystick"

Anyone else going from Eau Claire, Twin Cities, Northern Wisconsin area?

Yeah, it definitely could have been a better 2015. We were scared to death. But, thankfully, we caught it early and she has responded great to treatment! Hopefully you get someone to help you do Jagfest.

We will be back this year. We had a great time at 2014! Unfortunately, we missed last year due to my store being closed before Xmas and was unemployed going into last year, and then Jen was diagnosed w/ breast cancer last year, which is why I haven't been on much. Jen is doing great and just finishing up last bit of radiation currently. Dan, I would have loved to help w/ Jagfest as we enjoyed it in 2014, but as you can guess w/ the whole fam. my time gets limited down there. Jagfest is awesome, though!

That's pretty cool, I like it. Nothing like a finished project. Even if it doesn't go as you originally thought. Sometimes it's better.

Very exciting news!

Looking to buy an original Pixels movie poster with Centipede artwork.... TIA, Allen

I loved the Gravis gamepad!

Need the CD tray faceplate for a model 1 Sega CD. Thanks, Allen

There were actually quite a few of them. The more well known systems that could play 2600 games were: Colecovision & Intellivision both had modules to play Atari carts, and then the Gemini. There were also others (Sears etc.). But then there were flat out pirated versions of the 2600 -usually over seas.

Great find! I have one, but no box and only one combo controller. But, it looks great (more modern) in the living room for playing 2600 games. One of these days I'm going to pick up 3 more controllers for it - looks like Best Electronics has then for ~$20ea. PICS!

I'd definitely be in for a set. Very cool!

I'm definitely waiting for a boxed copy to go next to my Princess Rescue!

I don't know about the foul smell -I haven't unzipped any of mine yet. But, being buried in garbage for 30 years, I would imagine it's quite pungent.

My initial thought is doing a shadow box or table with them scattered about and then putting some of that model train sand/glue mixture down around them. Making it look like they were buried. Haven't really fleshed details out in my head other than the overall thought. Was just seeing what everyone else's ideas were - to maybe help guide me to something better.