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It would be hard for anyone to "finish" since it was never really even "started". All there really is to work with is the title screen (which was completed) and a single screen shot from the Coleco game catalog. That's really not a lot to go on. Plus you don't know how the gameplay was going to work. It's not like the game is 90% coded and just needs some polishing.... One could certainly write a new game and call it Tunnels and Trolls, but how would you know it is Tunnels and Trolls as Coleco intended it to be? 877497[/snapback] When I was a kid I used to drool over that screenshot of Dracula, another unreleased Coleco game. I would love to finish that, but the gameplay was never revealed, so I think it is the same case as T&T... Eduardo 878557[/snapback] I suppose since Tunnels & Trolls is based on a board-type game, that if someone was to really do their homework they could take a pretty good swag at what the gameplay would have been like. On the Flying Buffalo we site, they sell an old Tunnels & Trolls game for the PC, so this might be a pretty good approximation of what the Colecovision version was to be. Perhaps if someone was to contact Flying Buffalo, they might even have some old notes lying around about the Colecovision version.

His joke went right over your head, huh? There's a old scientific saying that goes "the absence of evidence IS NOT evidence of absence", which is what the joke is getting at....

It's off to the right in the picture. Very hard to make out any details in the pic....

Hummm, me thinks maybe you need to study the picture closer to see what everybody is talking about... Since the cardboard inserts says "Free when you buy Sky Diver and Canyon Bomber", it think it is safe to assume that it was always these two games that were included. It seems pretty unlikely that they would print up a bunch random inserts to go with random titles....

Flying Buffalo (the creators of Tunnels and Trolls) appears to still be around and going strong: http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/tandt.htm Actually if you go to this link it is kind of humorous. It seems you and five fellow gamesters can go on an exciting weekend getaway to play Tunnels and Trolls with the creator Ken St Andre, all for the low low price of $199 plus room and board!!!

Clicking on the link works fine for me (I'm using Firefox).

BTW, here's a link to the Coleco catalog for Tunnels and Trolls.... Tunnels & Trolls

It would be hard for anyone to "finish" since it was never really even "started". All there really is to work with is the title screen (which was completed) and a single screen shot from the Coleco game catalog. That's really not a lot to go on. Plus you don't know how the gameplay was going to work. It's not like the game is 90% coded and just needs some polishing.... One could certainly write a new game and call it Tunnels and Trolls, but how would you know it is Tunnels and Trolls as Coleco intended it to be?

Oh, Atari was the KING of variations. Just look at the 2600 -- there are so many label variations, instructions variations, box variations, etc. I don't know what it was with them, but they were always tweaking something. The 5200 went through a bunch of variations as well -- maybe not as much as the 2600 -- but certainly a bunch (they went through 9 revisions of the controllers and still never got them working decently)....

I believe there are two major varities of "big" boxes. One that says "Supersystem" (or something like that), and one that says "Atari 5200" (or something like that). Many other things on the boxes are also different. Then there are the minor varities, namely the different stickers on the boxes (like you already mentioned).

Are you just talking about the "big" box varities? Because Atari also released the 5200 in a much smaller box (about half the size of the original) later on....

Worthless? No Worth less? Yes

The legendary Sanford "Spamford" Wallace????

Not mine, but just noticed this (only three hours left): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ssPageName=WDVW $2000 doesn't seem like too bad of price considering I haven't seen one for auction for several years....

There are games and demos that won't work with the ROM 03. The problem is these programs bypass the firmware calls and instead talk directly to the hardware. When the hardware changed for the ROM 03, these programs no longer worked. It is true that the ROM 03 has more code in firmware, but the OS loads this same firmware in to RAM for the ROM 01. So basically the ROM 01 gets patched at boot-up to exactly match the firmware of the ROM 03. The ROM 03 will be slightly faster since this firmware is in ROM rather than RAM, but the speed difference is so small that you'll never notice it. There are some slot mapping differences as have already been pointed out. But these again are very minor. The bottom line is there is no clear machine that is better. ROM 01 is a bit more compatible while ROM 03 has a few extra slot mapping features. At the end of the day the differences are so slight that IMHO it really doesn't matter which one you have....

Yea, like I said in my earlier post I bought it about a year ago but my Jaguar has been packed away for the last two years or so. So I have never actually played it. Hopefully once the kids get a bit bigger I'll have some free time again and finally have a chance to play it (but I'm beginning to wonder about that too). There must be somebody else who bought it and has played it on here. Anyone? Otherwise, if there is an easy way to tell what version I have, I could hook my Jaguar up and check it out....

Yep, SoulStar was on eBay -- though it may not be the final version. Here's an AtariAge thread: http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...898&hl=soulstar I did buy a copy from him. I remember that a lot of people here cried foul about the whole thing. The seller was pretty nice when I dealt with him. He said he wasn't trying to cause any problems and was going to quit selling them -- which he did....

I'm probably thinking of a different game, but I thought Soul Star had surfaced. Wasn't there a guy selling copies on eBay about a year ago? I think I even bought a copy from him -- I'll have to check when I get home (my Jaguar hasn't been set up for a couple of years due to the fact that I have two very young kids and thus very little free time)....

One word -- AWESOME!!! BTW, what's the game pictured between Skiing and Smurfs? It looks like Head-2-Head Football judging by the picture, but I can't actually make out the title. Too bad Coleco never release Skiing -- I remember drooling over the first-person screen shot they had in their catalog....

The best part is some of the puns that were used throughout the description. Oh, you may call them typos, but I call them a sign from above.... Not only will you be safe, you will also be saved: The "it god" Yes, I suppose that is more pollitically correct these days than referring to God as a he or a she: Of course, the seller doesn't guarantee anything -- except for eternal salvation by God!:

Yea, I realize we're splitting hairs at this point. I just think there is something intrinsically different between Tunnel Runner and say Night Driver. Hard to define what it is exactly though....

Okay, so I think then perhaps what DominiRican05 really meant to say is "I would've never thought a polygon game was possible on the 2600". This would rule out most or all of the games that ZylonBane lists as being similar to Tunnel Runner....

I think the real distinction in games is whether they are sprite-based or polygon-based (not whether they are 2D or 3D). The processing power required by a polygon-based game is significantly higher than a sprite-based game. I don't have Tunnel Runner, but I'm guessing it was not polygon-based and that no 2600 game was...

I'm thinking same thing -- when IS National Pac-Man Day? Seems like a forgotten holiday, kind of like May Day is these days too. What has the world come to when we no longer celebrate these treasured symbols of our past???

Is this it? Prototype unit: 1) Take any old extension cord you have lying around. 2) Cut off the female end. 3) Separate the two wires. 4) Strip each end of the two wires back about 1 inch. 5) Using duct tape, tape one wire to each side of your forehead*. *Note: A resistor or two might be needed. You may want to experiment on the family pet first to determine the exact value. Production plan: 1) Make millions of these. 2) Sell millions of these. 3) Profit! Disclaimer: This post is meant as a joke