What's stopping you programming the Jaguar? in Atari Jaguar Posted July 3, 2010 For a small project one could probably get away with the simplest single input makefile and just "include" or "incbin" the relevent sub components and get on with learning the machine? That might make it more palatable. IMHO, that's not a bad way to go. A while back, actually quite a while back now, I had a similar experience with OpenGL and C on SGI. Used to jam on those computers professionally and I really liked them. One day, I was reading something about OpenGL, and stumbled on a really great Oreilly demo code. It had just the basics, keyboard, mouse, and a graphics loop. I think it drew a cube, or something simple. Basically, it was turn on the lights, setup the polys, do your transforms, and such... The code filled maybe two screens. It was enough to build on, so I did. At first, I did my own shapes, then I built up an array of polygons with cool colors and had a few hundred of them spinning and moving on the screen. It took a bit to get each thing done. File I/O, graphics, etc... and ended up producing a nice little STL file viewer that was actually useful. On a modern machine, it can render maybe half a million polys no sweat, and do so at a reasonable frame rate. Viewstl is the project name, and it's still out there, if you want to see the rank amateur I am My point is that took maybe a few months to get done, and it was fun, and it was possible for somebody willing to think it through a little. I know there isn't something cool like OGL on the Jag, but maybe there could be. That spinning cube, or maybe sticking with 2D, sprites moving and bouncing maybe with the game controller might just get people cooking. The key is to take as many of the barriers away, leaving people with something they can just chip away on, getting stuff done. This was done years ago with my getting started lessons of JSII. They were available to everyone at one point. JagChris is the only one that ever bothered to use them. They were as simple and self explanitory as you could get. I even had idiots complaining about how 'pedantic' they were!!!! Imagine that!! Clearly I was'nt pedantic enough.