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God I have really learned to hate the Jag and the infiltrated part of the community.
I just have no desire to ever write another line of code for it again. So sad how a
jealous few can turn someone off like these clowns have with me.
"Jag Rules"
Make me an offer for my source code I can't refuse. Im done with it. Really. 7800 rules!
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So much for truthful debate.....I guess I'll be actioning off all my Jag stuff as I had planeed to this spring.
It seems this community has shown me nothing worth bothering for....7800 Im yours.
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God I have really learned to hate the Jag and the infiltrated part of the community.
I just have no desire to ever write another line of code for it again. So sad how a
jealous few can turn someone off like these clowns have with me.
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ME WANT!!!!
Sign me up when you make carts, I will definitely buy one!
But of course. No sign up necessary. I will release them as long as there are demands for them and parts
to make them....oh and yes of course they will be personalized to each buyer in the title screen to as I
have mentioned before. There will be a first batch of 50 carts and you will be able to purchase them from
Chicky Baby. POKEY and all....also I found out that I have around 10k of space left so there may be more
levels added. Does anyone know how to make these compatible with the High Score cart? Im sure I'll get a
few folks hoping for this.
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This is looking amazing! How much time have you put into this game so far? It looks somewhat similar to another game I've seen before... can't quite put my finger on it though.

I worked hard to not have it be that close to that game you are thinking of.
However it will have similarities....after all it is a multi mission space
shooter.

But I've put a few months into this over a year and a halfs time on and off.
Oh and did I mention that every cart will be a personalized cart to the specific buyer?
In the title screen in game.
It's much easier to do such a thing with the 7800 andit is my first 7800 cart so I thought I'd add a personal touch for everyone who buys
one.
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I'm not going to be egged on and I will not reply again.That would be a good tactic. He's just going to continue to pointlessly rant until it reaches the rabid foaming mouth stage and/or a threadlock, and since you've been around long enough you've seen it already.
On the topic of the work at hand, I hope it all works out well for everyone involved and the community.

Actually I think all of Gorf's points in this current 'rant' are absolutely valid and I stand behind them 100%.
JC...its remo for crying out loud....what else do you expect for the clueless one...He';s another free ride Jag fan
if you have not noticed.
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I'm not going to be egged on and I will not reply again.That would be a good tactic. He's just going to continue to pointlessly rant until it reaches the rabid foaming mouth stage and/or a threadlock, and since you've been around long enough you've seen it already.
On the topic of the work at hand, I hope it all works out well for everyone involved and the community.

Dont you have some place like freejag to go to?
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Gorf, I can go back in your history and look at all the times you have gotten into one of these
pissing matches and they never get resolved. It is a pointless back and forth that I am not interested
in being involved in. I've been here a long time and I know better.
Yup, lets duck the issue, change the subject and not answer one of my ACCURATE facts. Wonderful.
The fact is you dont know anything...else you would be able to shut me up with facts.Ther is
a TRUE slice of reality for you my friend.
But I do like you Gorf... your so classy.
Yeah like you waiting in lurk until someone who busted their ass shows a product so you can pounce?
That's some real class now isn't it?

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When you start breaking posts up I know better than to bother. Sorry but I'm not replying to that.
Now there is a real cowardly copout and non response.
That's rightyou know better because you dont have one damn thing
you can say otherwise. You know Im right or else you know you would
have something reasonable to say...unfortunately for you, you dont.
You just posted two pages of bitch and moan and when called on it, you show your true
colors....uninformed, clueless and waiting for a handout. nstead of being happy that
someone actually took the time to figure all this out, the first thing you worry about
is how you can demand it from them? For shame doc!
I'm not interested in getting involved in another thread like that in the Jaguar section of this forum.
That is because you came with nothing and will leave with nothing. YOu have no answer to the above.
My question has been answered. Have a good night Gorf.
Yes it has and quite accurately. Now we all await your amazing skills and hard work.
Good night indeed!
Now I know you actually a nice guy hyper but you need to get a grip on reality.
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The question as to whether or not we would see the release of the source changes is different from the commercialization question. That is important news for the community. The improvement and viability of the Jagdoom engine is important enough news to warrant a thread all its own. The Doom engine is a very flexible engine that can be used to make many different ideas and projects more viable. It has the potential to make coming into the Jaguar homebrew scene as a developer much easier and much more productive. As it is coming into the community as a developer is incredibly difficult especially in comparison to other platforms. I am involved in multiple cross-platform open-source projects that extend to even some consoles. Getting anything off the ground for the Jaguar has been a battle because working on those other platforms and those other projects is so much more productive.
Yup because like those other platforms, you all wait in lurk while those with REAL talent
work their asses off just so you can benefit. Getting anything off the Jaguar is a result
of it being BY FAR a much more difficult platform to deal with...if ONLY it were as easy
to work with as the A8,2600, 7800, and 5200 platforms. But again, what do I know....I only
coded for all of these in one form or another. I have never held back anything when asked
any techincal question I can answer honestly about any platform. This does not mean I owe
you or ANYONE everything I ever do. Im no friggin guru at all. I sat and with trial and error
as with Belboz and others, did our home work. NOw you want to copy it and hand it into the
teacher as your own? Amazing!
Again....Good day sir!
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Jeez... why does everyone think they can get a free ride from guys that started out with a big fat free ride?
And exactly who got a 'big fat free ride'?
Forgive me for wanting to see the community actually become productive and for not wanting to see another Jag product get pulled as your Gorf3D product had to be. I know that it greatly pained you and the Jag community as a whole. The reason the community is this way is not because of people like me.
Not even a close relative to the Gorf situation so spare us please.
Outside of a handful of us like Belboz, none of you that bitch and
moan have lifted a finger or tried on your own to do what we are doing.
You have every last resource we have and yet you still think we are
'hiding' something from you? NO, its that we are not willing to slave
hard over this stuff just so you can demand it from us when you have
done nothing.
It is because of the great wall of secrecy that everyone has built up.
Please....what secrecy might that be? I DARE you to show any such secrecy.
It has hampered this community hugely.
Really? So you mean all that source code Curt released two years ago hampered the community?
No, what hampered the community is people never doing a damn thing with any of that source code
while the few of us that have been busting our asses over the years can just give it to you?
Again, give me and everyone else who knows better a break please.
Open communities advance quicker and produce more as can be seen in the examples I listed.
I dont see it. I see a few really amazing things in those communities...the rest are hacks...
essentially graphics changes and title changes....no advancement there my friend. They are fine
but I hardly think they are ground breaking.
The Jag community is a shining example of what closed off development looks like.
It takes years for anything to happen and when something finally does happen the
benefit is seen mostly in the produced product alone.
Yeah sure....again, I point out not only the sources Curt released but also my lessons at JSII
and my main code workaround....all public domain. So what ever you are smoking, it would be nice
if you shared and maybe we can imagine this nonsense along side you.
Oh and for the record, do you know why you even have the dev tools for the Jaguar to begin with?
Yes, I went to Brain Storm and got every last tool from them...all 16 megabytes and posted them.
But hey, I'm such a selfish bastard are'nt I?
Scatologic, another bunch of evil secret bastards, they SAW TO IT that Hasbro released the dev
kit offically for EVERYONE to play. Guess what has happened as a result so far.....NOTHING!
Out side of a handful of us who actually put our money where our mouth is, the rest of you have
blamed us as being the problem. People like you who have not even the beginings of a clue of the
REAL history of our generosity to this every ungrateful and usually unproductive community.
There are exceptions to this such as the very successful release of the Jag development tools,
the Skunkboard and JCP, as well as numerous coding examples and the sharing of optimization
and functionality enhancements released by you Gorf.
With the sources I mentioned from Curt and this above, what the hell else do any of you need?
I'll tell you what....you want us to work for years on an original game and just hand out the
source so you can hack it? Is this productive? Yeah on our parts but certainly not any of you
who incesantly complain over that which you have not one clue.
But these are too far and few between and an exception they are.
See the above reality as opposed to your fantasy of what really has gone on.Every last one of you have EVERY THING you need including the source to DOOM at your
disposal for years and yet you still complain and want it handed to you on a silver
platter? I call shenanigans on you sir! You and every last one of you that bitch and
moan about us, when in reality it is your laziness and unwillingness to do your OWN
HARD work, waiting in lurk to pounce al over our labor and claim if for your own?
You have NO EXCUSE other than your own self unwilling to do what some of us have done.
Get a grip and realize you are whinning over nothing but your OWN lack of productivity.
Try working this hard, releasing a game and watchi get dumped a month later. Yu know not
what you are talking about!
Good Day sir!
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Why does every one think they have a right to a free ride? Sheesh....Well Belboz, now
you are no doubt about to get a little of what I've dealt with in this community for
years. Give something to it and you know that no good deed will go unpunished.

Of course ther are those that want to 'go back to sleep too'. As if they think they
can do better.
At any rate Belboz.....Nice job figuring out the old WAD files. Amazing how some of the so called 'experts'
could not do this. You obviously have mad skills in comparison. Great Work!

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I think anything that used a paddle in the arcade, should have done the same on a home version.
Same with a joystick. Games like Space Invaders would be unchallenging with a DC or paddle.
I think the 2600 should have come with a plastic stick insert for both sticks for games like
Robotron, Combat and Battle zone.
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Any other Circus fans out there? I can't stop playing this game; it's one of my favorites on the Atari and is much more enjoyable than breakout. Any other fans out there?
One of my all time fave's for sure.
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Warbirds should be tons O fun when it's done.
I hope so. Working toward that goal.
Now if only I can make it fit on a 32 k ROM. 
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This has nothing to do with the Atari Jaguar and should be moved to the PC/computers or Hacks forums.

REALLY! The last thing I want to hear about in an Atari forum, especially a Jaguar forum is moding
a controller for an X box 360. Irrelevance never had it so good.
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Good to know....I will need to know the exact way for the Eproms. Unless I invest in 32k OTP's.
Do you know if the pokeys are all working?
The board needs the inverter because /OE is active high on Atari's mask ROMs but active low on standard EPROMs (and OTPs as well, unless I'm mistaken). Fortunately the CO26461 board is already set up for it, and it's a cheap and easy modification to do; the extra hardware required will probably cost about 33 cents per board.
I don't think I've ever seen a POKEY chip go bad on one of these boards; the ones I've pulled have all worked fine for me.
Ok cool...I just realized, I have about 2560 bytes of room left to fit everything else.
YIKES!
I may need to go in and see about optimizing and removing any code that is redundant.
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CO26461's...there is a spot for a smaller chip too.
The smaller chip footprint (to the right of POKEY) is for a 74LS04 inverter, which you will need to add--along with a 0.1uF capacitor at location C2, I believe--to allow the board to support 32K EPROMs. You will also need to clip open the jumper marked W3, directly underneath the inverter.
Good to know....I will need to know the exact way for the Eproms. Unless I invest in 32k OTP's.
Do you know if the pokeys are all working?
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Ah, you edited while I was typing.
No, you can't use larger chips on the CO26461 board. Also, the larger C301105 Pokey board is somewhat uncommon.
Mitch
Sorry about that ....Well Im not out of room just yet and Im almost done with all the levels.
However I may not be able to fit the secret levels on there.
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Im just hoping I can fit this all on a 32 K chip or Im going
to have to get creative hardware wise and quickly. Never messed with switch banking for 7800 yet....yet.

You can do 48K without bankswitching on the 7800.
Mitch
Yeah but I have the 32k bords will they still work?
Which board do you have? Is it the CO24926 Atari board?
Mitch
CO26461's...there is a spot for a smaller chip too.
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Im just hoping I can fit this all on a 32 K chip or Im going
to have to get creative hardware wise and quickly. Never messed with switch banking for 7800 yet....yet.

You can do 48K without bankswitching on the 7800.
Mitch
Yeah but I have the 32k boards with POKEYS(Yes POKEY sound). Will they still work?
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It looks fantastic! I'll definitely be buying a cart (or two) assuming a release is forthcoming.
tjb
You will get these from ChickyBaby as a 3DSSS release once they are finished. There will be some time to go yet.
Probably when its warm again....hopefully.
Im just hoping I can fit this all on a 32 K chip or Im goingto have to get creative hardware wise and quickly. Never messed with switch banking for 7800 yet....yet.

Oh crap! I just noticed, thre is no mission text in War Wings.... DOH!...Ill have to fix
and update that shot.

EDIT: Shot of War wings repaired!

Hmm, 3DSSS + MilfTech should be interesting. Will there be naked chicks on the box?
tjb
There will be no MILF tech on my games. An not one naked person anywhere.
Chicky will be sole distributor but it will be a sole 3DSSS release.
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It looks fantastic! I'll definitely be buying a cart (or two) assuming a release is forthcoming.
tjb
You will get these from ChickyBaby as a 3DSSS release once they are finished. There will be some time to go yet.
Probably when its warm again....hopefully.
Im just hoping I can fit this all on a 32 K chip or Im goingto have to get creative hardware wise and quickly. Never messed with switch banking for 7800 yet....yet.

Oh crap! I just noticed, thre is no mission text in War Wings.... DOH!...Ill have to fix
and update that shot.

EDIT: Shot of War wings repaired!

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Here is the latest snap shots of Warbirds. Still more work to be done but the first four levels
are practically complete. Now working on the Boss level, and may throw in a bonus secret level
that you get when you accomplish a certain feat of fancy.
Mission: Astral Assault
Mission: Battle Beams
Mission: Death Squad
Mission: War Wings
Mission: Momma Bird
All I can say is WOW! Please sign me up!

All in good time my friend. All in good time.

Just remember, the longer I work on a title, the
better it becomes.
Still much to be dealt with. Glad you like what you see.
I'm pretty sure you'll like what you play just as much
if not more.

Doom licensing thread
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The machine is great yes and was the apple of my eye but the assholes associated with it dont
deserve the time of day. Im tired of waiting over a decade for a renderer and quiet frankly
have much better things to do with my time. The 7800 has fans that REALLY appreciate the efforts
without the complaints(except on or two) but here it seems like every other JAg person is a dumb fuck.