Gorf
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I guess Jackass is a little harsh. I just can't see spending so much money on a game. I just scratch my head when I see the bidding that has gone on for a video game. Just seems a bit much for me.
Your decision is certainly understandable. Just always allow others to enjoy something
you may not. I could never afford such a cart but nonetheless, the game is fantastic
and poor ol' Palmer just happens to dig it.
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Yeah dude! that looks most interesting indeed! As far as the rotary stuff goes, I have been playing around with an old CX-22 track ball and an ST mouse and a 8 pack of driving controllers from the 2600.
I have similar switching issues like Tyrant brought up.
I did not really read all your specs fully so , forgive me if i missed, but I had four rotaries hooked up at once for a 3D warlords like game I threw together and they worked fine. The track ball and mouse cant work together or with anything else unless you power it seperately(well at least the way my circuit was set up.)
I think its that column and row addressing scheme and the
common is switched to the current row of switches...or is it the columns...whichever.
I want to avoid a seperate PSU and still be able to have two track balls on one port. It's not really even needed for a gam like Warlords but it would be neat to beable to hook up multiple devices with out a seperate supply.
I have to imagine there is some chip or circuit out there to use that supply from the port for all and avoid losing power to the powered devices like track balls and mice, and still read the no powered stuff
too.
Any suggestions?
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Man is he incredible...did I miss this info or did anyone mention the platform this
is for?
I think Im blind now just from trying to follow what was going on. Some of the
most impressive effects indeed but just way too busy. My one and only complaint
with the other Tempest updates. Either he is doing serious LSD or he is simply on
a whole different plane than we. I really think he is made of silicon, this Minter guy.
Amazing though, nonetheless.
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Blame the 68k and programmers unwillingess to turn it off after
booting the game. you can not expect a 64 bit bus to get max
performance when you choke it constantly with a half speed,
quater buswidth processor.
How is bus arbitration among the multiple processors handled on the Jaguar? I would think that a well-designed system should allow a 68000 to co-exist pretty nicely on a 64-bit bus with other devices. If the bus interface unit contained a 64+18 bit latch for data and address, along with an address comparator, it would only have to fetch one 64-bit chunk of data for every four words of instructions fetched. Adding another 64+18-bit latch for data fetches would provide some further improvement, though not as much as the first set of latches.
Does the Jaguar do anything like that, or is it more sophisticated or less sophisticated?
Bus arbitrationis completely up to the programmer for the most part. The
bus management is pretty non exsistant and you need to pretty much
watch where you step so to speak. Essentially, the bus is managed in such
a way that as long as the 68k is active, it is the bus master. Bad move space
cadet!
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Hey Palmer about my nonsense. If you paid a couple hundred dollars for any video game you are a complete JACKASS.
Well you know dude, if some one likes something, they usually are willing to pay alot for it.
Value is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. Though I understand the sore spots of some
who can't phathom the expense, there are others who gladly will and do, and they are hardly jackasses for it. Sure you can argue that they might find better things to do with thier money,
but that is really up to the individual, dont you think? The truth is, you may not like the cost
and even I can understand it, but its easily the most impressive game on the Jaguar today.
Perhaps a little grace toward the hard work and effort that was put into the game, would be
a little more palettable, no? If you liked Star Raiders at all, there is no way you can miss with
this game. It's chock full of features and variations, just like the good old 2600 games.
Who knows, maybe some day you will actually get to play it and learn to apperciate a master
piece effort like this. I have a feeling you will think very differently if you ever get the chance.
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So we haven't seen/will never see a game for the Jaguar that really uses all of the Jaguar's performance?
TOOLS!!!
The current ones are just plain awful and certainly dont deal with the new discoveries of the GPU's main local jumping abilities. In fact they do not
really consider anything BUT the 68k for the most part. The Jag tools are 68k
based and very little use to the RISC's other than an assembler not written to
handle the now known ablitlies to jump around main and to and from local.
Trust me when I tell you the ability to code stuff the new way with the right
tools will make all the difference in the way the Jaguar performs. Of course
sloppy code is only defeating the purpose, so you must code neatly. Most rules
are the same except no 68k choking the life out of the system.
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Blame the 68k and programmers unwillingess to turn it off after
booting the game. you can not expect a 64 bit bus to get max
performance when you choke it constantly with a half speed,
quater buswidth processor. Until developers are willing to forget
that 68k exsists after boot up, you will never see what the jaguar is REALLY capable of. I Believe IS i & II and BattleSphere are examples
in the right directions of where the Jag could go. I remember Dan h.
of Eclipse said that they still did not exhaust the poly pushing abilities of the Jaguar even in ISII.
just my $0.02
Is that how Gorf was programmed? Just used the 68k to boot strap the system then shut it off? I may be wrong but I think BS used the 68k for processing controller input.
No, no not at all!.... 
...Gorf Classic is 90% C coded 68k. It did not need to use the other processors as it is only a simple 2d tiny
sprite engine that the OPL and 68k are more than capable of handling.
'Surrounded!' on the other hand only uses the 68k to perform a vblank
and help the GPU jump from main and local. Well that is how it used to
do it. Now the 68k only does the vblank. That too will be removed from
the 68k and done in the GPU.
The last three projects i've started for the Jag I have the GPU doing ALL
the jumping both to and from main and local now sucessfully and I have
good ol' Atari Owl to thank for that. He figured out that part and most
cleverly I might add! Another pair of good eyes such as his is always
welcome.
If all these recent discoveries work like we hope, we should start seeing
some seriously improved apps on the little black kitty. I love my Ste and
its 68k, but it should have never been used in the Jag or restricted to boot
up duty only.
I understand the flawed thinking of the warm and fuzzy feeling
for adding it, but warm and fuzzy can and did in most cases become all to
comfortable and the games suffered as a result. Im quite sure, given the
source code of any game out there relying on the 68k even a little bit, I could
improve its frame rate significantly.
I haev moved one or two lines of code from the 68k to one of the RISCS
and notice a difference in some cases. That chip is just that much of a
detriment. NOw if they had use the 68k on a seprate bus with say, 64k
of ram to do all the AI, that would have been a vast improvement as the
risc's would rule the main bus and the 68k would do all the gam logic off
bus and out of the way and only feed the DSP and GPU the info it needed
through a small unified ram buffer, dual port so no waits or stalls.
THAT would have been smokin! 64k is plenty of space for game logic.
man can i blab!!!
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Blame the 68k and programmers unwillingess to turn it off after
booting the game. you can not expect a 64 bit bus to get max
performance when you choke it constantly with a half speed,
quater buswidth processor. Until developers are willing to forget
that 68k exsists after boot up, you will never see what the jaguar is REALLY capable of. I Believe IS i & II and BattleSphere are examples
in the right directions of where the Jag could go. I remember Dan h.
of Eclipse said that they still did not exhaust the poly pushing abilities of the Jaguar even in ISII.
just my $0.02
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You just broke the straw my friend. You poor sport. how sad your life must be. Cant win an argument that you start so you lock the thread. And I am supposed to be giving and loving
and kind to you? Sniff....go drink your sour milk.
Albert. Im sorry it came to this.
Oh yeah go ahead and delete this one too Tempest..you little spoiled bart!
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You just broke the straw my friend. You poor sport. how sad your life must be. Cant win an argument that you start so you lock the thread. And I am supposed to be giving and loving
and kind to you? Sniff....go drink your sour milk.
Albert. Im sorry it came to this.
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So, we will be seeing Surrounded sometime soon? This is awesome man, can't wait for the game dude. Good luck GORF, and keep it rolling brother!
Oh no you did not just ask ME for a time line!
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I never questioned if it was your right to apply for a patent. I questioned the bragging about it, that's all.
And just where did I do that? Now you are really imagining things.
SOME people tend to call other peoples accomplishment they announce
braggin when it does'nt make them look good or take attention away from
them selves. Is this your trouble? It is sure seeming like it. Hey , I know
misery likes company but im not into misery, even though its dished out
to me constantly by jealous , envious and hateful people not unlike yourself,
actually. But hey, if that is what floats your boat.
You do seem to think a lot of yourself...
Tempest
Yeah self esteem is good. You should try it some time. Maybe you wont
pick on others accomplishments and hey..maybe you will learn to congrat-
ulate people instead. OR maybe keep your fighting to yourself till you know
the whole deal. Oh but yes, if you dont know the deal your assumtions are
justification enough to start unecesary shit with the fan base, right?
ok!
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Yes I would love my name on a Patent, (I envy my Boss on a regular basis due to his name
I have yet to reneg on a promise to the Jag fans.
I know you dont understand it yet but you will. It is
for the betterment. I know you aer all in a tizzy but
I promise you it will all be made clear. Beat on me if
you must but it the price you pay when doing nice
things sometimes. You know what..it's still worth it
knowing some will appreciate it.
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Anyone wonder why there are not loads of developers ?????? hang around a while it's apparent
Because a lot of people are not interested in seeing new stuff being developed. The collector value of development tools are low enough to let certain collectors (idiots) feel rich, but high enough to keep developers (intelligent people) away.
Now, I'm not innocent, but when I was interested in developing for jaguar some years back, there was no way I could afford getting the stuff needed. Now I can afford it (and bjl is available), but I'm not interested in that anymore.
Yeah, yeah , whatever.
Who needs loads when you have a few good quality ones?
All I've seen the past few years has been a lot of smoke. I'd say the scene died after battlesphere.
Hang tuff, we are trying
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Comeon people, this is the Jaguar community we are talking about here.
I hear they eat their own young. j/k
Oh now stop...or we'll eat you!!!!
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If you have to ask that you obviously don't pay attention around here.
Trust me, the moderators pay attention around here. More so than some people seem to think.
Tempest
You have quite a lousy attitude if you are a moderator. You pounce on me
for something that is totally my (right like it or not) and it sounds like sour puss
whinning. Your actions and posts are exactly why others dont bother with the
Jaguar. Why willingly place your ass out to have it handed to you whe all you
intend to do is help out? Me on the other hand could not give a rats tail end what
you think about me or my patent. I have nothing to provw as I havw certainly
shared myself through out the community. that is what this whoel thing is for
and because you cant figure out the benefit, dont pick on me! Sheesh!
Oh and as far as touting your accomplishments? Perhaps I think more of mine
than you do of yours, eh? Ther is no need to be ashamed nor is there shame in
beind proud of a good accomplishment. Im sorry this embitters you so.
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Why don't Gorf issue a no-limit permission, without any demands for compensation for his patent for original jaguar software and be over and done with this? (I personally found the post repulsive at first, but after reading the thread, I just think Gorf got ahead of himself, wanting to brag a bit)
Jaguar stuff will be exempt from the patent, and gorf get the glory, and even some money if it shows up in software for other platforms.
just my 2 cents.
To Gorf: Congrats on your patent. I don't know what it is, or if it is worthy of a patent. Considering the numerous patents that are granted that doesn't deserve it, particularly when it comes to software patents, I am a little bit sceptic. But if you got one through the checks, congratulations, it's not for everone.
this is not software so much as a method of software. There are too many people
who worry over nothing around here. sound really more like guilt before accusation
to me. I never once accused or implied i was plannign to hoard it. but you know
what? Maybe I will now. I see that there are those who are'nt just happy with the
free offer I was planning so now, I'll just give it to those who have supported me
and my patents.
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>>>>>Gorf said: This post is to put the public on notice.
Though I have already copywritten the 'Jaguar GPU Main Code Method',
for reasons obvious, I am in the process of applying for a U.S. and
International patent on the 'Jaguar GPU Main Code Method'.
Steven Scavone, C.E.O., 3D Stooges Software™. <<<<<
I just wish he'd write some games and sell 'em. So far I only managed to 'win' Gorf for an over-inflated price on ebay (Something which he objects to as well, so he says!!!)
Nobody forced you to bid on it and there was a lot of hoopla about the release about the year ago so don't blame him because you missed out on it.
And really, how long was I announcing to be prepared to order? At least a
month before.
Ah the sour grapes of wrath upon me!
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>>>>>Gorf said: This post is to put the public on notice.
Though I have already copywritten the 'Jaguar GPU Main Code Method',
for reasons obvious, I am in the process of applying for a U.S. and
International patent on the 'Jaguar GPU Main Code Method'.
Steven Scavone, C.E.O., 3D Stooges Software™. <<<<<
I just wish he'd write some games and sell 'em. So far I only managed to 'win' Gorf for an over-inflated price on ebay (Something which he objects to as well, so he says!!!)
Hey I told you to be patient!
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Pantent away my friend!! As long as good games come out of it that's all I care. And PLEASE be sure to make cartridge versions of these creations. Congrats on your new method, you deserve to have your name stamped on it. Don't listen to the haters
Thank you so much for a civil response!
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I mean come on guys..how cool is it to be able to say you own your own a patent.
Cant you understand?
People who apply for patents just to say they have a patent are the most useless people I know (wasn't that a song lyric?). We have more than enough of these ego hounds where I work and they tend to be the most arrogant and useless people at the office.
But congrats on the patent, now you can say you have one. Ooooo! Can I breath the same air you do? Can I touch you? Can I bask in your magnificant radiance for just a little while?
Tempest
And you done what for the community?
Ther is always a dead beat big mouth like you in the crowd.
I laugh at you and your bitterness.
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Hello all,
so far you had to have either an Alpine board or a similar cable-based upload-solution to be able start the CD-encryption tool, now i have added another option: Just use your Jaguar-CD-player!
This week i have modified my RAM-based version CDEN16.ABS of the CD-encrytion tool in a way which allows it to run from CD, as soon it is started it will ask you to open the lid of the Jaguar-CD-player and to insert the desired un-encrypted CD it should process for you (the result of the encryption-process will be send to your PC via a serial connection, see my CD-encryption-tutorial for details).
You can find CDRecord-tracks as well as CD-Images for DiscJuggler and Nero of this "CD-encryption-CD" in the "Tools"/"CD creating" section of my Jaguar-site.
Kind regards
Matthias
Fantastic work again as usual Matthias! You rock man!
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It means nothing other than me being an egotist. did you not read Linko's post?
It is nothing to be concerned about as I plan to release the method to everyone.
I just want credit for it becasue I worked very hard at it. So yeah, mabye it is ego.
Oh well...such is life!
ok
See..he get's it..
I mean come on guys..how cool is it to be able to say you own your own a patent.
Cant you understand?
It is simply an achievment I am proud of. I want the patent as a reward to myself
and nothing more. Everyone stop reading into this more than it really is.
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I wish I could eb more helpful with the BJL thing but I have been spoiled rotten for years now with the alpine.
I should burn a BJL CD and mess around again.
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However the actual priority is, the 68k may as well have top priority as it totally
kills the bus. You would think the priorities mattered, and to some extent they do
but really for nothing more than to keep the chips from stepping on each other.
Remember, the MMU is broken ( so they claim, but I think its a combination of this
and the pipeline. I dont think it is boken but acts differently according to who and how
many procesors are active at the time.) and that certainly does not help this move
along correctly. I know folks who have treated the Jaguar system as if it were a 2600
essentially using only the GPU and blitter to write directly to the frame buffer. Most
impressive as the GPU will run out of main and jump to and from local with no special
coding techniques. So the GPU and it's abilities to access main are different depending
on who else is live and not really ' broken'. It works fine but you have to work a little
harder as again, none of the tools consider these issues. The one smart thing they did
in the Jag was allow ALL processors to be disabled. Like I have said before, the more
code I move over to run on the riscs the faster the app runs and sometimes as little
as one or two line makes a noticable difference.