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I don't know why. I also dont believe you (nor Curt) understood a single word I said. I've not lost any love for the classics or the 7800. I think for one it's a waste of time money and effort to bother resurrecting a chip that is way obsolete and for yet another, how many more times are we going to port the same old classics? It would be nice to see some updated graphics and sound but the same thing over and over? Familiarity breeds content I guess...maybe that's my problem. Also, This is in no way, shape or form a put down on your efforts or Curt's for that matter. Both are amazing and well done but to what end is all Im asking. Now if Curt want's to keep the die around to make a run for replacements, that's a useful reason. But will we ever see it do anything more than that? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Who me? Im not in the least bit depressed. Drugs dont cure depression anyway. They just hide the problem. I for one like to think myself a realist. If you want to waste time and money for something, by all means dont let me stop you. I also know you understand just how much I love the 7800 as well a classic arcade games. However, there comes a point where it's time to move on and realize you are never going to 'resurrect' the 7800 or the old classics to a point that even comes close to what they once were. If you really believe this I have some land in East Rutherford to sell you. If that's not your cup of tea, there is a nice bridge in Brooklyn that might be more your style?

Since our current govt wipes it's ass with it any more, might as well. Wont see me shead a tear. Never liked anything from Apple....including Woz. Since they bury relics and fossils in their basements that would re-write their precious fanatsies about how the world really came into being, they might as well. To me the worst lie is the one with the most truth in it. Less than 100% is still a lie and the closer it is to 100% without achiving 100% is the most nasty of lies.

The 020, the fixed write backs, REAL tools, along with a double buffered blitter reg file would have been much simpler, more practical solution and would have easily competed with the PS1. Even to the point where Sony might have had to rethink it's own design to really make others think twice about selecting a current PS1 design over a properly done Jag. And to agree with KSkunk, you could by a nice PC with a monster graphics card for the cost of the Jag you are dreaming about. 4 megs ram might have been better too but 2 megs would have worked.

Ah I see.....your one of the half glass full types so forget us glass half empty types? That's kinda bigoted, dont you think? Besides, the fact is Im niether of the two, instead a realist. I've seen enoughbroken promises in the Jaguar community to know the difference. I've been in the Jag community longer than some of you have been alive. I've been in the Atari community longer than MOST of you have been alive.

Good point.

Hopefully Owl will still be looking forward to it's devlopment as well. I think racing has stolen his heart once again. I can't say I blame him either.

Sorry but I dont see how.

The only thing that makes BS a problem is the lack of ability. The only networking space shooter reminiscent of the awsome Start Raiders makes it a killer app in my opinion. Still one of the best AI and game logic engines of all time. Towers II? Not a RPG fan at all. Perhaps Owl's RPG will change this. The poly/voxel engine is rather incredible on it's own merit.

A fan base is not the issue. There is a large fan base right here in the USA. It's the work ethic and honesty issues more than anything.

So far the only possibilities I've seen are repeats of old classics....trust me. I'ev wasted plenty of time wanting to resurrect the oldies but goldies...however, how many times does anyone actually play them once they played through them? In gaming, we need a 'new drug' but I dont have much hope for that. After what I've seen released over the past decade, Im not very hopefull. Fromt he classic systems and especially the new over powered and greatly under used newer systems. As far as I am concerned, both Sony and Microsoft can give away their new systems and I would not be intersted. Wii? A better attempt but really, besides a different controller scheme that keeps you from gaining a fat ass, what have they done that is so special?

In all seriousness, I have to ask.....Why? I say let it go man.

To be honest, I think the Jag has run it's course. I feel the Skunk was a great product but probably the last decent one you will ever see for the Jaguar. However.... Most developers that really understand the machines power have moved on (me included) to other more important matters of life. The fan base is to fickle and to willing to accept anything just for the sake of having a new game. There are just way too many uninteresting projects to justify bothering anymore. Too many have sought ways to circumvent the developers efforts by copying and downloading recently released games causing losses to said developers. I for one do not see any real purpose for any type of Jaguar specific shows and perhaps the remaining fan base should just show up at the classic gaming events still happening around the world. Gaming in general has become rather repetitive and the few major genre of games are in my opinion a lot of the same old same old.....beating a dead horse if you will. I feel the lack of new and original ideas in gaming will everntually kill the game market as a whole. All the power in todays machines are wasted on four genre and quite frankly, I see nothing much left to gaming but fighters, racers, FPS andway too many repeats of them. I feel it is best explained right here from this old and wise ancient writing. "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full: unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. All things are full of labor; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after."

Well no offense to Minter, but the video's I saw of it were hardly intersting, so if that is his damage he really needs to get over it an move on. Yeah great video effects but the game looked like it would bore dead people to tears. I also think Tempest has well ran it's course with all the versions. I myself wasted a year and a hlf on a version For PC for pretty much nothing. No love loss here. I think the 2600 version I started might be more intersting if I even had the interest to bother. HOwever, I've not written a line of code in many months and have no plans to do so ever again. I think I've basically am all coded out and gamed out as well.

I bet that's the problem you're experiencing. I'm glad I got out of selling consumer electronics - but last time I did (mid 2000's), I can tell you that soooo many people (especially gamers) brought their LCD's back. To this day you hear gamers complaining about 'em (even the 120hz models). Personally, I like Plasma better for gaming and will keep CRT's for most all my other classic gaming. I have one of those old projection units with low resoution and once in a while hook things up to that. Like a big old CRT screen....you can see some of the jagies but not nearly as bad as todays flats.

I like Minter better with facial hair.....he looks too normal all clean shaven and what not. Minter is anything but normal.

No it's here. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=v8hPclGzly0

Clean some of the crap out of your ears, you've got to much built up from dealing with to many asstards in business. I can hear it just fine, you want a transcript old man? Old man? Oh snap!

I have one. $1k and its yours. C'mon... it'll be good for the both of us. I get to heat my home for the winter and you'll get to play all those wonderful high quality Jaguar games (except Gorf, long story - don't ask) or develop your own Act now and I'll even throw in an extra label, just in case you don't like this one: Niether Gorf OR Mad bodies will run from a Skunk Board even if you did ILLEGALLY dump it to try. Love the avatar BTW.

What about haiving a separate DRAM chip onboard the same package, but independent from the processor die? Was that still experimental as well? DRAM was just not practical for this sort of application, especially since both cost and performance hits would come into play. also keep in mund as KSkunk pointed out that the number of pins would and the fact that most DRAM's of the time were 16 bits. It would have greatly complicated the design im sure.

You can always remod to do this if warranted, however.... I feel you are justified in your reasoning since I too doubt you will see anyone bothering to port the lib. Dont cross them too hard. From what I understood the port is no simple task unless you have some reasonable USB lib experience.

Yeah it's one of the few good design choices they made. DRAM would suffer from all sorts of performance issues and foot print issues. The RIC's would have been pretty lame using DRAMS. Especially back in the day of the Jaguar. I think my revised senerio with Tom, Jerry and another RISC core with a larger local would have been more cost effective and performance rich.` The writebacks would be one thing I'd fix on the register file of the RISC's.

My thoughts more or less.

Interesting notions. I for one would love to see a menu system of sorts where full games could be loaded from a USB mass storage device. But isn't the mini-USB port hooked up all the same? IF so, theoretically... all you'd need is a hub then. KSkunk or Tursi would be better able to answer that but if I remember correctly they are not the same as the uploader port. As far as the miniport...I think it is just setup for communication between the Jag and your computer, but again, KSkunk or Tursi would have the correct answer.

Interesting case mods....however, what will you do if someone comes up with a useful way to incorporate the other two usb ports? I know there a re a few folk who have contemplated using those. It would be some work involved as whomever decides to use those would need to port over the USB lib code to use in the Jaguar. It would be cool to be able to use USB based controllers and even USB to ethernet for online multiplayer gaming on the Jag....all which could be possible if someone goes through the trouble. Then again, to allow decent performance in a more complex 3D game, the lib would have better to be ported to the RISC's using the main code workaround Atari Owl and I discovered.