Osgeld

those are for preteen kids in the 1980's though, welcome to 2013, if A kid has any intrest in becoming the next apple hacker the info is available along with a community to hold their hands well past the contents of a 25 year old book, compute is not going to tell you how to bit bang a SSC card, originally maxed out at 9600 on some machines to talk at 115200 baud, a apple magic copywrite 1980 is not going to tell you how to do 560x192 mono on a II+ yea, I am talking to you, you brought up how hard it was to program the darn machines, its not, its so much simpler than atari or commie machines cause your not dealing with a handfull of OTHER chipsets that require magic to even talk to your making a mountian of a mole hill, cause compute is not scanned you cant program an apple, sorry, theres hundreds of text files detailing 30 years worth of bit twiddling and a active community ready to awnser any question cause they are starved to death for any conversation, but thats not good enough as I understand.

and if your reading the books your going to get a 30 year old asm listing with a discription on EXACTLY what that code does and nothing else, be realisitic what can you do with an apple 2? dude you have 2 screens a max of 64 K of native ram, and not much of anything else, its not really black magic and if you cant program a 30 year old computer based on the endless amounts of documentation then dang dude ... btw what kids are you refering to? how many kids are going to program for a 30 year old platform, in raw assembley, too lazy to read plain text without a pretty picture, ask for info on the comp.sys.apple2 groups, and not take advantage of the C and pascal compilers they can write on their 18 core 9 ghz monster facebook machines? blown out of proportion to the 10th degree and in 2013 if I were to make programming fun for a kid I would choose lua (EGSL or love 2d to be exact), not something you have to diddle software toggle switches the info is out there it just seems that unless its a amazon listing pirated for free its not worth reading to learn something, or am I wrong? PS: IP piracy in the past has done a ton of good for commodore and atari users, cause look at where they are today... gone

thats a lot easier to read, thanks

its really not that hard of a computer to deal with, its a 6502, some ram, a single bit for sound and a shift register for video. There are an uncountable number of documents that explain every aspect of the machine, and heck 70% of it fits onto this poster, even those core manuals can be loaded with info, right down to the schematics. (the GS technical reference even gives you every single detail about every protocol and procedure in the machine) Archival wise I do think books should be preserved, but from a programming standpoint, every single little detail of the machine is out there and available if your looking, 3rd party books never give anything special to that, unless you live in pre 1990, dont have a modem and have no other means to learn.

I havent seen a big wishlist, but if your looking, the biggest collection is on asimov ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/

Thats a shame dave, but I agree, if its just a annoyance on 2 games, and you dont feel confortable, or motivated to go messing around inside, possibilly making things worse I wouldnt mess with it either

this Apple II user, have been since the 80's, is only 34, and there are many apple II people like me, who will give you all the information that they know, so its a little unfair to say we are a bunch of crabby old gereatics who dont know how to use modern machines just cause you cant get a scan of a copywrited book.

I almost take offence to that, its not the users, the users will share like mad ... but there is much more respect for copyright in the general population. The CD sellers are just clowns from a bygone era I have personally had the fortune to skip

my rule of thumb is if anything analog and old goes weird check the caps

I have had decent luck with the stuff, my most ghetto version was using 10 quarts of standard off the shelf drug store, topped off with a little water to ensure a good bath, saturated with oxy clean knock off and left in our early spring sun for an entire day (we get really hot here so I had to do it when it was still fairly cool to prevent warpage) The whole deal cost me like 15 bucks, and it took my Apple IIc from a dried yellow mustard color, to brand new. That was about 3 years ago, about 6 months later it did start to tan again (easily noticed by the handle which is still factory white) today its tan, but still 10000 times better than it was that little box sitting on it is pretty close to its factory color, but you can tell by looking at the switches on the upper left of the keyboard. The keys were brown and now, even after tanning a little, still retain the platnium color. See that monitor in the background, this computer was easily 4x more yellowed than that, it was fugly.

I would like to, but I live in the states, and a plane ticket for a workshop is not in the budget

from what I understand the GS was designed years before it came out, as someone else pointed out Jobs had a hate on for the apple II, and the GS would have just blown away a 128k mac, not in term of power, but in terms of most of your II stuff worked with it, it was mac like, and it had color so why buy a mac? once Jobs is gone, Sculley was just keeping the ship on a mac course, then people started wondering about the future of the II line. Keep in mind that back then a computer would cost thousands of 1980's dollars, but you also had thousands more tied up in extra hardware and software (where a grade A word processor might run you 300+), so Sculley said "never fear", here is a new C (the IIC+) then dusted off the GS and said "you know you want that!" Though it was a bit too late, the second gen mac's were appearing, Atari's and Amiga's were much more powerful and the PC was starting to not suck. I dont know how seriously they took it other than to appease the apple II people, which they ended up cutting off cold turkey in 92

if your not in a rush ... Itead studio http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html 10, 10x10 cm for less than 30 bucks for the prices and quantities listed by my co-forumer above you can get 3 day turns in your hand by the end of the week from almost any proto house

pong on a micro is quite easy, its another to do the whole thing in what amounts to a chain reaction of delays

I fail to see how its less acessable as it part of google groups vs here where I spent a month thinking I needed to subscribe to a paid service, then 2 days of not being allowed to post, google groups seems friendly

you can play choplifer, and most other games with just they keyboard, it kind of sucks though

google fail https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.sys.apple2