Jakandsig

I want the complete answer I only have a piece of the answer because even with the fact the claim of 2600's and other consoles being sold before the NES in 1986, there are still people who say the NES saved gaming and I want to know why and instead of answering they're names are jess reagan and they call people confederates.

If I am looking for an answer how did I lose? Also since you are the desperate one spinnig and no on agrees with you aren't you the confederate redneck who refuse to admit he lost?

Both did not really come up with many things original, but only one side lies about it.

There seems to be a lot of people thinking that Nintendo saves Console gaming as a downplay on gaming in general but does that really make sense when the market was still selling millions of games and the 2600 managed a million+ a year before the NES came out? Seems to me the market was already back before Nintendo was involved.

I hear the the Creativision was released ahead of its time. With power rivaling systems to even the 7800 days. Although having owned one before it broke ost of its games are either "unique" clones or original titles instead of arcade port rights of popular games, it has an interesting library of games. From the design it seems like it's a colecovision, but when you see the games in action...

There were platform games that scrolled horizontally and vertically even on consoles before SMB. Not sure why people think scrolling was a new thing.

So you're a 40 year old virgin?

This is why you are a fanboy. Because you make random assumptions without doing research. Half of Ataris mainstream contributions are crap as well, but it's almost always you guys that spread the magic dust which is why you guys get attacked more. I want the trith in gaming history for all systems (examples of BS, CD-I, 3DO, Colecovision, etc.) since the mainstream has it engraved in millions of people heads comeplete BS that will be remembered 40 years from now unless we change it.

The FMV library was actually not that large. People owning 3DO's would know this. Anywho, It was cost at first, and the business practice killing manufacturing because 3DO was making money and the other 3 were not. The 3 that were making the actual consoles.

Your first couple sentences was never said by me. Konami GT, and Interplay had games on the 3do.

Sooo much BS about the 3DO constantly regarded as fact that just amazes me because some of it can be looked up with 3 words on google to see it's not true. It's amazing. I mean the 3DO company having it as one of the largest commercial failures? The 3DO company was profitable (due to their ethically questionable royalty and marketing tactics) Lack of third-party support? THAT'S ALL IT HAD ALMOST. It sold 5+ (no concrete numbers) world wide for goodness sake! 80% of the library was FMV? I guess if you include the VCD ADD-ON as GAME SUPPORT that may make sense (it wouldn't.) 3DO was barely more powerful than the Super Nintendo? Are you serious? LIMITED LIBRARY Of TITLES? It's amazing how all these "historical video game" videos posted by GT, IGN, Spike, etc. etc. and Wikipedia is spreading the lies of BS so rapidly that 30 years from now the revised truth will be 100% true. Almost like the current Nintendo situation but back to the point. BTW, does anybody know if they found concrete WW sales numbers for the 3DO yet? I am also going to attempt to tackle and fix the 3DO wikipedia page and would like it if anybody would help.

This was never said. Can you read whole posts? Otherwise you seem to not know what you're saying. Not sure what Tengen has to do with anything actually.

You seem to be losing track fow hat your saying because you say things don't sell well and later say they sold modestly. the lynx WAS selling well. It was making money. You do realize this only applied to hardware and not software right? yes they were. Just because you want to believe they were not, does not mean it's true. it's why Midway brought the arcade division and the arcade IPS the main division could not hold, because they were successful.

Because of the development of the JAguar. The lynx was making money, they closed the 7800 and 2600 at a time when they were both brigning modest profit, and the computers were mixed. Also no, Atari was still top game in the early 90's with Midway basically becoming the leader and going into the 2000's.

how?

If you mean V-smile that is a 5 year console with tons of games. If you are talking of Leapfrog TV consoles,l that depends on what kind because there is also a 5 year one with lots of games that made tons of money.

Some of you may or may not have known about Mattels uh, "7th" generation console released after the 360 around the PS3 calle the HYPERSCAN: The HYPERSCAN was an innovative system that Mattel stupidly(debatable) used as a test to get back in the market but not putting too much effort in advertising and retail carrying. Oh and third party support. It used these cards that allowed you to get extra content, skills weapons, characters, levels etc. in the game. All you had to do is place it on the scanning module and it would go through. Although not too much of a 3D powerhouse it ran 2D at 80FPS so take that as you will. Impressive with the build they went with. The rumored amount of sales was 500,000 with most sales being from launch and a few select months after(before the price cut). For a console that was mostly at Radioshack and a few other retailers, it's a shame that Mattel did not take a bit more effort because the Hyperscan could have been a big thing. It was a very innovative idea, Mattel came back to a market that made the, stand out. Similar techniques were revived with Activisions Skylanders who popularized the idea of scanning objects. Sure it's not the same type of things other than characters but it's still pretty much done exactly the same. I remember when it was first announced. I was like "Mattel is back?" and unlike Atari with the flashback, and Coleco with that Sega handheld, this was a system unique and having its own games. Such a very limited system though. Has anyone here seen or played the system? What did you think? Screens:

The odd thing here is with Atari it started working. Until they slashed everything to focus on the Jaguar.

No pretty sire Atari and Williams/Bally/Midway were still the top in the arcades until 2001.

Back when it was new, people in my area talked about it all the time, but there seems to be a big absence of it in many gaming topics, especially on the internet. I hears that it sold over 1 million units but am not sure. It seemed like an attractive idea, original games and able to play the 8-bit line on your Tv without a wall computer. Anybody got more information on that?

The VCS is the most collected retro system almost every year.

Is that the only source? Because not saying it's bad or anything just that I don't feel like buying a book when I can have a web link or something. Especially since I believe an update is being worked on to that book.

I noticed in one of the below thread that there seems to be conflicting opinions on what is factually true. A lot of people say that gaming was fie and a lot of people say gaming would be done (U.S. or other) without the NES. Now while I questions the sources, I have found a few posts from both sides. The No side talks about gaming being fine before the NES came out and the Industry was already out of the gutter as well as equal excitement for all 3 1986 systems (mostly the 7800 and NES though) and that the NES never really blew a huge lead until 1988. Then the yes side of course goes with games that we never would have been able to play on consoles, games like SMB were some kind of new thing that never existed, and it revolutionized gaming in some ways. Now, a popular list from mainstream sites for the people who say yes like IGN, GR, etc. can be found here: Nintendo fixed the Industry that Atari had ruined. Video games were completely dead until the NES released in 1985 and brought the industry back by 1986 SMB single-handedly changed the types of games we played and also inspired PC gaming somehow and games with scrolling NES was the first left hand to move console NES was the first to also become a computer NES was the first to have lock-out options NES single-handedly brought video game consoles back into existence, and without them there would be no consoles. People were not still buying video games until the NES The NES test launch was responsible for the new intellivisions, the Atari 7800, and for the Atari 2600 jr. As well as Coleco still supporting CV in 1085. NES setting up the third-party game publisher system as we know it

Know it's the reveiwers reasons for why Atari is 1-50 lower on a list of top consoles and the NES is at number 1 on every single site I looked sat. There was a dude here who had links to scanned news papers about the 7800 selling out and getting a lot of excitement but I don't know f he's still here, forgot the name. He also had scans of excitement for all systems BEFORE they came out and that the industry was already "coming back."

However, because of that 3DO made 4x more money than the MN that produced the machines. It's a model that is ethically questionable. It was the opposite of the CD-I's.