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Stupid me ++ RC ++

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Mercenary and Boulder Dash were written on the Atari first. Not really conversions ++ RC ++

Thanks ++ RC ++

For all you completists out there... Still lots of stuff missing though... ATARI US - DISKS _ CX8100 * 5 Blank Diskettes CX8101 CX8102 * Calculator CX8103 CX8104 * Master Diskette II CX8105 CX8106 * Bond Analysis CX8107 * Stock Analysis CX8108 * Stock Charting CX8109 CX8110 CX8111 CX8112 CX8113 CX8114 CX8115 CX8116 CX8117 CX8118 CX8119 CX8120 CX8121 * Atari Macro Assembler and Program Text Editor CX8122 CX8123 CX8124 CX8125 CX8126 * Atari Microsoft BASIC I CX8127 CX8128 CX8129 * Home Filing Manager CX8130 * Caverns of Mars CX8131 CX8132 CX8133 CX8134 CX8135 * My First Alphabet CX8136 CX8137 * Juggles' Rainbow CX8138 * Juggles' House DX5047 * Timewise DX5048 * Paint DX5049 * VisiCalc DX5050 * Mickey in the Great Outdoors DX5051 DX5052 * Master Diskette 3 DX5053 * Peter Pan's Daring Escape [aka Captain Hook's Revenge] DX5054 DX5055 DX5056 DX5057 DX5058 DX5059 DX5060 DX5061 DX5062 DX5063 DX5064 DX5065 DX5066 DX5067 DX5068 DX5069 DX5070 DX5071 DX5072 DX5073 DX5074 DX5075 DX5076 * FutureMakers - Through the Star Bridge DX5077 * FutureMakers - This Is Ground Control DX5078 DX5079 DX5080 DX5081 * Music Painter DX5082 * Silent Butler DX5083 DX5084 * Star Raiders II DX5085 DX5086 DX5087 * XEP80 Boot Disk DX5088 DX5089 * SX Express! DX50?? * Mysteries of Wonderland AX2020 * AtariMusic I AX2021 AX2022 AX2023 AX2024 AX2025 * Atari Microsoft BASIC II AX2026 * AtariMusic II AX2027 AX2028 AX2029 AX2030 AX2031 AX2032 AX2033 * Proofreader AED80001 * Spelling in Context 1 AED80002 * Spelling in Context 2 AED80003 * Spelling in Context 3 AED80004 * Spelling in Context 4 AED80005 * Spelling in Context 5 AED80006 * Spelling in Context 6 AED80007 * Spelling in Context 7 AED80008 * Spelling in Context 8 AED80009 * Math Facts and Games AED80010 * Concentration AED80011 * Division Drill AED80012 AED80013 * AtariLab Starter Kit AED80014 * AtariLab Light Module AED80015 AED80016 * US Geography [1] AED80017 * US Geography [2] AED80018 AED80019 AED80020 * Secret Formula - Elementary AED80021 * Secret Formula - Intermediate AED80022 * Secret Formula - Advanced AED80023 AED80024 AED80025 AED80026 AED80027 AED80028 AED80029 AED80030 AED80031 AED80032 AED80033 * Screen Maker AED80034 * Player Maker AED80035 AED80036 AED80037 AED80038 AED80039 AED80040 AED80041 AED80042 AED80043 AED80044 AED80045 AED80046 AED80047 * Instructional Computing Demo AED80048 * Music I AED80049 * Music II AED80050 * Music III AED80051 * Elementary Biology AED80052 * Earth Science AED80053 * Geography AED80054 * Prefixes AED80055 * Metric and Problem Solving AED80056 * Market Place AED80057 * Basic Arithmetic AED80058 * Graphing AED80059 * Pre-Reading AED80060 * Counting AED80061 * Book - Software for your Atari AED80062 * Book - Atari Games and Recreations AED80063 AED80064 AED80065 AED80066 * Expeditions AED80067 * Spelling Bee AED80068 AED80069 * Word Games ACW200 * CodeWriter CWA200 * AdventureWriter CWH200 * FileWriter CWM200 * MenuWriter CWR200 * ReportWriter CWBI200 * Small Business Inventory CWHI200 * Home Integrator CWRI200 * Retail Invoice CWRP200 * Accounts Receivable / Payable CWSE200 * Salesman's Expenses CWSV200 * Star Voyage ATARI US - MISCELLANEOUS STUFF _ BX4201 * Atari Home Computers Three-Ring Binder BX4202 * 1025 Ribbon BX4203 BX4204 * 1020 Color Pen Replacement BX4205 BX4206 * 1020 Black Pen Replacement BX4207 * 1020 Roll Paper BX4208 * LOGO Manuals BX4209 BX4210 BX4211 BX4212 * 1027 Ink Roller BX4213 BX4214 BX4215 BX4216 * 600XL/800XL Service Contract BX4217 * 1400XL Service Contract BX4218 * 1450XLD Service Contract CO14062 * 820 Paper CO14746 * TV Switch Box CO14762 * 820 Operator's Manual CO14854 * 820 Ribbon CO15307 * BASIC Reference Manual CO15506 * 825 Operator's Manual CO15954 * 822 Operator's Manual CO16087 * 825 Ribbon CO16233 * 825 Paper CO16345 * 822 Paper CO16347 * 810 DOS II Reference Manual CO16376 * 822 Paper CO16555 * Revision B 400/800/1200XL Technical Reference Notes CO17809 * PILOT Primer CO17811 * Student PILOT Reference Guide CO17651 * 850 Operator's Manual CO17652 * 850 Technical Manual CO17668-09 * Atari Connection - Spring 1983 CO17668-10 * Atari Connection - Summer 1983 CO17668-11 * Atari Connection - Autumn 1983 CO17668-12 * Atari Connection - Winter 1983 CO17711 * Atari 400 Owner's Guide CO17893 * OS Source Listing CO17894 * DOS Utilities Source Listing CO17964 * Power Adapter CO60054 * Introduction to DOS CO60055 * Atari 410 Owner's Guide CO60056 * Atari 810 Owner's Guide CO60057 * Atari 800 Owner's Guide CO60992 * Inside Atari BASIC CX21 * Touch Pad CX22 * Trak-Ball [1st version] CX30 * Paddle CX40 * Joystick CX41 * Joystick Repair Kit CX42 * Remote Control Joystick CX43 * Space Age Joystick CX60 * Ultimate Joystick CX70 * Light Pen CX75 * Light Pen CX77 * Touch Tablet CX80 * Trak-Ball [2nd version] CX81 * Atari I/O Data Cord CX82 * Monitor Cable (Black & White) CX85 * Numeric Keypad CX86 * Printer Cable CX87 * Interface-MODEM Cable CX88 * Interface-Terminal Cable CX89 * Monitor Cable (Color) CX405 * PILOT CX415 * Home Filing Manager CX418 * Home Manager CX421 * Family Finances CX488 * The Communicator CX852 * 8K RAM Module CX853 * 16K RAM Module KX7097 * Atari LOGO KX7098 * Atari Accountant KX7099 * BASIC Tutor I KX7102 * Arcade Champ KX7110 * Writing System KX7111 * Entertainment System KX7114 * Programming System ++ RC ++

Makes sense Direct link: http://www2.asw.cz/~kubecj/acdpcat.htm ++ RC ++

Holy **** (censored)! Never noticed you had all the serial numbers! Where did you get that list from? Still missing: CXL4014 (unreleased Mailing List?) CXL4017 CXL4023 RX8027 (Berzerk?) ++ RC ++

More please What do you mean when you say "reviewed"? I remember Commando has this special board. ++ RC ++

Pole Position II and Elevator Action were in some late Atari catalogs and also announced by Datasoft. I have Elevator Action as RX8070. I saw Sinistar mentioned in another catalog, don't remember where... There was a review of this unreleased version in Atari Explorer. I have it as RX8118 (MIDI Maze is RX8124). ++ RC ++

I can think of three: Pang, Dynakillers, Tekblast. Tekblast is wonderful and deserves a cartridge edition ++ RC ++

I think MIDI Maze has been "out there" for some time now. Also Commando, Xenophobe, Mat Mania Challenge, Mean 18 among others. It would be fun to find a Picnic Paranoia cartridge with a 1987 or 1988 copyright... So, after Epyx, Electronic Arts, Broderbund Software, it seems Atari bought the rights to Synapse Software and Datasoft games. Talk about being cheap... How about some more speculation on unreleased software? Maybe I'm being optimistic but I assume these titles exist (or have existed) in a more or less finished form: Access - 10th Frame Atari - Elevator Action - Jungle River Cruise - Pole Position II - Sinistar - TumbleWeeds - Warlords - educational titles Electronic Arts - Adventure Construction Set - Skyfox LucasFilm Games - Labyrinth Romox - many... ++ RC ++

Let's try the good old market by market approach to track down the causes of the demise... US A lot of people thought the Atari 8-bit computers reached their technical peak in 1984-5 with Ballblazer, Alternate Reality... Lack of support in the US after 1986 did the rest (see one of my previous posts). UK I'd say one of the biggest problems in the UK from the beginning was with distribution (can you confirm this JBJ?). Not only did Atari completely blew it there but the magazine effort was pointless (no Zzap! or Crash to boost sales or development)... Sure, there was some stuff from the budget houses, big titles from time to time (Trailblazer, Gauntlet, Arkanoid...), Zeppelin Games but that's about all... Forgot about Red Rat Software and English Software but half of their catalog was a bit shitty... Germany The A8 was very successful in Germany (and the Netherlands) but (correct me if I'm wrong emkay) I think there weren't big software companies to push the computer at the time. Apart from Ariola, I can't think of another big publisher in 1984-5... Big club (ABBUC...) and magazine involvement there. Eastern Europe The Atari 8-bit line sold like hot cakes in Eastern Europe, which led to the creation of a REAL demo scene (now that's one thing that helped the C64 a lot) and software companies (LK Avalon, Mirage Software, ASF...). Technically, the stuff was a step forward, even if half of the games lacked originality or were direct rip-offs or quick conversions (check Special Forces on the Atari and Operation Hanoi on the C64 to see what I mean...). A lot of these coders came from the demo scene, probably an explanation to the budget-like appearance of some of the games. All these factors leading to no progress or regression in the programming techniques. Comments? ++ RC ++

Snowball intro by T. Liebich probably... ++ RC ++

You have a point there... No "serious" Atari 8-bit game development took place in the US after 1986 and nothing was done to feed the thousands of North American users. I wish Antic or ANALOG had done something to import European software or attract small developers but most of what the US and Canada got was stuff written in BASIC or type-ins, hence no creativity or technical breakthroughs to be found... ++ RC ++

Don't you think the Atari 8-bit deserved better magazine support in the UK? Most of the Atari publications had a passive attitude and I was never really excited when reading the magazines. Monitor was good but too confidential, the rest was quite low-level most of the time... ++ RC ++

What I feel is that many people still regard 1982-3 games as the technical standard. Proof has been given that the Atari 8-bit can do better than that so why be so regressive? ++ RC ++

I mostly agree with emkay: this attitude has hurt and continues to hurt the Atari 8-bit. For one thing, always referring to the past is negative. I sometimes feel we're still stuck in the eighties... Why is it that so few people want technical PROGRESS? C64 users are really smarter: more thinking, more views, more complex games, nicer graphics... Look at what's been done! Watch those European demos! There are tools available to do more than 1982-like games. This is year 2003 and the resources are numerous! Listen to people like emkay, Heaven, JBJ, Fox, Raster...: they know their stuff! Open up! Classic games are OK but this is getting ridiculous. If people think a more complex program on the Atari necessarily has less playability, they're heading for the wrong direction. I'm not saying better graphics make for better gameplay but more ambition will benefit the entire community. Heck, if some of you don't want anything better, don't bother, just take your VCS! Sorry if I sound aggressive but I've been an Atari 8-bit nut for twenty years and it's always the same old song... ++ RC ++

It's available on Homesoft's site. ++ RC ++

Does anyone have more info? Never ever heard of that one before... Tempest? ++ RC ++

Dunno... Wizard of Wor has that polished feel Gorf lacks IMO. More attention to detail, professional touches in the graphic department... ++ RC ++

Beer Belly Burt's Brew Biz! maybe? ++ RC ++

I liked Castle Wolfenstein despite the dire graphics and awkward controls... Beyond Castle Wolfenstein was more of the same but still fun. Good: Frogger Frogger II Zybex Tapper Wizard of Wor Video Classics Trailblazer Trivial Pursuit Tomahawk Serpentine Satan's Hollow Super Huey Fighter Pilot River Raid HERO Porky's Mario Bros. (XE) Karateka Into the Eagle's Nest Head over Heels Joe Blade Gumball Flight Simulator II Average: Gorf Beach Head II HardBall! Hard Hat Mack Joe Blade II Zaxxon Spy Hunter Spellbound Summer Games BattleZone Yogi Bear and Friends in the Greed Monster Yogi's Great Escape Who Dares Wins II Transmuter Touchdown Football Bad: Thrust Richard Petty's Talladega Super Zaxxon Up & Down Universal Hero All Sirius Software VCS conversions Trolls and Tribulations Jet Set Willy Caverns of Eriban ++ RC ++

Not Leader Board, World Class Leader Board. Has extra stuff like trees... ++ RC ++

Well, Aztec Challenge wasn't incredible but (at least) it had playability... I didn't find it that different... Now Richard Petty's Talladega, that was an awful racing game... ++ RC ++

Could it be this one? ++ RC ++