John Mayor

All games from what? the 32?

Back in the day I only used both of these for a brief time due to work having these device tried out for processing and etc. although primitive both ahve very nice gaming communities. Being able to only get one due to horrible seller prices (for now) which is better for gaming? Drgaon 64: Vic-20:

I hear there is a TV with an NES built into it (not the famicom one). Although i am questioning the reliability of the device as it would be harder to fix if something went wrong. On that note there is also a CD-I compatible TV as well as a TV with a 3DO(goldstar) built in with rumors of the panasonic one. Which is the one i will buy because Goldstar is constatly bashed for their version of the 3DO.

This thread is interesting, if we go by the statements of people not and have seeing 7800 in stores, it means that the 7800 was only really targetting certain areas of the U.S. (and certain countries in europe depending on where the current users have posted are located.) This actually fills my curiosity, at least by half, as this is a very interesting conclusion we have come to.

Well without outside U.S. number 7800 is on hiatus in terms of how it did in europe. As for relative terms not really. the TG16 was a financial issues in NA while the 7800 made profit. NES made profit as well. Mastersystem is debatable, they say they sold more than what they have but there were many reports of the sales being a loss. Xegs I am not sure.

NES was released nationwide in 86 not 87. Oh wait I misread nevermind, carry on. I suppose then it's a perspective thing because whey one says "by' a certain date I usually think just before it. y the end of the year this would make more sense.

Well i found a partial answer: http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-14/entertainment/26052859_1_disk-new-prices-new-gizmos

Wait wasn't the 7800 popular by 1987? Wow this article is a mess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983 So yes i just read this link to see if there was at least some accurate info to add to my book, knowing I would have to be cautious but this is horrendous. now i know where everyone is getting all this crap from i was wondering why so many things that were wrong and mostly, unverified, were considered such common beliefs until i read this (using wayback machine the page has been similar to this for years) It now seems to be very clear why my last book a couple years ago was turned and shot down my many people and forgotten. I think we should do a bit of fixing eh Atariagers? If we fix this it may be possible, for more people to look at the older systems, as from what I have seen, other than here and a few other places, old systems pretty much don't count before 1986 anyway)

I was asking for estimates though. If only Rouge was here to find half the threads on a few of these questions on here lol, the search here is.. amazingly bad. As for the rest of your post I understand what you are saying. Technically unless i am mistaken, we only have 7800 solid (U.S. only) numbers. I have been looking for magazines outside the U.S.

I would like to know what you mean by this because it DID succeed and did very well the first 3 years before debatable the biggest sales drop in gaming history if the 7800 figures are true.

This is just a fun little thread I thought of. My reasoning for this to most odd match up is that I am assuming (so do not be mad) that most users if not all are from NA. And judging by the theme I am also guessing people here are older. So with that said, when these two guys first came out their sales were not exactly far apart for around the first 3 years, So i assume that many people here, especially on Atariage, owned at least both. So because of this i am wondering which of the two you guys prefer based on a perspective from someone who had both or has experienced the 7800 first. I already have two threads for my book, so I wanted to take a break today while those other threads got more answers with this fun experiment. I will not be making a poll for this thread. Be sure to explain your reason for your preference. As the stories are the most interesting part!

This is a very interesting posts but i have no source for these. i see you are pointing me to a couple of sites, but in the case of archives.org i do not know of any names of magazines to look in their. If you can provide me the names of the sources that contain this information you speak of then I can add it, other wise it will be ridiculed in the modern day over the "wiki/IGN concensus." In fact some of what you say to me makes a lot more sense thinking logically, because looking at how the 7800 sold before 89 it made no sense to me how this consensus came to be. it makes even less sense that almost all current sites that have this information are unsourced and use POV articles to prove their point instead of actually being accurate. Which is why i am going for the end all be all complete book with no room to wiggle people favorisms and altered (whether forgotten ot on purpose) memories of the past. You don't seem to know how the modern worl works. using my judgement without references will cut out deals i made for the book and people will think it's a POV nonsense to change the already revised history i have again, tried this before, so do not think that I am ignoring your suggestions it's just how it is now. I already have the majority of my WHOLE book with pretty much impossible to debate factual sources, all you can at least acess online, containing links and sites where you can look at magazine scans.

I have done that twice already for awhile now.

Just a general saying be sure to source your answers if you have any. Back on topic @cimerians, Not sure where your non-american comment came from but anywho yes, i know these are hotly debated issues, although sites like this and a few others, although harder to find now, did have answers (I think a rogue something has some links on here on this site, he was a user that has some of these questions partially answered but i can't find them) The issue with this statement is that most viewpoint are POV instead of based on information from the time. Like I said, several source (actually i did manage to find 2) said the 1985 test launch was a failure, it is also a heavy saying that the 7800 was delayed and not brought because of the NES success in 95 (which is actually mainly from here yet the 7800 profile on the main part of this site says the opposite) yet other sources say other wise. but that is mostly because they use a POV perspective insted of an on paper perspective. This whole book, it will surprise many people, as it contains down right in most cases outside certain estimates for numbers as those are hard to come by, strict on paper references that cannot be denied even with the most common consensus misinformation. (for example, Coleco was going to buy Atari at one point. offered a deal, and there are numerous articles sources including actual firm press release scans.)

Save and revive are the same in this case, and there are two many historical sources that conflict with that statement for me to simply put it in the book.

As i mentioned about my book in the other thread, it only needs a few things straight to be 100% complete with tons of information available. HOWEVER this area is the biggest area of issue. Even within the same dates or presently, their are TOO MANY conflicting sources. Even on this site (although it had some direct sources that I could use for parts of it that were accurate) because of this conflict it is hard for me to but these finishing touches in my book on the crash history and the point where the crash was gone and the industry got back on its feet. Here are questions below that are needed to complete the section. These questions are literally only needed to be directly answered with a source to be solved. 1. Was the crash the reason coleco dropped out of the console race? Yes it is determined that Coleco made the CV until 1985, but there are numerous online sources that state the CV stopped selling and they dropped out because of that. Yet I hear the CV sold modestly up until launch and the reason they dropped out was either the CBK fad or because they wanted to focus more on computers. 2. It is said that Mattel/INTV were able to sell another 3 or so million Intellivisions after the crash. 3. It is said a lot, y questionable sources, that the NES coming in and bringing the industry back up in 1985 is true. However there are conflicting statements of which include that A. It is not possible because 1985 was a test market launch and it was considered a failure. B. Sources say the 2600 sold very very strongly in 1985 c. Sources say that in 1986 the 7800 and the NES were selling neck and neck until around 88. (and the SMS did a decent number in the first year.) d. Sources say that the console market was already revived before hand and there were still numerous players on the market. E. Some even say the 2600 itself saved the market. Although that is just a few sources. 4. There seems to be a semi-popular saying of the Atari 2600 being the main cause of the crash somehow, single-handedly, and the Crash involved people not buying games and having tons of bad games. Yet that seems odd in hindsight, as other sources state that the crash was only related to the internal industry and the retailers. As well as people still buying 2600 games from 84 on ward in millions. 5. There is a focus on 2 particular games on the crash. Judging from each games date, It seems a bit odd to place the blame almost all on Pac-Man and E.T. for the crash. Some sources say those games were not even blamed originally but within the mid 90's was randomly speculated by certain media. 6. Some sources say that no one wanted to touch the market at all. Which i personally find odd because there were still like 4 players on the market, but apparently sources say that the industry was practically dead with a "huge vacuum" to fill. 7. From sources that showed the prices of the industry worth during certain years, some of them had the market coming back in 86 with it going back down in 1987. Although there are conflicting charts about the industry values from 1978 to 1990. 8. There are sources that say, including this very site which is very very confusing because this is one of the sites that conflict with this, is that the Atari 7800 was not brought out until the success of the NES, which is odd because there are sources saying all it did was test launch in 1985. And some say that it was a failure or dismal at best. 9. The release date of SMB is apparently still in question. 10. It is said that the NES was the first consoles with tile based graphics. Based on my older consoles that is not rue, however I only know of one, I need the others. 11. People say the Reason the Master System came into play was because of the NES. That still seems odd considering the NES success in the test launch that keeps being stated, 12. Some sources say that the Atari 2600 remained the best selling console in North America until the 90's, and some say that the NES became the best selling console. Of course with the numbers being a bit uh, nudged it may be hard to fine hard numbers. Although estimates could help with that. 13. The 7800 was released over seas, i heard it did well although i can't find any info on that at all. I found only one article from a NEW Zealand paper talking about challenging people to a winte games tournament or somethings. 14. Sources say that the SMS, 2600, 7800, and NES were all filled with positive press from CES. Although all I can find is brochure info. 15. A main reason for the crash itself was a slew of consoles. however some sources conflict that by stating that in the next "section" of gaming actually had more systems. 16. last but not least, It is said that all consoles 1982 and up were the third generation of gaming. However, the common consensus, which does not have a verifable source but is used anyway, is that all consoles from 1982 to 1984 are all "second" generation consoles. This would make the new "third generation" consoles only last two years which makes no logical sense however, it is the logic that is used. So for this, i found some sources although many people shoot down all of the sources i have for this statement. Third wave and third generation are used in all of them and the articles are from near or in the time period of relevance. Oddly, NES is the "exception" to their own rule as somehow the "famicom' does not somehow count. Instead NES with bankswitched carts is somehow "a genration" ahead when it really is not and the graphics are too close even "with" the bankswitching and additional hardware outside a few exceptions. They also oddly made the same exception for the "Atari 7800" but no other system that was released early 1985 or in 1984, including 2 that were not fully released until 1995 or 1996. lessor known consoles yes they are but apparently the rules are complete BS and change when one side wants it to. I assume this area is largely the fault of wikipedia, who's article on the crash and almost all other things gaming related is filled with shit. wiki has no source for its generational standings, and if I recall it was near when it was newer were people were saying that consoles before 1986 were not 8-bit systems and I think the original configurations for wikis generational data was based on the "bits" or rather the "bits" they BELIEVED (while not knowing) the consoles had. Otherwise the Intellivision would be competing with the SNES and GENESIS. Conclusion: That is all the questions I have on this subject for now. Some of these will actually branch off and answer other questions. I only have a few more tiny trinkets left.

It's possible depending on how you look at it. the 2600, being super cheap, and having a very large library, may have done it's share of hurt to the 7800 after 88 which the 7800 sales dropped like 125% x2 into the year 1989. It sold well before that.

Demo pages will be avaialble before launch. Right now I only need certain things answered with correct information. Very few in comparison to the rest of the book, which is filled with book scans, internet links, and referenced confirmable sources. Since that is the route i am taking, I am doing the whole book this way all the way through. with these factual references, the media, the gamers, the wikipedias and the everything else will have the whole history with correct information to go to, and those who try to twist or use POV will not be able to do so. History is a thing of mine, I already in the process of publishing my computer book but I have that on hold for various reasons.

The issues is that unless it is searchable online or i am able to scan a book with the information todays media will not accept it.

This statement here is actually part of the numerous conflictions in another thread I will make later for another part of my textbook. From what I have seen my self, and numerous articles, the NES did not revive the market at all and that the 85 test launh failed. I also heard that the 2600 sold more than the NES in 85 and that the 7800 sold only slightly less than the NES the first year although of course, the sources are not fully verified (someone posted an article about how the master system faired on here and on another site however I can find that post at all, the search function is almost as horrendous as googles.) Like I said i ca't 100% put anything in the book unless I am 100% sure like the vast majority of the pages.

There is an interview that partially confirms that the NES/Famicom development was influenced by the collecovision http://www.glitterberri.com/developer-interviews/how-the-famicom-was-born/deciding-on-the-specs/ The other part is what is escaping me. Oddly i first saw it in plain site on this site yet I for some reason cannot find the info. it's also been said in other places. also don't forget to add sources (just saying in general to everyone) for your additions so i can put it in the book. also see a lot of posts with the CPu thing solved, good because I figures that was a load but it is a very popular consensus

I see a lot of media saying it was authorized but I have yet to find a full source.

you have a link for the last one.

Noted, so the question now is, is it the most complete on home consoles in general then?