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  6. Posted

    So the three loops of 8 verses when all in a row looked like they were duplicates.

     

    But when I put them one on top of each other they are quite different.

     

    ballblazerNotTheSame.thumb.JPG.ecb21d3eab07d5708de66869a7f10fc9.JPG

     

    When you zoom in on the beginning you can see the different notes played at different times with different velocities.

     

    different8secs.thumb.JPG.0eed5868afe66fac5c52ccf32e3ef8ac.JPG
     

    I have remade the video! Thank you again for your help.

     

    I have also made a stereo version of Alternate Reality.

     

    33 minute ballblazer video...

     

     

    Alternate Reality Video - Stereo

     

     

    AlternateRealityStereo.mp3

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  7. Posted · Edited by BoroPaul

    I sliced it up in Ableton, a Digital Audio Workstation, and it is amazing how well each of the random pieces play with each other. You can completely randomize it and get a 50/50 chance of something that sounds interesting, often way more interesting that ballblazer itself throws us as it follows a fairly consistent pattern.

     

    I was making a video for YouTube with lots of images I had gathered but it crashed on me after about three hours and would not re-load. So I either give up or start again.

  8. Posted · Edited by BoroPaul

    OK, I think I have done it. Don't think I need anything else. Time to move on to the next tune.
    I have attached a sample of a funky section with drums and no random melody playing.
    I played around making lots of randomizing versions.
    It is surprising that the ( 3 sets of 8 ) diamonds in the image above (which are a visual representation of the fade in and fade out of the random melody) are not a consistent length!

    So as well as the notes being different speeds and lots of different potential combinations of notes, their fade in, hold, and fade out duration varies as well.
    And on the bass track it plays a steady melody with odd semi random interruptions that sometimes end simply going back into the normal bassline and sometimes ramp back in in a very funky manner.

     

    I basically put the track with the drum and 1 note of the chord to one side, added the random melody.

    Then the track with the random drum/chord/slightly delayed random melody to the other

    Finally the bass+chord note in the center.

    I had the center channel oscillate slightly side to side with each note

    Then I put a slight reverb across the whole thing.

     

    I think it is quite nice!

    Now to grab some images and make a nice video to pay homage to a technically great game with a even more technically great soundtrack!

    Thank you very much ivop for all your help!

    BallblazerStereoFunkySample113bpm.mp3

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  9. Posted · Edited by BoroPaul

    I don't think you edited 5m up to 65m.

     

    I convert it exactly as you suspect using ASAPCONV, but you can also split out the tracks into individual wavs which is what I do.

     

    So the wav for track 4 looks like the image attached.

     

    As you can see, the rising falling track does that 8 times, the final one is traingular in shape. I have compared the traingular ones and #2 is different from #2 which is different from #3 but then the #4 is the same as #1.

     

    So I have no idea what you did here!
     

    You seem to have given me 32m 14s of unique ballblazer music, which is wonderful!

     

    Sorry, I just get carried away with this stuff. Like I said, makes me feel like a kid again.

     

    Now.. XEGS and 7800 versions...

    I have located the CRC checksum for every version of ballblazer I can find out there.
    According to the interwebs there should be 3 different 5200/8-bit roms and 5 different 7800 roms but I can only find three..

     

    8-bit/XE/5200 Versions

    def2a207 - Ballblazer (1984) (Atari-Lucasfilm Games) - 5200 and 8-bit

    94d97d14 - Ballblazer (1984) (Atari-Lucasfilm Games) [a1] - 5200

    820E5CE5 - Ballblazer (1987) - ballblzr.bin - US 8-bit and XE, XEGS 64 KB (13)

     

    So the 1987 versions are all the same! So if your version loads up with the date 1987 then you have the funky version.

    And the version you have given me is definitely funky. 

     

    I have come to the conclusion that the version in this video is heavily edited.
    It has a reverb on and it starts with a bass break and no random melody track.. which just does not ever seem to happen!!

     

     

    Can we get the music from the 7800 versions.. 
    As I understand it the 7800 had 2600 sound, so to get good sound you had to put a chip in the cart, Ballblazer had a pokey in there.

     

    OK, I just got ProSystem emulator to work (it is a fiddly swine!) and loaded up the USA version and this is the one! It does not play for long before the game stops the music and starts playing an attract mode game.

    Can get you the music out of a 7800 cart?

    https://lmgtfy.app/?q=Ballblazer+(USA).a78

     

    7800 Versions

    48f75a89 - Ballblazer (Europe).a78 7800
    aff85565 - ballbleu.bin - PAL 7800
    a4c4808b - Ballblazer (USA).a78 or ballblzr.bin - USA 7800
    5b635cb6 - 7800 cannot find this one

    44615260 - 7800 cannot find this one
     

     

     

     

    Ballblazer65.JPG

  11. Posted

    2 hours ago, ivop said:

    The only thing I did is take the SAP file you said contained the right first song, and hexedited 05:xx.xxx to 65:xx.xxx :)

     

    Edit: which player do you use? 

    $ asapconv -o bla.wav Ballblazer.sap
$ mpv bla.wav
Playing: bla.wav
 (+) Audio --aid=1 (pcm_s16le 1ch 44100Hz)
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz mono 1ch s16
A: 00:00:22 / 01:05:26 (0%)

Exiting... (Quit)

    I definitely hear the fourth channel slowly increasing in volume.

     

    Edit2: altirra plays the .sap file fine, too.

    You are absolutely correct.. I must have made a mistake when I ripped it into WAVs. DOH.
    Appreciate the effort, apologies for my mistake.

    I would still love an actual SAP rip of the XEGS version!! 

     

    In the mean time here is a stereo MP3 of Jet Set Willy.

    JSWv2.mp3

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  13. Posted · Edited by BoroPaul
    Got rid of the hour long versions of Yourchan2 and Yourchan4 and replaced with just the first 70 secs

    Thank you Thank you Thank you and a thousand times Thank you!!

     

    I was so giddy with excitement when I saw your post, I downloaded the file, started ripping out the tracks one by one. I felt like a kid again.

    And it is great, I can certainly make a stereo version from it. In fact I have already.

    Yet there is something odd here. Tracks 2 and 4 are digitally identical! They are a dupe.

    So you match the ASMADB ballblazer.sap (attached) on tracks 1 2 and 3 but your track 4 is a dupe of track 2 and the ASMADB's track 4 is the random track all on its own.

    You can SEE this random track 4 in this video.. 
    Track 1 Combo Bass / Chord / Occasional Drum
    Track 2 Combo Drum / Chord
    Track 3 Combo Drum / Chord / Random (Slightly Quieter and 5 frames behind Track 4)
    Track 4 Solo Random 


    Is there is another version? Or is the ASMADB sap the 7800 track? Or did you accidently dupe 2 over to 4?

     

    Again, I am not being negative, I am incredibly grateful that you did this for me., it is just very, very odd!!

    Ballblazer.sap Ballblazerchan4.mp3

    Yourchan2.mp3 Yourchan4.mp3

  16. Posted · Edited by BoroPaul

    If you are still offering to do this....

    Is it even possible to do a really long rip of ballblazer to SAP?

     

    Not one of the boring versions but the one that is all random and jazzy?

     

    There are two listed in ASMADB,

    • ballblaster.sap 5006 bytes - this is a boring version with no jazzy bits!
    • ballblazer.sap 2814 bytes - this is jazzy but cuts off after only 5 mins mid loop.

    As it is an algorithmically generated piece of music I would love an hour long one!

     

    I like to make Stereo versions of Classic Atari 8 bit music, like Passionately....

     

     

     

    I have attached what I have done so far with the version of BallBlazer that cuts off...

     

    If you can help I would be most appreciative. I will reciprocate with a stereo version of a tune of your choice!! :)

    BallBlazerStereo_Cuts_Off.mp3

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  17. Posted

    I'm really surprised this got as little comment as it did!

     

    Mr Robot

     

    This will be one of those posts that just gives and gives for you. I for one am phenomenally grateful to you for doing this. And Kudos to your python skills from a fellow Python programmer!!

     

     

     

    Paul

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  23. Posted

    http://atariage.com/forums/topic/207387-broken-atari-2600-with-black-screen/

     

    Followed the advice on here with no success.

     

    Mine works first time, then when you power off and on (or switch carts) it gets a black screen or the game screen with crashed graphics.

     

    Mine is a little unusual in that when I took it apart it had obviously had cola spilled into it (sticky and brown).

     

    I've cleaned it up as much as I can and it is working but I want it to work properly.

     

    I have other 2600's if switching out a chip may help but can I switch chips from a vader into a light sixer?

     

    Or is the work first time/fail second time symptomatic of a different issue (capacitor/resistor etc)?

     

     

    Paul

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