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They had to fit through the holes then. No way he would have risked someone seeing what was inside the jag. He is pretty sneaky though so maybe he opened it without anyone seeing.
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Sorry I had missed your post earlier where you said the same as above
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The bottom of the box was open though. More than enough slack in the cables to move the box out of the way. I'm sure piko saw would have seen this when they popped in his cart so I doubt the controllers were disconnected to do it.
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Actually if they wouldn't fit surely they hadn't soldered them to the board with that clear box on it. So yeah, more evidence of them not being hard wired if they are too big to fit through the hole
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The truth is though, he does seem to have a lot of supporters that are going to throw money at him no matter what cause they belive in the retro land idea. Most of them do not seem like they are too bright. Whether or not there are enough of them to fund the console remains to be seen.
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I was nice to him on his comment section. I think he must be disabled to a certain extent, so I don't think there's much Point in actually arguing. This just makes me more sure we Need to kill this Project, because this is the Kind of People the RVGS is preying upon. This and People who never heard of this at all, they just see on Facebook there is this new cartridge based console, and they like it and post some random positive comment just because. Many of those might not ever go back to it, never care to even look at the Kickstarter etc..
So yeah. As Long as this doesn't take off, These People won't have to suffer.
I know some People can get incredibly irritating, but a lot of the hardcore defenders of this System seem to have quite serious issues.
I know there is no point in arguing. i was not trying to start an argument with him. I just found it amusing. dont really care what he is saying really. since he just pretty much repeated the same stuff he did in his 1st video, i thought id link him here.
im sure he wont really be able to look at the evidence and see how blatantly obvious as the why the "rumor" is not a rumor.-
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double debuff. you guys just did not understand what he was saying
he should look to somewhere other than facebook for his research. like maybe here

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I posted a link to here for him.

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The controller on the left is a Super NES Mini controller. The one on the right is a regular Super NES controller. In that video it appears to have Super NES Mini controllers plugged in because you can slightly see the engraved Nintendo logo in some of the frames. So, I guess he brought his whole Super NES Mini set minus the case.

If you could capture some screen shots of where you saw them and post it, that would be great.
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What I took from Piko's post was he smells something fishy but cannot comment on it. I could have misinterpreted what he wrote though.
Probably whatever the pipe dream, of what the RVGS team says the final product of the Coleco Chameleon is going to be, sounds awesome to them both.
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OK, let's look at the facts:
- They have a polished working prototype
- They have a booth at the biggest toy show in the world
- They have a team of seasoned industry luminaries
- Mike has been a part of multiple successful gaming properties: GameGavel, Retrogamingroundup, RETRO, Chickenshift
I see this video and see a fantastic beat-em-up game on a cool new system being played by a video game enthusiast. I can't wait to see everyone freaking out when this is a multi-million dollar Kickstarter success.
another fine attempt at debuffing

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Well their "prototype cartridge 1" was an sd2snes.If it turns out to be a SNES Jr or a Super-Famiclone in there, I'm sure they'll claim the FPGA part is inside the cart... like in the SD2SNES
If (and that's a big if) there are super nintendo equivalent of famiclone chips, they might be good enough to be paired with an FPGA cart to run several SNES games good enough.
I have a super cheap Famiclone that amazingly runs with an Everdrive, so this kind of setup is possible in principle (Subor D99 if you want to know, has the cheapest plastic I've ever seen on a console).
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That is the lamest debunking video i have ever seen in my entire life. He spends the first 4 or so minutes repeating that it is a prototype and not the final product.
He then continues with reading out loud the same official statements on the SNES matter and the FPGA-blurb we have all seen on RVGS facebook and use that as final "evidence" that the rumors are fake.
He could as well made a 10 second video saying "Read what Mike says, its the truth".
Might as well go back to the old Soviet "Pravda" newspapers from 1986 stating that the Chernobyl disaster was a "minor incident, we have it under control" and take that as official evidence that it really wasnt a big deal...
"Evidence" dismissed and thrown on the garbage pile.
I thought he made a good argument. maybe its was just cause he was wearing a tie i felt like he knew what he was talking about.

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Interesting... See that massive pile over yonder, the one as big as a pyramid? That is our pile of "Its a SNES" edvidence. Put it there with the others.
See that big empty space in that other direction? It is supposedly the evidence pile for a custom FPGA board. Sadly it is going to be repurposed into a garbage dump soon as it will always stay empty and un-used otherwise.
Actually this guy figured it out! One piece of evidence for the other pile!
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here is one more thing i noticed the other day and did not post. i dont think anyone else did either:

that looks an awful lot like they missed a spot. coincidence its the same color plastic as the snes mini's back panel?
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Well if the hardware guy says so it must be true. Why would he lie.

I guess there is a chance that Mike did not know it was an SNES mini and the hardware guy is lying. Their excuse as to why they couldn't open it sounds like bs though. There is so much pointing to it being an SNES mini and really nothing to disprove it except for the word of the rvgs team.
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Here's another side-by side comparison: the Coleco Chamelon 'prototype' and mickcris's SNES mini in a Jag shell. Spot the difference:
I was thinking after I put the jag back together I should have angled it the same. Didn't think about rotating the pic.

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Can I use your Pictures if I decide to make another Video about this? Just this you made is clear enough, and sincerely beyond a shadow of doubt. There is no Chance in hell they'd ever make a custom board exactly like an SNES Jr. If I do it I can either tell where I got the Pictures from or just say nothing. I'd do it as you wish.
yeah, you can use it. dont need to mention where you got it from.

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I'd like for someone to make a Video making this protoype step by step and showing the end result. I think many People would Need to see this done to fully realyze what's going on, because they're too lazy to just Google some Pictures and join the pieces together themselves.
Not going to make a video, but i took some quick pictures. Looks like the cut some of the plastic off from inside the shell to make the snes slot be up a bit higher, but im not going to ruin mine to make a better fit. Here is a comparison someone made earlier:
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247145-coleco-chameleon-hardware-speculations/?p=3439661
and my pic:

here is a couple more I took:
as you can see, the back sticks out exactly as much as it does in their video, but i did not cover mine in black tape.
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These may have already been mentioned, but just in case they'd slipped through:
On Facebook, Mike posted a response that the power button doesn't work and that plugging in the cord turns it on. I'm not sure why they didn't just put a switch in the cord, but nonetheless that may be one reason why the demo videos skip this part.
Also, here's Piko's PCB in the system, for those who were wondering--

I think it was mentioned. The SNES power slider is on, inside the shell, and they have no good way to turn it on and off without anyone seeing whats in there cause they didnt bother to wire up an external switch. I still think the reason for the jump cuts is they didnt want to show the SD2SNES menu.
also, Pico's PCB is just an SNES PCB which gives even more evidence of this being just an SNES mini inside a jag shell.
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I think they did not expect that anyone would notice what the "prototype" actually was. they purposely took very low res video and never showed too much detail. They also hid the console inside of a box so no one could get too close to it.
they should have used a Super Everdrive instead of an SD2SNES as its smaller and does not have the 2 extra sets of pins on the ends of the edge connector. It probably would have fit better into the jag cartridge shell and would have been harder to see what it was. Then taking the pic of the back of the system was another dumb move, just to prove to someone on facebook it was plugged in. If they would have not done just these 2 things, and maybe wired up a power switch and led, we may not have noticed what it really was. Or at least there would not be so much evidence. People probably still would have speculated it wasn't real.
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yeah, there is no way they are going to open up what they have there as it would just prove what we are saying here. so we have to for the kickstarter to see something. its going to be completely different than what was shown at the toy fair though. I have seen zero evidence to prove or even suggest that this is not a SNES mini in a jag shell and don't expect there to be any either.
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Im actually surprised that there appears to have been zero moderation on their facebook page today. Although the people pointing out what was posted in this thread are mostly being brushed off as not knowing what they are talking about by all the cheerleaders.
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As much as I have enjoyed the schadenfreude around this project, aren't we jumping the gun here? I know they haven't given enough information to know anything about this, but just because we see familiar components doesn't /necessarily/ mean it's an SNES. Remember how RVGS was talking about using 32X cabling? Original designs aren't really their thing, but literally repurposing SNES and calling it "new" seems too lame, even for this circus.
Their marketing campaign (or lack thereof) is total fair game for mockery, I think. So Toy Fair literally was a place to announce the start date for their Kickstarter?
I think that more likely than not that, it is an SNES and an SD2SNES. I just think they dont have a real working prototype so this was a short cut. Im sure the hardware they show next week will look nothing like what they are showing today.
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Can you get your "insider" to take some meaningful pics or is that forbidden at the Fair without consent?
Just saw this on youtube. doubt anyone is going to get any closer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OipncvjdHrc
I assume when they go to change to the game, they turn the monitor around so no one sees the flash cart menu.
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What i really do not understand is why they not even tried at least a bit to hide the fact that this ist a SNES in a Jag-shell... how hard can it be to use a different controller, to make that damn light work, to use a different TV-cable und to stuff the back of the Jag-shell with something nicer than tape...
I really don`t get this... is this supposed to be some kind of weird joke?
they did try to hide it, but they did a bad job. they probably just did not think about the snes cart edge connector being that distinct that it was easily recognizable. and not covering the whole rest of the flash cart with tape was also a mistake. then he took a pic of the back of the console, which he probably never intended to do or he would have put more tape around it to hide the nintendo multiout.
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Has anyone posted about this on their FB page? I'm guessing that they'd be quickly taking down any such posts and likely blocking anyone who posts anything about it.
someone named David just did under the pic of the back of the console. will see how long it lasts
"So ... that's an SNES video cable. I think I know why your prototype controllers aren't working. There's no way for them to work when you've just gone and shoved a SNES in to a Jag shell. That would also explain the SNES flash cart used to play the games. This is not a prototype system."
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Coleco Chameleon .... hardware speculations?
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So then technically the controllers could not have been hard wired if they were attached to extension cables.