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What facts are you talking about? These are opinion based lists, and this is an opinion based thread. There are no facts the scientifically prove what PC was the best.

Sorry for the B-Language I'll clean it up. I'm not saying the Apple 2 is not Iconic. It most certainly is a very, very Iconic part of 8 bit history. And if the list was about being Iconic Apple 2 would be near the top of the list for sure. But the title of the article was 'The 25 Greatest PCs of All Time', which would imply to myself, everything including power, performance, innovation, etc. For which the C64 would certainly be included near the top of the list, and the Apple 2 would fall more around the middle to bottom'ish. And of course Atari at the top. That's all.

"Just because we don't like the results, or simply don't want to accept the underlying driver / criteria of the selection, does NOT invalidate the list." - Faicuai.

Sounds like you agree, the list is SH*T! Just because someone authored a list on a website, does NOT validate the list. If that's the criteria for being legit, I'll start a blog. If you're talking about the list and design philosophy, innovation, etc. then the APPLE 2 shouldn't be on the list at all. And neither should the abomination masquerading as a computer, called 'Mac' either. I'm not crapping on all Apple products - I really like my iPad, great battery life even after 7 years.

To be fair that list is crap. It also ranks the Apple 2 as the best pc ever, and the Apple 2 and Mac ahead of the Amiga. Amiga beat the F*ck out of those two computers in every way possible. Hell, my Atari's are certainly better than an Apple 2, and arguably better than a Mac. While I preferred my 130XE and 800 over the C64, to say that the top selling computer of all time doesn't deserve a place in the top 25 pc's ever is wrong.

Good to know it works on real drives. Appreciate the time to write it out to areal disk and run it.

He he, yeah I just had it skip all of the checksum sections. I think you raise a really good point. We all want to keep the cracks minimally invasive(And some of the original ones out there are terribly invasive), which would possibly mean keeping them in the ATX format but then we don't know which version is cracked or not. IMO it's less confusing to convert them to an ATR and then we know it's not a preserved copy.

I think he grew up in Ogden, and then moved to Salt Lake to go to college. Yes, Lagoon is where he worked. If you noticed the video arcade - Next to Dracula's Castle, I believe that old building used to house the old arcade style arcades like ski ball, digger crane, baseball, etc. Rumored where he got the idea to charge people money for arcade games. Nerdy trivia, but kind of cool too!

Hi Skr. There aren't a lot of Atari related locations here, but there is some Atari history. One of Atari's founders - Nolan Bushnell - grew up here. I don't know if that's really that interesting, but you could visit the Amusement park where he supposedly got the idea to charge people money for video games. And you could also visit the University of Utah where he graduated. Again maybe not super interesting. I live north of Salt Lake about 20 minutes. I'm free on weekends. My Atari stuff is in storage until I'm done with construction on my basement. But there are plenty of other things to do. Oktoberfest is running until the 21st, one of my favorites this time of year. Just let me know

Hi. Bruce Lee actually had 3 different protections if I remember correctly. It sounds like it is the double sector read that is causing the loading issues. This ATX -> ATR has the double sector check removed. Should work on Atari800WinPlus with the SIO Patch on. These work on an 130XE and an 800XL NTSC from aspeqt, respqt, and sio2sd. I don't own a real drive but should work fine. ReconstructedBruceLee.atr BruceLeeXEX.xex

For CIO, there are some good articles in ANALOG magazine explaining this - Issues 41, 42, 44, 46, 48, 49, and 50. The column is called "Boot Camp" - by Karl E. Wiegers. He also explains Player Missile Graphics and VBI a bit. I like the book "Atari Graphics and Arcade Game Design" - by Dan Pinal. It starts out with some games written in Basic and then progresses to Assembly Language later on in the book, helping bridge the gap somewhat.

Hi Bryan, Could you put me down for two of the plug-in boards please? Thanks.

I made these(attached files) a couple of years ago fooling around with Audacity, in a similar fashion to what Sheddy mentioned above - I used Audacity to sample, and C# to make a quick and dirty program that removed the low bits. You can hear the aliasing, but for what they are they sound pretty decent. Two of the files are larger and use bank switching so you'll want to use a computer with at least 128k. The Pink Floyd Song I used dithering to add some random noise but I wasn't impressed with the results(Of course that assumes I implemented dithering correctly) Press Start to replay the sample when it is finished. Ariana.atr MeAndYou.atr Style.xex