Gernot

i guess the idea is good while two isn't really good, it could end up in a stalemate we would need a third short game then my choice would be Golf, it's completely different to the other two, a game for a couch potato, not really short, but well, a chance to score for someone who's not good in Shark Shark but it's alittle unfair, no Golf is like the other, but no one said you would have to play only one round, best score of 3? it would take to long i guess do we have another game for a couch potato?.... no! only two player games. in case of a stale-mate a run-off in one of the two, chosen by throwing a coin. let's summarize - "Astrosmash Competition" * limited to 10 mins (must be played emulated evtl. except yeah i expect you have all the goodies) - Shark! Shark! in case of a stale-mate a run-off in either one shark shark is a classic, one can start the game by pressing [3] in "advantage to the kid mode", just as a hint. *i have it open in a hex editor, 8Kb thats very small, astonishing small, the reason is i like to find out if i can't change the countdown though it would count upwards ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- off topic (a little) hmm... recently i checked Nostalgia for the kaillera support, do you use Nostalgia? you are online now, i would just like to know if that works when i host "Shark! Shark!" Nostalgia isn't listed in "Kaillera"s homepage as supported emu, but it seems it works, i can host the game on a server. if that works i would really like (has nothing to do with this small competition) to open a thread (pinned?) to play a game with who ever is interested to play one or vice versa or who ever likes to play a two player game. Bliss would work as well, but i would have to install Bliss first. i mean what about a "Intellivision Soccer World Cup"? (first ever?) the 2x10mins hack i made a couple of years ago (1st, the recent one is stripped of "potsmoke66 presents - Super Fussball" that's a bit mean), but certainly i had such in mind when i made the hack. wow that's about ten years ago, but i had no possibility to meet with other players back in those days. but it's necessary to meet in a forum for such, or a chatline, but even this exist here. does anyone have experiences with Nostalgia and kaillera? note to myself: "fix that old joystick first gernot" -- "aye sir, soldering iron - plugged in" even more off topic Intellivision Golf (v0.1, it's a old version, i made better ones, 18 hole) in Sid's SimGolf (just because of the season) not good enough? ok then let's see what tiger can do (second attempt to recreate it in twpga2k, i have a 3rd unfinished project with own horizons and objects) attentive watchers might find reminescences to Intellivision games, maybe a running man somewhere or a hot-dog....

that's Nintendos "advantage to the kid" mode ▀▄ (chess for beginners)

What's up players? If no one else has a idea do i have to suggest one? it's really just because i like 1) each interested should have the same chance 2) play a game, that's why i'm here i could throw a dice as well, but no that's not funny. or like i posted BBWW was the early bird... It's not only about "Shark! Shark!" i took the interest in it as a reason to start maybe some competitions, i know we have the higscore thread, but i have something else in mind. I have some time left to organize things (some? if i would have money like i have time i would beat mr. gates, but i prefere time to money, always did, you live how often?) possibility 1 we play for a highscore a time limited game, either i.e. "Astrosmash Competition" or any else game and set a time limit each would have to keep. possibility 2 something i really would like to start here (or does that exist?) to compete via "Kaillera". it would allow to compete exactly in "Shark! Shark!", why not? (future) possibility 3 play it in the browser, i like what happens in the archive, JSBliss and JSMESS open new possibilities, it would be a question how to take care about for the Administrator(s), if at all. --- poss. 1 would be the easiest, but like i said we have a highscore thread, but for once it would be fine. poss. 2 that's what i like to do, start here the idea for more such player vs. player competitions, about a thing one likes to get or just for fun. we compete via kaillera and a prescripted emulator (it must be the same because of sync). poss. 3 is written in the stars... --- OK, i guess "Todd" has to saddle this horse. LET'S PLAY... "Astrosmash Competition" is that fine for everybody (if there is someone else left as just BBWW, else we won't have to play)? i suggest 10mins, that's short and not to hard the goal is to score as much as possible in a rather easy game. how to make that proof? simply by trusting and a screenshot of the score (probably a hack... that needs some time)

I showed them off, why shouldn't i upload them here? It's a set of 181 icons, some games have alternate versions The idea is, resp. i use them to start the games from a shortcut i.e. to JZINTV The size of the icons is 256x256, big enough to be showed nicely as "large" or "extra large" icons in the explorer window. I feel it's a not only nice also a neat way to run Intellivision emulated on a PC, which emulator you might prefere ever. Of course it leaks of overlays get shown, best solution to this was imo "INTV Win" which showed the overlays at right side of the playfield in "INTV Win" But "INTV Win" is obsolate, it runs only in XP compatibility mode on recent machines. A far better solution, if one needs the overlay at all and if neither a original controller or original overlays are at hand, is to print them out, in this way you can play the game using your favorite joypad (i.e. a playstation pad or similar) and place the printed out overlay somewhere on your desk or stick it on the monitors border. If you are very common with a game you won't need them at all and starting them from a shortcut is something nice. intyicons.zip I'm aware it's a lot of work to make all the shortcuts to the games, a hint: create a template shortcut and enter all commandline options even the path to the bin's but don't call a specific bin or rom with it, also i suggest to select already a default icon for this template, i.e. "runningman.ico" (present in the "Intyicons.zip"). this template shortcut you can copy into a folder named i.e. "MyIntellivision" and edit the left missing name of the bin which is to call as well to select the proper icon from the icons folder which is fortunately already selected in the template. finally rename the shortcut to the games name. certainly one doesn't have to use them all, maybe one likes to start only his favorites in this way, it's a good solution for this. It could look like this: Sometimes it's simply the boxfront image, sometimes i took a little effort to fit them better to the square size of a icon, certain ones are cutout (i.e. all intellivoice games). Some could be made better, like the "Atari" and some "Coleco" releases they didn't look good to me and i will change them once. You might have noticed in the picture above a "Inty Jukebox" it's nothing else as a shortcut to a simple batch which will call JZ's Songplayer demos one after the other. "Oldskool" and "Partyline" are not ideal, but even this can still be changed. It's relatively easy with GIMP to create the icons, just cutout the image, scale it i.e. to 512x512 pixels, scale it down to 256x256 pixels (why so complicated? if you scale the non square images directly down to 256x256pixels the result isn't as good as if you scale the image larger as it will be finally, downscaling later in the same aspect is better) set a alpha channel and convert the image to 8bit + alpha channel, use either no or a ordered dithering this gives the best results when used later in the explorer, because they won't probably appear in the full size and if scaled down by the explorer a "Floyd-Steinberg" dithering won't look good. make a rectangular selection but this time specify "rounded corners" 15 to 25 pixels depending on the original is usually fine, inverse the selection and erase the spare rounded corners, export the icon as .ico in GIMP, GIMP will ask you in which format, if it's a 8bit one it will be preselected. I converted all to 8bit, it saves some bytes and the result is as good as a 24bit icon if you use no or a ordered dithering for 8bit depth.

part two, i made a capture of "Astrosmash Competition", for two reasons, to check if it acts the same as "Astrosmash" in case for starting with either [3] or [DISC]. further to show what i meant with the "wrong" aspect of NTSC compared to PAL. It's very easy to make this proof with "Astrosmash" because of the spare turrets, if the aspect isn't 100% proper, the turrets on the bottom will have different sized "eyes" (the dot in the centre of the turret). As you can see this isn't the case in this clip and the resolution i chose is 1192x720 to fit it to YT's HD dimensions. This won't appear on a NTSC screen neither on a PAL screen, both screens have a aspect of 4:3, PAL writes a few lines more, the result is on PAL the playfield is closer to letterbox, on NTSC it's closer to 4:3, but there will be no different sized "eyes" because it writes the same amount of lines, it's only somewhat streched on NTSC. Which one is "original" NTSC or PAL doesn't matters, base for my thoughts was only 159x96 and it's reproduced in proper aspect. MESS i.e. declares a res. of 189x240 resp. to get the proper aspect 318x240, but if i use this aspect as base the "eyes" of the spare turrets will be different sized. One a little wider next a little thinner. while truely it's a tiny little bit streched horizontally, there are still differences between the turrets to see, but i will see by what this is caused, resp. try to acheive better results, "Astrosmash" is ideal to compare this because the turrets should be all the same, size and distance between must be the same, if that isn't the case, something isn't 100% accurate imho. Obviousely "Nostalgia" emulates the Inty a little to fast a screenshot from MESS not only streched in height for my choice you can see well the "eyes" have different sizes.

No ideas for a game to compete in? If it would be possible to play player vs. player i would suggest my 2x10mins soccer hack. "Astrosmash Competition" would be a alternative, but i can't play it on the original hardware. Besides, i checked briefly the "highscore" thread and noticed that it wasn't declared how to start "Astrosmash" (if i'm right) but even if it's noted nowhere Astrosmash, like many others as well, has different speeds to start with, in the common way [3] is slowest over [2] and [1] to [4] or any other key or [DISC] is fastest. I had this still in mind, made it proof yesterday and made a short clip. Unfortunately it's a bad clip, i have to learn how to handle my camera again, it's quite a while ago since i used it and i can't change something on resoulution or durance of the record, thus the clip is only 30sec and bad in quality. However, it's enough, best watch how fast my ship (or better turret) moves, this shows the difference best. Certainly i could have played it emulated and the quality would be far better as well a unlimited record time, it was a test. Though if i would suggest now a "Astrosmash Competition" 15mins it's obvious it must be started by pressing on the DISC. Like i said this counts for many classic Intellivision games, even if there is nothing noted in the manual (i guess it's hardware bound?).

until there is only one, you. let's see who flocks in else. and i definatly have to visit my mother, anyway, she feels lonely sometimes she calls me "Gernot i have a problem with my TV" Ja ja, "problem with your TV" - you like to see me. Today i fixed my TV (i bought it second hand for 10 bucks), or as far as it was possible to adjust it for gaming, the screen is still out of angle and this is disturbing (for a construction worker, it hurts my eyes). But it looks like i can't adjust that, the board is as usual only the half of what it should be, i downloadet the shematic layout for it, "we don't need that it saves us 5cents". But at least it's centered now, quiet sharp and doesn't flickers to much. Nice, i was out on saturday to buy it, was in a hurry to catch the bus, but missed it, let's take a walk. and lost my door keys - argh (never lost keys since i'm 7, i know i'm a chaotic, but i learned to take care for a few important things, i have no idea how it happened, distracted as usual. Still i'm the 7 year old boy and when i see something of interest, that might be a plant or a bird, i forget everything around me) best of all, it started to snow.... However, it didn't pulls me down. i keep my humor, i guess since i'm divorced a lot must happen before i lose my humor.

that was the idea. seems i have a mutuality with "freeweed", we can write 1000 words to explain something another explains with one sentence.

ah yes it might take me a week or so, but i have to check my moms place, i still believe some cartridges are still alive, if i own already a "Shark! Shark!" (i'm not sure, i really will have to check this first) then i would apreciate a alternative to it, i.e. "AD&D" (because this game i always wanted and never found here in switzerland, but i love to play this game, it contains something our "new" devs of Pioneer never understood, to use procedural generated things in a intelligent way, not only to create systems and planet surfaces with it, no, to build "the game" with it. because "missions" are something repetive, one can figure out how that works, what are the elements a mission is build with, and from such you could generate always new missions, new challanges exactly like the dungeons in AD&D, the principle is the same "puzzle pieces" which fit on all borders to each other and this can be made with missions as well. It's beautiful to explore the galaxy in pioneer, but after that you like to play. they can spend a year to tinker on voronoi routines to make the borders and sizes of factions, but to be honest the result is pretty much the same as "half and half", useless imho. apart from that 3 factions are far better as 100. it might hve been a challange for the devs but to the player it makes 0 difference. They lost themself in all this details and certainly leak of a "lunatic" like me who keeps the overview to it, who says "the player is king") condition won't matter.

It seems i own a somewhat rare examplary of "Shark! Shark!" two showed already interest in it, to me it won't matter rare or not, and i would like to hand it to a collector. the only condition is i like to have the same cartridge in return it can be in what condition ever as long as the cartridge still works, even "in pieces" i can fix that. but i don't like to favour one and my idea was to start a competition for it. i neither like to say "beat me astrosmash", even when i'm a mediacre astrosmasher only. my idea is competetors should find a suitable game in a democratic process, each must feel fine with the chosen game to compete in. shipping costs for the Boxed "Shark! Shark!" i will pay, while the winner certainly will have to pay the shipping costs for the returning cartridge, that's fair. I REALLY DON'T NEED A BOX! i like to play the games on the original hardware that's all. Simpliest solution would be compete in "Shark! Shark!", but like i said, one might guess "oh no anything but not this game, i'm not good in it". thus post your suggestions and we certainly find something which all evtl. competetors are satisfied with. except the shit wouldn't be worth the shipping costs for you. but no, a blister bag won't cost much to ship to switzerland $5 or $10 or something like that. to me the fun would be worth $10, i spend $10 easy for less useful things (two pints of beer i.e.). But you can also say it's a stupid idea and i forget that. Or in a other case, if there are only two who have interest in it and they agreed to that either one can get it, you won't need to compete. but i thought it could be fun. In the end it depends on how important it is to you, i really have no idea, i'm new here. collecting things in this kind of way never meant much to me (else i collect a lot, i'm a sort of messie, but it's bound only to practical things "can i use this in future?"). the object of interest (the perspective view is because of the else annoying reflection of the flash) greez "Dr. Zharkov"

Hyperboy i'm certainly not the metal head (i'm a ex greaser), have no idea about it, but "Disturbed" i like. if such is allowed to comment. is posting a clip rude? else i have to copy paste interesting looking entries, but if a clip is already present it makes it easier. That's it for the other one - the Grateful Dead http://spacesimcentral.com/ssc/topic/2638-pioneer-musical-appreciation-society/

ts, greedy... I'm JEALOUS! in no way

yep, i thought something like that, that's why i asked.

I'm Down - The Beatles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnda4xNTros

Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty

print your own box ok, it's not the international release, but tell me that's no actual box, looks almost like a printing sheet but something smells fishy and it's not the shark. but i found a interesting alternative "Demon Attack" i like that game, that's why i borrowed some from it the "little green man" (bonus life) is a snapshot from "game factory" to sad i didn't managed it for this clip to get to the level boss of the last level, it's a zeppelin and similar to the "green monster" it has only one weak point, a big laser gun, which is covered the most time, but if open it will fire a broad beam.

trial version will i've readed that a few days ago (i didn't knew). but to buy it? problematic for one without a credit card, neither i see a big sense for me to buy it. maybe i can whine a little, it helped once, i can't remember exactly which software it was, but i downloaded once a so called "free" software, installed it and noticed it was a trial version which really had no use as trial (e.g. save/load disabled) i wrote a e-mail and said that this isn't proper to call it "free" if you can't use it really, a few days later i received the full version for free. It can help if you open your mouth really i think that's needed sometime, Logitech for a long time didn't offered drivers for OSX, one commented that they claimed to release a multiplatform release and he simply asked what has happened to this, "where is it now?" since i was working on my mothers macbook then and liked to use my joypad as well on it, i backed him up, maybe a third and so on. At least since last year they offer now a OSX driver & profiler software. the only useful solution else for OSX is "USB overdrive" costs $30 and is clumsy to use, for $30 you get a quite good pad from Logitech with profiler. $5 would be enough and i guess he would sell his software far better. apart from that you can't compare any "homebrew" profiler to the original one, the Logitech profiler doesn't only maps keystrokes to the buttons or axes, the control for old games when i map the cursor keys to the axes is usually better as if i use the joystick support of the game. at least it comes very close to a analog input even when it's only keystrokes. "a good is a good and a bad is a bad" i honored them for the quality and the else good support they do and also joked about the loss in sales and said "maybe the quality is to good" i still use a over 10 year old steering wheel and a same aged cordless rumble pad, the very first from logitech, it was a must have for me back then. but unlike for HP i will always recommend Logitech for input devices, while i will never buy anything from HP. The customer is king and he must use this right to choose he has. experimenting, for "schraubensack2" one of the predecessors of the machine i use now (schraubensack4) i "builded" the driver for the Mustek scanner, means it was from different sources and somehow i managed it to make it work. but i guess right now, to use my old machine is the easiest way, i won't need the scanner often. i'm just to lazy to install a windows (maybe ME) registering the installed XP didn't worked out so far. but sometimes i'm simply impatient, that's all. and photographs should work as well for the catalog, i assume. Yeah, it's a old casio camera quite good optic even though it has only 5M pixels, it's still far better as a handy with 12M pixels. plugged it into my new machine and the driver was installed, bam! that's what i expect, no matter how old, you bought a product of quality.

tried that already half a year ago, it didn't worked out. the scanner is recognized but didn't responds. but i can give that a try again, but vuescan isn't free no? it leaves a watermark if i'm right. to post a scan of a catalog it won't matter, but i can't use this to scan my pictures i.e. thanks also for the hint with linux, freeweed it's a option yes. i never ran linux, thought once about it, because it would have made sense for "Pioneer Space Sim", there aren't so many linux users (even less OSX users) and it's always good if a little more experienced one can help other users with the game. many years i used a old Mustek scanner, a monster of a scanner in a metal case unfortunatley it's a scsi one, such is hardly supported by any motherboard now, certainly not with my cheap medion, i have neither a IDE slot to mount any old card, i miss my SB the build in is tard. as a final solution, i still have two old machines, i'm only a little to lazy and recently i have only one monitor (and one saved from trashing, i would need a powersupply for it but 12V 3A is heavy duty), nice guy as i am i gifted once one to my sister (and kept the older one, ts, no money in the pocket but gifts his things...). ---------------- now what we gonna do with Shark! Shark! ? a lottery? a competition? like i said to me the box didn't matters much i'm no collector. thus if i can get the same game in return why not? or if i can keep the cartridge. but i guess you would like it complete, box and cartridge, that's obvious. i guess a competition in something would be fair, though anyone who's interested in it has the same chance condition is only i like to get the same game (not same game - shark! shark!) in return, with or without box. would cost us a few $ for shipping recently i ran out of money, i have SFr 8.- left in my wallet, that's not much. but thursday i receive my money from welfare. beat me in astrosmash 500'000 is not to much it's possible to beat,

took the challange but didn't beated him

Bilingual, french and german. only one canton speaks italian, "ticino" and a few villages in "graubünden", often italian is neglected because of that. french is already a third of switzerland and i know a few ppl all around the world even believe it's our national language. it was once, when switzerland was occupied by napoleon, he modernized switzerland, school, traffic and local governing. it was also very modern to speak french back then, similar like in germany, studied ppl spoke french not german. i also have only one manual in italian from "skiing", therefore it has no else, i assume it's a italian release. probably, if they sold some at all in ticino, they sold there italian releases, it would make sense. the Intellivision was really rare to see in switzerland, most owned either a atari or because of the same release date here a colecovosion. i guess it was released here a little to late. personally i guess colecovision was preferred by the shops, usually when they showed the consoles in competition it attracted far more young ppl as the Inty. It's bound to the closeness of coleco had to arcade machines, while i never liked it, i missed the sports games and thought the games are sloppy animated. it wasn't sold well, this i know. and it vanished after two years from the stores. seen i have the intellivision quite early at the FERA (Schweizerische Radio- und Fernseh-Ausstellung), 1980 in zurich, but it wasn't sold here at this time yet. zumindest nicht in dem kuhdorf aus welchem ich komme but anyway i had to buy this with my own money, my parents wouldn't have giftet it to me, i guess my mother didn't liked the idea of computergames. but my father certainly liked it when i bought it new and we played often golf together, until, yeah daddy "needed" his news, i had to buy me a own tv set. mother finally found the running man also very funny to watch "nein, wie das nur schon aussieht" but she never liked seeing me playing games like "armor battle", wargames is something where her understanding ends. as she's a "trümmerkind" this is comprehensible, to alive are the memories of war.

a) Like i said, "what the heck is so special about it?" b) i guess BBWW was quicker "dr flinker isch dr handlicher" (the quicker is the handy one) or "wer zuerst kommt mahlt zuerst"

which catalog exactly? the one i unfolded? --- i could prob. make scans the problem is, since i have a 64bit win7 i can't use my HP scanner anymore (1000s of ppl got the same problem, i never will buy anything from HP, it sucks, it seems with every new Windoze they stop supporting "old" HW "Werfer eins feuer frei!"). It's impossible to find a driver and to run it from within a VM is a stupid solution. But if nothing else helps i will have to. (also i'm not convinced it will work, VM or not if something doesn't works because you have a 64bit machine this stays, as i found out). but why should i trash some working hardware because of a lousy piece of software? but if i'm in right mood i will see what i can do.

does it have to be b&w? i have a green frogbog in german and a blue one in french.

great fred! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D King Harvest - The Band

On the junk certainly not? No, i wasn't asking about that, the serial number is rather easy to find on the box or on the console. It's the condition i'm not certain about, CIB, i guess that's ok, "CIB german" it has a "TÜV" label obviousely it's a german box, also i recognized that the swiss general importer was only a subsidiary of the german seat in hamburg, i found that info on the back of the catalog. While i assume for certain language specific things they must have had a different way to get to it, because in germany certainly they don't sold cartridges with french or italian manuals, neither i think that cartridges was packet especially for the samall market in switzerland. I assume it was a "mix" and they might have packet it here for the different languages. Switzerland is polylingual, we have 4 national languages, german, french, italian and "rumansch" Some boxes and this i remeber also, included manuals for all three languages, while boxes & manuals like for "Shark! Shark!" are already polylingual. read about "rumansch" in the spoiler (or "let's play...") I found some quite interesting stuff in some of the boxes, it's cool that everything is in such a good condition. I found a "Game Owners Club" membership registration... I WANT TO BECOME A MEMBER! For "Skiing" there is only a italian manual inside, i didn't think he lost the others, else everything is complete, more as complete, i said i found even personal notes to the games of him. Someone who is such circumspect doesn't loses a manual certainly not the one in his own language. While lunatic Gernot? c'mon boxes and manuals in foreign languages was the first i trashed, "i don't need that" and the cartridges was stored in a suitable floppydisk case, i'm a rather practical thinking person. Never took much care to my toys, not even to things i made myself "i can do that again, it's just matter". It's easy to see when one reads the spoiler, i only care for us humans, that's important! the rest is "just dead matter". But like a said no critics, i understand the collecting well, especially in this case, yes i have to say it moved me a little, holding the boxes in my hand in the condition they are and i thought to myself "only good not everybody thinks like you".