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  1. Well sir, you seem to be doing your homework. Have you been to your local PET store and asked these same questions? No? I didn't think so. You see, in most populated areas, you can drive 5 miles in any direction and find a Radio Shack store. Each store can provide you with technical support, software, peripherals and even repairs. Can Commodore offer you any of that? What are you planning on doing with your new computer? At this moment I can offer you an inexpensive 4K RAM model with built in BASIC programming language, a data cassette recorder for loading and saving programs, 64 column text display, 128X48 graphics and a full size ALPS keyboard with spring switches and sculptured keys that rival the best electric typewriters. This is the perfect beginners system for the hobbyist. If you're going to be writing your own programs, I can easily bump the RAM up to 16K for a nominal cost. Here...have a seat and give that keyboard a try. Practically types for you, doesn't it? And isn't that 64 columns of text especially nice for writing professional looking reports? If you're looking to run a business and are willing to wait a few weeks, I can order our top tier model with the expansion interface. You'll get 48K RAM, Level II BASIC, up to four (yes four!) high speed mini disk drives that allows massive amounts of storage retrieval in the blink of an eye, a high quality printer and a telephone interface that lets you communicate with other computers anywhere in the world at a blazing 30 characters per second. Of course you can start off with our low cost base model and upgrade at anytime with whatever options you want. If you're technically minded, I can include the Service Manual which covers everything from theory of operation to troubleshooting and repair. Any parts you may ever need can be ordered from any of our thousands of locations throughout the US. And since we're such a big company, you can rest assured you'll be seeing endless amounts of software and peripherals being released for years to come. Heck, we already have a newsletter that gets sent to current owners. Now when you find a PET dealer, be sure to ask them if their text only 40 column system can be expanded beyond 8K. If you inquire about mini disk drives, don't be surprised if they don't know what those are. You see, the PET wasn't designed for them...although I hear they may have a solution several years from now. And be sure you try out its flat membrane keyboard which isn't much larger than that pack of cigarettes in your shirt pocket. Between you and me, I think they bought out overstock from a cash register company. I'm sure I'll be seeing you soon. Have a good day!
  2. Seller needs to invest in a camera made this century. Looks like 4 controller ports. On/Off switch on right and game select switch on left. I'm guessing an Ultra Pong Doubles.
  3. I've been looking for a good used 5¼" 1.2mb floppy drive. I don't care what brand or even the faceplate color as long as it works. Apparently I've been looking in the wrong places, can you please point me to one for $20 bucks?
  4. I had a new EX and later a new SL. Deskmate wasn't a selling point for me and I never made much use out of either. I think I paid $10 for a word processor with spellcheck at Egghead and that's what I used for all my school work. Deskmate's text for my EX seemed cheesy in comparison. A GUI taking up system resources, even when upgraded to 640K and 2 floppy drives, was more of a novelty. It was pointless trying to launch other DOS programs through its file system. Hell, I even avoided MS Windows up until Me. The SL version did have slick music and sound sampling programs that took advantage of the built in DAC. I did use that quite a bit. Deskmate and DOS were also built into ROM and could instantly boot to C:\ in the blink of an eye. When I installed my hard drive, that did away with the ROM containing Deskmate, but iirc I could hold a certain key during boot to disable the hard drive and start off the ROM again.
  5. I had a nice eMachine from Best Buy that I bought in '00 right as Windows Me was released. I think I paid $400 and got a $100 rebate. Time went on and I gave it to a relative. Never had a complaint and I actually liked Me. About 15 years later I got a postcard in the mail over an eMachine class action lawsuit. Thought it was a scam since I thought eMachines went out of business ages ago and wasn't sure how they found my address as I had moved 15 years earlier. It has something to do with a defective floppy disk drive...never had any issues with mine. For the heck of it I filled it out and sent it back. Maybe 2 years later I got another post card giving me two choices. Take a $50 payout or go to a website, put in a PIN and select a new computer. Website contained Gateway computers. I picked out a kick ass quadcore desktop with 8gb RAM, DVD drive, 1TB HD, keyboard, etc. Brand new and shipped to me for free. Crazy how Gateway got nailed for something dating back to 1997. I'm guessing the class action started when eMachines was still in business and went along with them when sold.
  6. Already got my ticket for Saturday and Sunday. Can't wait! Just too bad those who come in from other countries won't be able to. Will you be going?
  7. I think #1, but Mr. Scabies is siding with #2 depending on how much control Nolan would have and for how long. It was a pleasant discussion and we both respected each others' opinions.
  8. I encountered this guy in the recent tape vs disk topic which mirrors this one. After some back and forth, I decided to look back at his post history...holy crap does this guy have issues! He knows everything and he is right 100% of the time. If you disagree in the least with anything he says: he'll talk down on you, say you have no clue, your comment is irrelevant, can't comprehend what he's saying, grasping at straws, twisting his words, you're confused or your claims are just your opinion while his are facts. His facts are often general marketing newspaper articles, never something like a scan from a magazine, Computer Shopper or a sales flyer back in the day with actual products and pricing. Instead of replying to him, you're better off going into your backyard and telling it to a squirrel instead. It'll comprehend you more and the chatter you get back from it will make more sense. This is just a quick random sample of his typical posts on Atari Age and it seriously just goes on and on:
  9. The Atari Supercharger was awesome and seemed to do something my Model III never did, and that was multi loads. I loved how you can reach a certain point in a game and then press play to advance to the next levels with your score and stats in place. I can't recall any Model III games that did that. You could save your place in an adventure game and that's about it.
  10. You said it wasn't the III/IV. Now you're claiming it wasn't the CoCo and I'm putting words in your mouth? So what the fuck Tandy system are you talking about? What's your next claim? You were talking about the floppy disks themselves? At this point I'm assuming you're high on the Spectrum...and I'm not talking about the computer. No, because most of your posts are vague, all over the place and make little sense. WTF does that even mean? The only way you were getting a $300 Tandon in '82 was as a bare drive. That's why I mentioned adding a drive controller, case, power supply, cables and OS. Did you just not read that? Does your brain not register that? Give me one example of a computer in 1982 that had a $300 disk drive system available for it (actually LESS than $300 as you put it). Model III, CoCo, Atari, Apple, Commodore, anything...your choice! I want an actual answer, not some babbling sperg reply. Hint, the 1541 which was the start of affordable drives (not Tandy) was $400 in 1982.
  11. Did you miss where I said the CoCo? The COLOR COMPUTER userbase was nothing compared to Atari and Commodore. Go to the Tandy section of vcfed and tell me how many topics you find on them. I attend the Tandy Assembly convention every year and the Model II series has a bigger presence. The fact that you think the CoCo had some influence or "lock" on the market when it comes to disk systems within the US shows how little you know of the subject. Go to eBay and search for CoCo disk drives. 7 appear with 5 being from the same seller. Now search for Atari, Apple or Commodore disk drives. It's also very rare to find a CoCo system being sold with disk drives as most people didn't upgrade them from cassette due to the high cost and lack of disk software. Yes, Tandy dominated the market for years and it was the I, III, IV, II and 100 that accounted for most of it. They probably sold tens of thousands to schools alone. I've owned my Model III going on 40 years and I lived the era within the US. Atari and especially Commodore influenced the disk drive market in this country. Even the Apple Disk II was cheaper than a CoCo drive 0! And I already did the math in post 25 on the $1100 it would have cost to upgrade my Model III. No, actually you said: The first sentence is flat out weird and doesn't really make grammatical sense. The only way to take it is that you're talking about low priced floppy systems, of which I already debunked. "Unless you didn't mind weak monochrome pcs." could easily be taken as "those low priced disk computers are good as long as you don't want power and color." Cheap PC monochrome? As is what? IBM and clones which were never cheaper than a CoCo, III or IV? No, he actually described it quite well: Lol Yeah, now tell me what good that drive will do without a disk controller, power supply, case, cables and OS.
  12. Ok, the context was weird, but you STILL haven't mentioned the Tandys you were talking about. If you're talking about the CoCo (still don't really know?), RS had no lock on the market with the computers themselves...they were barely a blip on the radar screen compared to Atari 8 bits and Commodore. Furthermore, it was $600 to add a disk drive to a computer that only cost $400. Even by the mid 80s, drive 0 still cost more than the CoCo2. I'm guessing it was cheaper at any given year to add a drive to an Atari or Commodore. Not sure what other Tandy you may be talking about that locked in the low cost floppy market. Model 100 is about all that's left. I asked you legitimate questions about the Spectrum line and how it progressed, but you didn't answer any of them. I just did some quick Googling on the 2068 and I have to ask why it would not have been considered unusable junk in the US, just weeks away from 1984? A VIC20 was a better computer and the C64 (which decimated the 2068 1000X over) was already price cut to about the same as the 2068. Floppy drives were still very expensive during that time, but at least they were available and we were buying computers with future expandability in mind. And seriously...chiclet keyboards? By 1986 the BBS scene exploded and trading warez at 300 baud was all the rage for Atari, Apple, Commodore and PC owners. Were Spectrum BBSs a thing? And if I needed to turn in a report at school, did I have any options for a real printer? The laughable thermal printer would have got me an F and detention.
  13. Then what low end, weak, cheap monochrome Tandy computers were you talking about? I even asked you to elaborate on what Tandy computers and you replied without mentioning any models. I ruled out CoCo because they're not monochrome. Model I was off the market by 1980 and was technically more expensive to upgrade to disk than a Model III. And what's with the mild hostility over a discussion on vintage computers? Are you upset over my comment on the Timex Sinclair? Sorry, but it was absolutely useless in the American market. They were sold in drugstores next to Norelco shavers. I wasn't discussing that, so I'm not sure how I omitted anything. Do you mean something like Atari 8 bits? Yeah, they are awesome computers. I got into them in the early 90s (very late in the game) with my 130XE. All 3 of my 1050 drives still work great and I've never even had to align them. I can't see any sane person preferring tape over any Atari floppy drive. They weren't cheap during the heyday, but most found way to upgrade to one or two. Same can be said for the C64 drives, although they were painfully slow. And I don't understand your last sentence. Prevention of what?
  14. Going off topic here: The III and IV started off at $1,000 with no drives, not exactly cheap for the early 80s. Not low end at all. The base system was the building block for serious business machines and promises were kept, no vaporware. They were used in large corporations due to endless amounts of high end software such as word processors, spreadsheets, data bases, accounts payable and CAD programs (640X240 graphics look at my avatar). They were also used in engineering, labs, hospitals, machine shops for lathes, schools, etc. As far as disk drives go, mine supports up to FOUR: SD or DD SS or DS 40 track or 80 track 5¼, 8" and 3.5" It can run a total of EIGHT drives when you include Hard Drives. Mine is currently set up with two DSDD Tandons and six hard drives using FreHD. 19200 baud RS232 Hi Res graphics board with 32K of dedicated RAM Parallel printer port It also has an Orchestra 90 with 5 voice stereo music. Outside of FreHD, everything is period correct. Only comparable competition in the same price range at the time was Apple and they were also far from cheap. The Model II was strictly business with a price tag to match, and oddities like the Superbrain had no real support network. The closest I've been to a ZX Spectrum were the Timex Sinclairs, which were sold at drug stores and grocery stores around here. Slightly less useful than an Aquarius imo. Were any of the Spectrum models ever used for anything outside of a home? I'm assuming they eventually did better than 32 column and got floppy support? Were there any hard drives for them back in the day? How was the communication side of things, were they able to call into a BBS and download programs...or better yet, run a BBS? What was the UK's powerful computer of the early 80s that could be used at home or easily upgraded to a monster capable of running a large business? I'm now starting to be intrigued by the endless amount of vintage Soviet computers on eBay. There should be at least a few cool systems that aren't knock offs.
  15. I'm not sure what you're saying, can you elaborate on those comments? Are you saying Tandy's computers with floppy drives (such as the Model III and IV) were low end, cheap and weak?
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