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    I did not make that site that I linked. That is someone else's site. I just thought I would check all his links and stuff and try to contribute. Maybe to make a little money on the side.

     

     

    Firstly, Atari Corporation and Atari Games were two different companies. Atari Corp. made the Jaguar. Atari Games made Gauntlet Legends.

     

    Secondly, by the time Gauntlet Legends was released the Jaguar was dead. Atari Corp. had gone the way of the dodo by 1996.

    Ah okay, thanks. Sucks they never did a PC port of that game oh well.

    "In 1973, Atari's Space Race was a space-themed arcade game where players controlled spaceships that race against opposing ships, while avoiding comets and meteors. It was a competitive two-player game controlled using a two-way joystick, and was presented in black and white graphics.[1] The same year, Taito released a similar space-themed racing game Astro Race, which used an early four-way joystick.[2]?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_video_game#1970s

    This means Atari did Space Race first right? None of the developers are listed on the wiki page but I guess that is common of arcade games right?

  3. Posted · Edited by Buffki

    Okay I will try to shift over to gamedev.net. Thank you all for humoring me.

    Sorry to break the news, but this tells me that jaguar coding really isn't for you. If you want to code on a retro platform and it has to be Atari, get yourself an Atari 800XL and a SIO to PC device and start at the bottom with BASIC. There is still plenty of fun to be had on an 8-bit platform. The Altirra emulator will come in handy too. Once you get your head around BASIC then you can progress to 6502 assembler.

    Failing that, download the free version of GameMaker: Studio and start having fun.

    Ah okay no thank you. I do not mean to be rude but I am looking to make a polygonal 3D game even if it takes 10 times longer than a 2D game would. I have tried learning programming numerous times but it just goes over my head lol. I know 22 is pretty late to start. When did you all start learning development? When I was a younger I dabbled in RPG maker... I was interested in creating a low poly game that could be ported across many OS and platforms (smartphones, PC, etc).

    My dad bought me a playstation when I was a kid (pretty spoiled) in like 1998 or 1999 I can't remember. Just Sony is not cool enough to release dev kits (well didn't matter since we sold to upgrade to ps2) but it is no biggie because it seems like PC/mobile is better suited for me anyways. I might be able to get like 20 bucks for the ps2. Would you all recommend buying a book or just using free internet tutorials like CPP.com Free to play seems like a good model with optional microtransactions.

    Playstation does not sound Japanese which is kind of funny because Atari does sound Japanese but is American.

    While I am here though, what was first Taito's Astro Race or Atari's Space race? Since you are all enthuisiasts and I am 22. http://ultimatehistoryvideogames.jimdo.com/

    Oh and one more quick inquiry... Why didn't Atari make a Jaguar version of Gauntlet Legends if they owned the IP? Was it too intensive?

     

    Quite correct. Using an already well supported and documented application to build low poly count models and texture them with ultra low resolution textures will be much harder than creating your own 3D engine on custom RISC cpus that you have never heard of before.

     

    That part is simple, after all it only needs programmer skills like logic flow, assembly, understanding Japanese RAM, math, etc. Making the poly models 'only' needs an artist.

     

    You'll be done by the weekend!

    Psssh, with my skills I will be done in 4 years with a simple 3D game if I can even make one. I probably will go for the Top Down perspective.

    (I did not know Tic Tac Toe was based from Roman history).

    Love the ambition here... see you in 20 years and several 2D puzzle games later. :lol:

     

    Speaking of puzzle games... Tetrisphere *still* needs to be ported over. Should you wish to accept this challenge... :rolling:

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrisphere

     

    attachicon.gif N64_Tetrisphere.PNG

    Nintendo would sue me to hell and back. They shut down the Unity Mario 64 remake pronto right?
    Alpha Waves was the first 3D platformer and Banjo Kazooie is way better than Mario 64... Is the reason people want Mario because it would be easier to port (less system intense or something).

    Maybe if Microsoft bought Tetrisphere's studio than they could remove any reference to Nintendo and let fans/hobbyists do as they please right?

     

    Buffki,

     

    Learning to program is quite commendable. However, learning programming on a 20 year old, no longer supported platform is probably not the right choice.

     

    I appreciate your enthusiasm.

     

    -Pete

    Thanks, I know a lot of people are ambitious though. That is why I am trying not to flatter myself until I have some form of results.

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    Stop messing up this thread by the really active Buffki guy who really, really looks like he might be the next Trip Hawkings or something by pretending your going to do stuff at some point :P

    Well, I had sod get in my eyes (know that is not an excuse). I took a break from learning to program because of that. The hardest part will probably be animating the polygons and building them right? Even simple polygon models can take days right? (not including textures).

     

    You all think 3D platformer would be the best game for a beginner? Or does the genre matter much?

  5. Posted · Edited by Buffki

     

    Generic robots came out in the 50s - the copyrights have all expired.

     

    You're free to clone, say, Super Mario 64 and call it Mega Barrio and you'd be fine. "64" isn't copyrightable as the Jaguar has 64-bits as well.

     

    Emulating Japanese RAM has never been a simple task. Just using computer RAM has always been the safest method. Emulating Motorola GPUs is a much simpler task.

    Haha, I know RAM is similar but in speed. I am just saying does the emulator just emulate the main components of the system? Lets pretend the Japanese do not want you using any product with them or something because your grandpa was in the navy in WW2 (hypothetical). Does the emulator use the computer or does it emulate the Jaguar's ram? The Jaguar's ram is standard RAM right? It is not like GDDR3, 5.

    Or would that person be better off developing a PC game where it would be safer?

  6. Posted

     

    Excellent idea. Ignore groovybee, he might have made games for more systems than you've even heard of, but he knows nothing of WW2 or FPS. IIRC, everything related to WW2 is automatically CC, as it was a global conflict, so you should be fine. I should point out that IANAL and TINLA.

     

     

    Stable frame rates won't be an issue, no point being a neigh-sayer, the Jaguar is a work horse.

     

    Professionals who poured their heart and soul into tring to max out the Jaguar simply didn't know any better, they were just very professional and doing what came naturally. Their body of work speaks for itself.

     

     

    No please continue, can't you see how dead it is in here? The chit-chat haha is most welcome. This isn't like installing linux or rocket surgery, it's just making games. Die, Allied schweinehund! Achtung! Schutzstaffel!

    Cool and anything involving generic robots will not get me sued right? Also as long as I am not dirrectly using someone's IP, I can make a clone game as long as I make no money of the game right?

    Oh and regarding the Jaguar emulator. The emulator uses just the motorolla components (GPUs, CPU) or does it also emulate the Jaguar's ram that is made in Japan?

    I am pretty sure emulators just use computer ram right?

  7. Posted · Edited by Buffki

    Also you guys will demo my rom or CD (I will try to keep filesize under 6mb for those without the CD thing) if I make some right? ( I intend on the full game for Jaguar/Jaguar emulator being free). I will try not to bug you all with constant details and will only make a development topic if I have made reasonable progress and have obtained some screenshots.

    I do not want to waste money atm.

    I might post the source code to the game as well if it is of any quality.

    I think he's crazy enough to be a Jaguar developer.

    Thanks haha, even if you are joking. edit: just lost all the progress on my quotes lol.

    I actually consider myself to be pretty logical though and following the rational normal development style.

    Don't most professional dev kits come out with lowered specs and get raised. This is like a supersized version of that imo that will prepare me for the mobile/SOC computer market.

    I have looked at screenshots of many of the games listed as homebrew. They look pretty nice and I am surprised no company has found interest in funding a remake of the system using cheap part/part upgrades (motorolla CPU has a later variant) and it would probably be a substantial upgrade and be cheaper than the Jaguar goes for on sites (they probably would have to use a DVD/CD reader though since rom is expensive right)?

    A jaguar 3D engine will be nothing like a Chip 3D engine. On the jag, you'll be design it from scratch using 3D principles (with fixed point numbers) and make good use of Tom (GPU) and the blitter. On Chip you'll most likely be using OpenGL(ES) with floating point and that library will do the heavy lifting for you. To get a good polygon count on the jag you'll need to resort to 68K/GPU assembler for the rendering engine. On chip, it'll all be done in C/C++ but you'll probably use some OpenCL to write your shader(s). Then you have to take into account the massive RAM and CPU/GPU processing speed differences between the machines :lol:.

    The theory (I basically stole the implied theory from Head2Head/lense of truth in that develop for hard systems first then port to the easy ones which was concluded in the results)is that if I am good at the Jaguar I will be excellent at the "easy stuff" (mobile/SOC). If I start out with OpenGL and Chip than if I ever move to another architecture I will feel pampered. The limiting of the resources in the Jaguar is intense and should provide an excellent challenge.

    I mean if I port a game from the Jaguar to the Chip I could probably add all sorts of textures, AA, etc. If I can even build a game for the Jaguar than I will probably build a ground up game for the Chip (probably something involving learning given the price of the system and how available it is). Then I can try porting that game to the Jaguar which will be very intense.

     

    Although I suppose maybe I should make a WW2 FPS using Quake's (basically a Wolfeinstein clone lol) engine if that can be ported to the Jaguar. Since my game is free I should avoid getting sued right?

     

    I do not intend on maxing out the Jaguar. I have seen 30polygon models from google. I really just want to have a stable frame rate. Stability is the main concern and that is why I am trying to keep as low poly as possible. Obviously professionals who poured their heart and soul into developing for the system are going to produce better 3D (although no excuses I guess).

     

    If I can not produce results than there is no use bothering you all with chit-chat haha. So again I will try to avoid posting until I have something.

  8. Posted · Edited by Buffki

     

    That's the most bizzare development plan I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few of them! The only way this will work is if you can port the emulator to Chip which from what I read might not be fast enough to run the emulator in full framerate.

     

    From your post I get that you have very limited, if any, programming experience so you might not realise how much work is porting a game from one system to another, especially when they share virtually no similarities apart from being computing devices. If you want to program for Chip, try and learn how to program for Chip, if you want to code for the jaguar, go ahead and code for the jaguar.

     

    On your last question about 3d, creating a new 3d engine for a new game on a modern system is a waste of effort. If I were you, I'd contact the Chip developers and ask them what 3d engine is, or is planned to be, available for the system (Quake engine or similar would be a good guess) and I'd try to learn that.

    Okay, I would like to use the Jaguar because Chip is quite a few months away. Developing for the Atari Jaguar would be insanely difficult for me. This means that if I do make a game or fail to make a game then when I shift to the chip things will be much easier for me and encouraging

    I read on sites like Head2Head how PS3 multiplats were almost always inferior early on because they were ported from the 360 (a much easier system to develop for which is still hard)

    It is the year 2222, you begin to see images. You are told that your limbs were removed and your body and your head placed in a chamber to remotely control a robot Your goal is to beat the AI (which programs other AI) in the Galactic Tic Tac Toe Tournament. First you must get past your qualifying match.
    This is the scenario. I constructed a demo in C++ that I saved. I then tried to add many lines to replicate choices which failed. I should probably seek help on Gamedev.net regarding this.

    I would like to build a 3D engine on the Jaguar. That way when I port it over to other systems it will be enhanced. Porting from the jaguar is much easier than porting to the Jaguar. Supposedly was looking up on theoretical polygon count. And on Wiki it says the Jaguar can do 150,000 polygons. The ps1 and Saturn can do 90,000 and the Jaguar 10,000

    For a developer like me if I can even get started I will probably be capped to 2000 polygon's or less (considering that these are supposed to be maximums and the real number might be half).
    Other than Tic Tac Toe Robot Tournament (which I am still working on in C++) remake for Jaguar in 3D. I can show my work but it is a mess. I know it sounds a lot of fun but I just can not make the idea work. I would like to make a talking simulator.
    Here is my lazy work so far haha : GMcKfq1.jpg
    I am asking if I could develop for the emulator for Jaguar users and PC. Then port to smart phone and/or Chip.

    I first need to make a game though. I understand the frustration of having me be walked through this like a child when I am 22. I am trying to read all the files and downloaded the manual you all provided for the SDK. I am just curious is Basic+ more for 2D and RISC for 3D.

    Is Top Down easier than First person. Supposedly doing First person and Third person take a lot of skill from what I hear to avoid camera angle issues (mainly Third person)
    I have many projects that I would like to work on but lack the basic skills. I posted this because I hope that I am not the only idiot thinking of this.
    Could Jaguar handle the Quake engine (and would I be better off porting a game made using that)? I was looking at Quake's polycount and it seems high).
    With my game and skills I am aiming for 14-30 polygon models. I understand programing is most of the time spent in development.
    Basically if I do program a 3D game for the Jaguar will you all burn roms/isos of it to test it? It probably will take me two years given the typical dev cycle is 1 year. Maybe more. An appealing aspect is also the dedicated base that I can use to help myself learn. Game code is typically 40-100,000 lines right?
    If the code of an average 2D game is under 10,000.

  9. Posted · Edited by Buffki

    First of all I would like to be honest with all of you and state that I have never owned an Atari product (hence why I am straying from the introduction). I am strictly focused on trying to use all this public domain good stuff. I was reading up on homebrew and what caught my eye about this system is that it supposedly has a dedicated fanbase. Programming a game can take years right? The emulator just opens such a wide audience and I intend my game to be free (especially since it will be my first game, I might charge when I move on to the Chip/mobile platforms)

     

    My theory is that I need good practice before the Chip 9$ computer comes out. The Jaguar being public domain means that I would own any code I make right (I would probably make the game free hence the emulator question so everyone can play).

     

    The chip computer is considerably more powerful than this system (not to be a jerk it is recent). So porting a game from the Jaguar emulator to the chip would not be to difficult right?

     

    I was planning to make a low polygon 3D title. Possibly an adventure game or RPG. With a system this open it would be good practice right? Everything I have been reading has been 2D so 3D is much harder right but would be good practice for the Chip. If I make a good enough free game than I will make a lot of money off a sequal. I am just concerned about IP. Would Hasbro own the rights to a homebrew product?

     

    Also since I am programming for Emulator is there anything special to make like a Jaguar CD iso vs a ROM. I would like to not be constrained by 6mb.

     

    http://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/tutorials/lets-build-a-3d-graphics-engine-points-vectors-and-basic-concepts--gamedev-8143

    These are good tutorials right? Would 3D on the Jaguar be a no go? Are there any specific 3D programming tutorials? (I know 3D is supposedly more time consuming). Would you all just suggest me sticking to PC development. I just thought that restricting myself to older hardware would help me manage resources better for something like the Chip and maybe Mobile.

     

    Also is everything about the Jaguar Public domain? Like you could put a character playing one in an RPG and not get sued?

    Edit: I have read Raptor Basic and that stuff before. Supposedly the include and jagview folders are alls that I need? How exactly do I compile a Jag CD iso to run on an emulator? (if they are ISO, Idk because I have not downloaded a game).

     

    I hope you all do not mind me asking these noob questions. I feel like I am making you all do all the work. >_> sorry about that.

     

    Also if my followup game for the chip is any good I should have the money I need to fund a more serious project (not my project mind you because supposedly it has been around for a while) involving Biology and eliminating the need pregnancy for women but I digress,

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