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I think it was used on a recent episode of We Bare Bears.
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I have that one and I like it a lot.
Might just pick one up then!
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Frankly the 3DO was DOA in a sense with more and more people buying CD-ROM driven PC's. I know it was for me. None of those tertiary systems had enough development star power to compete anyway. PlayStation succeeded because Sony came in with an impressive army of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party programmers.
The 3DO was a decent enough idea, but nobody knew whether it would work or not because the concept of a multimedia game system was very advanced for the time, and it was offering a lot of capabilities within one machine. I think it was the price that threw people off more than anything else, as that was a LOT of money. I find it amusing that its reputation has actually been pretty good in retrospect.
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I have one where the D-pad is replaced. I just bought another controller so it was a non-issue for me. I can't remember where or who I bought mine from, but it was named after an animal or something.... like Python, or Raptor, or whatever... don't remember. But it's VERY professionally done.
I use it for Tempest 2000 and Impulse-X.
I saw one on eBay where the rotary control was below the D-pad. Wasn't sure if this was a good version or not.
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I also disagree about the other comments about the advertising. At least where I was, the Jaguar was heavily advertised. The problem with that was "doing the math" and not seeing 64-bit output. As we've discussed multiple times before, there were few things that were done right when it came to the Jaguar.
I saw Jaguar ads, but they always trumpeted the system's capabilities while not backing it up with anything truly tangible. Put a screen shot of Cybermorph next to one of Starfox or Fight For Life next to Street Fighter II, and I don't think the average consumer is seeing double the value. Add to that the lack of critically acclaimed titles outside of Tempest 2K and they really didn't have a lot to work with to get people excited to buy one. Yes, there were some solid games, but the system needed a smash hit to really bring in players and never got it. If the SNES was working with a library of games of which Ultraman, Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball, Mystic Quest, and Populous were some of the more prominent titles, it would have flopped. Instead, it gave us DOZENS of iconic games like Super Mario World, Street Fighter II (which single-handedly made it the system to have for a while), Final Fantasy II and III, F-Zero, Act Raiser, Secret of Mana, Contra III, and innumerable other must-have titles. When it comes down to it, maybe two or three titles for the Jaguar rise to that level.
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they are famous for robbing freely distributed software and artwork and making it into cd / cd case and then selling it
Not cool!
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FTFY

SNES had about 800+ titles, similar with the Genesis. Hence, 10% was a pretty close estimate if you include the Jag CD games.
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Launched at $249.99, far too high, although nowhere near the ransoms the CD-i, 3DO, or Neo Geo demanded. The CD was another $149.99 with very little being gained.
The CD-i and 3DO were multimedia systems with far more capabilities than a Jaguar, and they failed pretty miserably too (moreso the CD-i). The Neo-Geo was always a niche system with limited distribution, so not a great comp there. The Jaguar was supposed to go head-to-head with the big boys (SNES and Genesis) and it got pantsed because of its price, which might have even been justifiable but only with a much better games library.
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Online Jaguar play would be pretty cool, but I don't see that happening unless there's an emulator that can manage it.
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letsnotgothere.gif :0)
kevincal's latest account is now banned (along with one or two more, tsk tsk), we should let the thread die as a testament to his longstanding hard work and support of the jaguar "community" and his unfortunate inability to leave us here in peace once and for all.
Sorry, still new to the forum, so not familiar with any lingering dramas from the days of yore. I'll move on to the next thread.
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Nice service offered! Hope I don't need it any time soon, but do you have a thread up for that Doom 3/3rd Doom/whatever for the Jag CD? That looks sweet, and I want it when it's ready! And I'm a fan of free stuff!

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I didn't even know these existed! I'm gonna have to grab one just for Tempest 2K!
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I am currently awaiting my boxed Jaguar CD, very well kept... The potential for homebrew games (if they're good) as well as some fun looking games made me want to buy it... But an American Jaguar will work on a PAL Jaguar, right?
What'd yours run you? My wife paid a pretty penny to grab me a JCD CIB.
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Well let's see, Cybermorph was quite great actually for the time it came out, late 1993. Raiden was great on the Jaguar. That was early 1994. Wolf 3d was great on the Jag, spring 1994. AvP was great, as mentioned above, EGM made it seem like just an OK game, nothing special. Well, it WAS special. Doom on the Jag was great, EGM rated it significantly lower than the 32X version. The 32X version has less levels, not full screen, enemies are 2 dimensional, no BFG unless code used. Really crappy music. Even though Jag doom doesn't have in game music, the music between levels is high quality and great actually. Jag doom has better sound effects. Jag doom has great lighting effects. The enemy AI in Jag Doom is much better. Control on the 32X version might be SLIGHTLY better but not much. Not to mention, you could play Jag Doom in S video or RGB and in stereo even back in the mid 90s while everyone was playing 32X with RF or composite cables at best, with mono sound...
Zool 2 and Iron Soldier also came out in late 1994 and I think EGM panned those games as well, even though they were really good games, especially Iron Soldier. That's a great game. I don't remember what EGM said about Jaguar Rayman which came out around the time the PS1 launch in Sept. 1995. Anyway... Also, even though the Jag CD was pretty lame, the VLM was and is fantastic. The Jaguar CD is almost worth it for the VLM alone.
Not to mention, about the Jaguar, it was always very affordable. So sure, there weren't a ton of games or a ton of great games, but there WERE several great games on the Jag to be had by 1995, and many very good games. Plenty to keep even a hardcore gamer satisfied. I know I was satisfied with it. I mean, I remember back in 1995 never getting tired of Jag Doom, AvP, T2K, Iron Soldier and Wolf 3d. Just those handful of games, are true legends. Nothing matches those games on 32X. Not even close. For instance, compare Metal Head on the 32X with Iron Soldier. Metal Head is just, yuck, compared to IS...
How was the Jaguar affordable? It cost twice as much as the Genesis and SNES, and had about 10% the game library to choose from. And yes, if Nintendo and Sega were paying for ad space in EGM, of course they're going to get more pub. Atari didn't much advertise the Jaguar at all, which is nobody's fault but their own. Obviously I love the Jaguar, or else I wouldn't be on this board, but I don't have a romantic notion about it being unjustly kicked to the curb by the industry in general. Atari largely dug their own grave, and of the entire cartridge library there's maybe a dozen games that a kid in the mid-90s would have been excited to have. Yes, it could have been much more than it was, but that's not on Nintendo or Sega.
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Everything I'd heard about RetroVGS to this point is a mess. They're trying to raise millions for something with no demo and it shouldn't cost them millions to make these things, at least not initially. It was exciting at first but I don't see them raising that money nor getting a working demo any time soon. Maybe they'll prove me wrong and it will turn out to be an awesome new retro system, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Woohoo! New information about Club Drive.
Have you ever wondered why there's a rocket behind the Atari headquarters in that hidden area? I searched everywhere I could think of, but found no explanation for the rocket, so I asked my confidential informant who helped out quite a bit with the Trevor McFur episode, and he filled me in.
Jerome and Todd used to set off model rockets of all shapes and sizes in the parking lot behind the Atari building. They even tried strapping rockets to an RC car! They did this sometimes while a new build was compiling, and other times just for fun.
Love those little inside stories around small additions to games that give them character beyond the game itself.
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Tempest 2000 was the one and only Jaguar game they were nice to... So if you trusted EGM back then, you would believe the Jaguar had only ONE good game... Ridiculous.
They were lukewarm on AvP, but they didn't discount it completely IIRC. I remember they mostly ignored Jaguar releases, so I don't remember a ton of reviews for Jaguar games, which might have been a good thing given how many of them were really bad.
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That clip is from Fight for Life (ooh yeah) which is currently slated for episode 50.
Couldn't put it off any longer, eh?
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If you're going to get one, now's the time. They're becoming more expensive every year and they have durability issues, so I'd expect the number of operational models to dwindle with time.
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I'm happy with my purchase. I thought about getting a Jaguar back in the day but usually I only had enough money to concentrate on one system at a time. I took a wait and see attitude on the Jaguar and it had a pretty short lifespan. I'm a collector who plays my games. I don't worry about complete collections or rare stuff that I don't like (even if it is valuable--unless of course I get it on the cheap). I'm just interested in buying a few games to play and enjoy. The ones I want are all fairly common so no stress. The only system that I tend to buy just about any game for, regardless of quality, is the Atari 2600. Of course, I never pay more than $1 for those "just for the sake of collecting" games, so it's no big deal. I'm just amused at the sheer number of 2600 games I own compared with other systems (only because they are cheap).
Once I pick up Brutal Sports Football and Ultra Vortek (my must haves), I may only be mildly interested in the following: AVP, Defender 2000, Protector SE, Iron Soldier 2 (cart version), Missile Command 2000, Rayman, Atari Karts, Kasumi Ninja, Power Drive Rally, Trevor McFur, and Super Burnout.
I know some of these are quite pricey, but I won't spend much on them and will wait for a good deal since they aren't a top priority.
The most important thing is you are happy with the purchase; there's no point worrying over whether you paid too much. Could you have gotten all that a little cheaper? Maybe, but you certainly weren't hosed in the deal. I bought my system CIB with a dozen games CIB three years ago for about $140, and that would be a STEAL these days. I was happy with the deal then, which was roughly the going rate, but in hindsight I'm ecstatic with it, and I hope you'll feel the same three years from now. Anyhow, if you're intent on really playing these games, I would recommend staying away from Trevor McFur and Kasumi Ninja...they're both common and pretty awful. AVP is a polarizing game, but kind of a Jaguar staple. If you like shooters, I'd recommend giving Raiden a look: not too expensive and a decent port of a classic shmup. Iron Soldier 2 and Rayman are good, but you'll pay three or four times more to acquire them. Happy hunting!
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Check ebay for jaglinks they are still sold, I think Nick for 16-32bit systems has sold jaglink II's in the past maybe he has one laying around.
A jaglink II is only handy for games like aircars, battlesphere for more then 2 players otherwise the original jaglink will do.
But do you got more then 3 jaguars and 3 players to make use of it ? Mostly getting a few jaguar users together is the most difficult issue.
This. I got one sealed when I bought a games lot, and I've had zero happen that would compel me to open it. It has limited utility even before considering there's rarely enough Jaguars in close proximity to make use of it.
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My suggested alternative title for Blackout would be "The Brown Noise." A game so bad that when you play it it will make you crap your pants almost instantaneously.

I think that's The Brown "Note". Still, well played.
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I think the Rayman bubble burst. Saw one CIB listed for $200 on eBay, didn't sell, got relisted at $150, not sure it will sell at that even. They're out there, and the supply is starting to outstrip the demand. I think they got a bit of a boost since a YouTube video outed it as the original game from which other versions were ported.
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I've politely declined a couple of offers of $500 for my copy, but sheesh... $1200?! Think it would be time to let her go at that price!

Oh hell no! If it's going for $1200 today, it will go for a lot more than that in a decade! That's the one you sell for your retirement!


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Didn't even know about this. Should I even bother trying to get in on this now?