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Saw this auction the other day and was going to bid on it but got side-tracked and missed it, Does that look like the elusive tape roll from the original magnavox odyssey? Lucky guy whoever won that and hopefully he/she knows about it's rarity and doesn't use it to wrap Christmas presents.
Pretty sure Robot King NES, the guy that buys every Odyssey auction and then flips the same for a much higher price got it and likely knows what it is.
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Actually Amiga was an also ran until A500, in 89, until that point ST was the dominant of the two,at least here in the US. The change in 89 was mostly due to Atari shifting production capacity to germany and the rest of europe, it was maddening not being able to get product. Alsong came a cheap amiga and it sold well as it was the only real choice,unless you wanted a dull boring pc.
I suspect it was more of a regional thing in the US. In Southern California, we had a pretty even split of Amiga/Commodore and Atari dealers from 1985 to 1989, but Atari did have an actual retail chain outlet in Federated that carried the ST and aggressively pushed it along with software. I will say that the fact that the Atari 8 bits faded a lot faster than the Commodore 64 probably hurt ST sales, at least in Southern California as our Commodore dealers continued to support both the 64 and the Amiga up until the early 90s. By 1989, other than small indie Atari dealers, the ST was very difficult to find in Southern California. The Amiga 500 on the other hand could be found at EB and Software Etc. and you could buy not only software, but also hardware by special order. That's where I bought my first Amiga 500. I don't believe EB or Software Etc. ever sold ST hardware. The Amiga was also carried in the Navy Exchange system and was pretty popular with military families just as the 64 had been while the ST was never carried.
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Say what? The dumping was known as soon as it happened -- major news outlets like the New York Times reported on it. So it's been public knowledge for years. What was in dispute what was actually dumped there....and it turns out that the original report was right all along.
Sorry, I could have been more clear. You're right that it was reported at the time and appeared in newspapers and magazines and presumably that's how most collectors learned of it initially along with discussions in collector zines of the 80s and 90s and newsgroup and forum discussions. I was speaking more generally of the "public" and up until this last round of hype, I don't think most members of the public knew or cared even if they may have read a sentence or two about it in a magazine or newspaper many years ago.
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LOL, easy there bojay. This is the reason I dont like to post often in atariage. Defender and asteroids averaged 275 per game and went first. when warlords came time to end in the auction i wasnt anticipating winning all three, but those games averaged 220 and then the non remaining et's followed suit, so I caught myslef overbidding on more than one copy ( aiming to win only one). I was hoping for one of each game. I think I did well with getting 4 titles. And yes, not that I am speculating, but I probably will sell the two warlords if all else fails. I was hoping more on a trade for a game that I didnt win ( I would like star raiders if anyone actually is reading this who won and is willing to trade)
I thought this was a site for gamers and collectors of atari - Not for people to bash it...... I enjoy having rare titles in my display - I thought this a great alternative to buying air raiders or music machine, or similar high priced games. Half of my rare games and titles I have found in the wild - which pride myself on........
I find the history tied to all of this fascinating. An important piece to the evolution of the video game as it stands today......... Why is ET getting the attention? Obviously we can now point to several games that may have caused the demise of Atari in 83......
I wasn't trying to bash you. I honestly just don't understand the motivation for spending $1200 on these particular games or to be honest, any of the games from this landfill right now, especially knowing that they have almost 700 more copies to sell over the coming months. I get why a museum might want to have a representative sample (and 500 such samples are purportedly being given to museums around the world), but as an individual collector I honestly don't get it. Manufacturers dump stuff in landfills all the time. This particular dumping wasn't known to the public and the only reason it took on any significance is that collectors here and elsewhere embellished the event and it took on a life of its own over time that led to this PR event funded by Microsoft/Xbox. It just seems silly to me, but if you're happy with your purchases, that's really all that matters.
As for your other point, I don't think the games that were found in the landfill point to the specific causes of the demise of Atari. They were simply overstock and Atari continued to sell and even reprint those games for many years to come. ET became a major part of the mythology surrounding the landfill dig and is really the major thing the news sources covering the dig have talked about. The other games are interesting to collectors from the informational perspective, but to the extent any of these things will maintain value over time, I can't see the non-ET examples doing so and that was pretty clearly reflected in the end bid prices.
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I have 8166,8167, 8171, 8176, 8216 and 8228 if anyone decides to create a registry.....
So you spent $1200 on games that weren't even ET and bought multiples of Warlords? Are you doing this to try and speculate for resale or something? I'm honestly not following the motivation.
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Of course the buyer has to ask questions regarding item condition etc. before the purchase, but shipping is part of after sales and customer service. And a buyer can expect a response from the seller.
I always ask about shipping before I bid unless the seller specifically says they only ship in a box or offer a box option. There are some sellers that just don't get it and I don't have the time or interest to return items or open claims on a regular basis. I suppose I may miss out on a few underpriced BINs every once in a while, but it's far better than dealing with multiple returns every week and frankly, most of the really good stuff is still sold in regular auctions anyway, so I'm not too worried about it.
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So you ask them before you won an item to ship in a box? Also most items are BIN now, so there is no time to ask them before the purchase.
I always do. If they don't respond, you don't click on BIN. Otherwise, you're doing so at your risk. There is no excuse for a buyer not asking questions prior to a purchase.
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I don't recall any "failure" of the Amiga over here in the Uk, it was everywhere, it sold well, software and hardware availability was extremely mainstream and Commodre UK pushed the promotion of the machine at every possibility.
Growing up in San Diego during the Amiga heyday, it was definitely not some totally obscure computer. I knew five people at my high school who owned them including myself and they were sold at Electronics Boutique, the NEX, and in several local Commodore dealers. The local community college also had a lab full of them for video graphics and art and several local television stations used them for titling and later for Video Toasters.
Commodore made its share of mistakes, but I was always proud to show off how much better Amiga games looked than comparable PC games at the time and spending $500 or so for an Amiga 500 was a much better deal than $1500 for a PC with the latest graphics and multimedia add-ons. There were also plenty of professional level applications for the Amiga including word processors and desktop publishing apps that were every bit as robust as what the PC was capable of doing at the time.
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I'd buy one for my collection, it's a great history piece.
Yeah, I've never really understood the fascination with Atari dumping things in a landfill. I for one never had any doubts it happened and it just seems like a bunch of fuss being made over something manufacturers do all the time or did before many landfills instituted environmental restrictions.
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Not surprisingly, the ETs are the only ones garnering any bids. While I could understand a museum obtaining a copy for historical purposes, I can't see buying one of these for my collection.
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I haven't seen that lately, everything Colecovision NIB seems to go for darn high prices on eBay consistently, but I sure hope prices come down cause there's alot I'd sure love to get.
The single bidder we are talking about has literally won every single NIB or MIB auction for less common CV games for the past six months. The second highest bidder is often the same person as well. There is then a huge gap between what those two will bid and what everyone else bids. I've seen this same thing happen many times over the years. All anyone reasonable can do is wait it out and eventually prices will go back down to a more reasonable level.
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Hmm... Seems like this makes our collections more valuable... Someone grabbed this too (half price though, was $599.00).
Not really unless you are selling now and this guy and the second place bidder get into a bidding war over what you are selling. This seems to happen every few years in classic gaming where someone comes in and temporarily drives up prices as they try to quickly put together a really nice collection. Eventually they either complete their collection or lose interest in which case prices go back to normal.
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My guess is all the stuff on the atari2600.com site is in the warehouse and he makes one monthly trip for all online orders
There is no warehouse. All of this stuff is in his garage/home. There was a video posted a while back (maybe Gamester 81?) where he visited Joe and there were just big rows of shelving where everything is stored. I can't believe after all the negative experiences that have been posted here that people would still order from him, but I guess all you can do is warn people.
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I will tell you a dirty little secret, a lot of the re-sellers are collectors, they are funding future purchases of high caliber items, with the proceeds of the sales from medium rarities.
Shhh, don't tell anyone! Doesn't justify their actions or the damage they are doing to other collectors. There are other legitimate ways to make money that don't involve inserting yourself into a sales process where you are neither welcome nor necessary.
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Exactly. All I see is crying about not winning auctions and then complaining about prices of items that someone else is selling. So much hate for capitalism, I just don't get it.
Just because someone supports capitalism doesn't mean that all selling for a profit is a good thing. While I agree that the bitching gets old and there's not much that can be done, I certainly don't think what a select group of resellers are doing (i.e. winning auctions and then immediately flipping for 5X-10X the price, often without even receiving the item or bothering to use a new photo) should be lauded. There are some "services" that actually hurt people on both ends of the transaction (the original seller gets screwed out of their share of the sale price and the collector pays far more than dealing with the original seller directly). It reminds me of those people who stand in open parking spaces in busy downtown areas and demand payment for what are public parking spaces or someone standing at a gas pump and demanding payment for cleaning a window that you didn't want cleaned. They are engaged in capitalism, but they aren't providing a service anyone really wants or needs.
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Ebay changed the best offers.
I used to be able to see if a item had a offer and the ID abbreviation of who made it.
Now the only way to see if the item has a offer is to click on make offer.
This sucks, I used to click on items to see if someone made a offer and see who made it.
Sometimes if i knew the ID i would send the seller a message that so and so
is a reseller and is selling this game for X amount.
Do you also stand at the checkout stand at Walmart or Target and inform complete strangers that things can be bought cheaper elsewhere? I'm strongly opposed to resellers (specifically people who mine Ebay auctions and immediately relist the same item at a massive markup) as I think they are unnecessary middle men, but you have no right to interfere with people making offers on Ebay, even if they could have bought the same item more cheaply elsewhere.
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I just wanted to send a payment to another member here and all but my own registration address in PayPal are gone. And to make it even worse, when I add a new address the name and country is no longer editable.
Beside the fact that the new site sucks anyway, who the hell made this retarded change?
With the impending Paypal split from Ebay, I believe they are attempting to comply with the stricter security and identity regulations applied to account holders which means all addresses must be verified and they likely will no longer allow shipment of items to one address while payment comes from another. This should reduce fraud pretty significantly for international transactions.
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Didnt this system have a dragons lair style game, thayers quest? Or something like that, made by the man himself Don Bluth?
Is it an exclusive? I remember hearing about itlike 15 years ago, also had a mon night football game?
Don Bluth had nothing to do with Thayer's Quest. The two "released" games are Thayer's Quest and NFL Football Chargers Raiders which are both essentially Dragon's Lair style games (i.e. you make a choice and footage plays).
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So what? There are plenty of large corporations all over the world that have no presence in the United States or Western Europe. While Alibaba has gotten a lot of coverage in the media lately, it's mostly because of the fact that Yahoo owns a stake and the IPO was the largest on record. Alibaba is a long way away from breaking into the US market and has little relevance to most Americans right now nor should it have much relevance.Now that is an all American attitude. To quote businessinsider : In 2013, two of Alibaba’s websites handled $240 billion in sales. That's double the size of Amazon, triple the size of eBay, and one-third more than the two competitor companies combined.
As for the OP, I believe this has little to do with Alibaba and more to do with the fact that Paypal wants to become more diversified in payment handling which is a direct response to new services like Apple Pay and the encroachment of companies like Sqaure and others doing low cost payment processing for merchants.
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I can't find the completed listing on Ebay or the Colecovision auction thread here, so I'll have to take your word for it. However, buy it now prices don't always tell the entire story, as someone might not realize it's worth, post it, then someone snatches up a deal. I think from what I have seen, $900 is still a good deal for a sealed copy since that nice opened one was well over $900 with shipping. I was the one who got the Atari2600.com sealed copy. I think I was very lucky to get such a deal, once again thinking of the opened one which was sold auction style, not buy it now. It was the most I have ever paid for a video game, but considering it brings me up to seven of the top ten hardest to find CIB games, and I got all the others for a song, I'm doing alright.
Sure, but prices can vary widely from day to day or month to month depending on who is buying and when. The 2600.com copy you got sat in their store for at least a couple of months (and while they don't really advertise, many Colecovision collectors were aware of it) and my recollection is that there were some flaws. It's definitely a cool piece, but I wouldn't count on the price necessarily continuing to appreciate over time, especially if more copies in similar condition trickle out as they seem to have done in the past couple of years.
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I didn't mean any disrespect. Sorry if it came off that way. The one on Ebay was opened.
I think you're talking about the one from September that was complete in the box that also sold for around $900. There was a sealed one that I believe was a BIN that also sold for around $900 in late November, early December. In any event, one hasn't been sold mint/sealed since then as far as I know, so I suppose anything is possible price wise. Is yours the 2600.com one that was part of that large Colecovision collection?
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I didn't see that one as mint, and it definitely wasn't sealed.
Which one are you talking about? Both of the ones I am referring to were sealed. There were a couple of others that were posted as "new in box" that weren't sealed that have sold in the past year. One sold for around $300 in January 2014. I agree that the 2600.com one was less than mint (although it was still very nice), but it was sealed. In any event, I doubt prices have doubled in a year, but maybe the guy buying up all the Colecovision stuff will scoop it up from you at $2K. Stranger things have happened.
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That's funny, I get nervous moving my stuff around as well and right now I have to move a ton of it to make more room for my ever expanding collection. Super Sketch sealed (Really!),2K plus on Ebay I would suspect if in really good shape. I remember passing one up and squabbling over 50 dollars more that the guy wanted 5 years back (250 US at the time)... Needless to say, I didn't get it... ;( .... Let me know if you want to sell yours (haha)
...I don't think a sealed Super Sketch has sold for anywhere near $2K. The last one on Ebay sold for a little over $900 late last year in mint sealed condition. Atari2600.com also had a sealed one that they sold for $700 or so around the same time.
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I think most of collectors would be very surprised if they open their "pretended" factory sealed.
I bet you would even didn't find a cartridge in the box but a piece of wood or something else.
And most of boxes are not original ones.
I think one only relative reliable mean to find if it is a fake or not. It is to smell the box. Boxes sealed in 1982-83 does not smell as boxes recently sealed.
But of course , it is hard to smell on Ebay...
Disagree. I've opened lots of factory sealed classic games I bought on Ebay over the years and I've only found one out of hundreds that was not new in every way. I think there is more incentive for fraud now given some of the record prices being paid, but I don't think there is a massive amount of fake sealed games out there just yet.
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Incorrect. The 500 came out in late 1987 in the US. Unless you have specific stats you can provide from a reputable source, I'm gonna call BS on the 2-1. I'm sure both Commodore and Atari used whatever PR techniques they could to convince their dealer body to stay with them and I wouldn't put it past either company to lie to their dealers about how their own lines were selling in relation to the competition.