bojay1997

I think you're not good at trying to pull off April Fools jokes.

Like what, though? I mean initially a lot of us thought there was shill bidding occurring, but the winners of the auctions seem to be the same few high rollers that bid on other similar auctions with different sellers such as J&K and others that have recently listed a lot of vintage computer software. Anytime a seller hits over $20K a year in Paypal, a report gets sent to the IRS and Paypal and Ebay take their fees on every auction that are at least 13%, so how would this be a good way to run an illegal or improper enterprise? I guess I just don't understand what you're saying.

I know this subject has come up before, but seeing some of the prices Peter Olafson has gotten for his games is downright shocking. I mean there are clearly a lot of rare items that almost never come up on Ebay or elsewhere that he is selling, but I've seen some of the same stuff in much better condition not all that long ago that has gone for a mere fraction of what he is getting. Another particularly odd thing about his auctions is that this one bidder seems to have either won all of the higher end ones or come very close in most cases. That person has literally spent tens of thousands of dollars with Peter Olafson in just the past month or so. The bidder also seems equally interested in very old TRS-80 and other 8 bit software and more modern PC games. In fact, the bidder spent over $1000 on Elder Scrolls Arena and Battlespire which is 2X or more the most I've ever seen sealed copies of those games sell for and those actually do come up pretty regularly sealed in near mint or mint boxes. Frankly, it would be interesting to talk to the bidder and find out what his end game is with all of these high end purchases.

The "fair-good condition" will be a value killer for a lot of these. MULE should go for a bit as long as it's in nice complete condition and Seven Cities of Gold also tends to draw bids again assuming it's nice and complete. For more common games like these, the real value right now is in sealed/mint copies. Anything less than that tends to only draw minor interest. For rare stuff, that's not the case, but nothing here is rare.

I have a number of duplicate copies of some 2600, 7800 and Lynx games that I have accumulated over the years in buying bigger lots and trying to complete my collections. Almost all of the games are new in the box and sealed (although with the Atari 2600 and Lynx games, they may have been resealed by distributors or liquidators such as Atari France as opposed to the factory). There are minor creases, bowing, bends, small dings, small indentations, price tags, scratches on the wrap, etc...In short, if you are looking for pristine mint copies, these are not for you. Please study the linked photos carefully. I am really just looking to clear these out, so I have priced them well below market value and I am open to offers on anything and everything. Shipping will be at actual cost and I am open to international shipping with the exception of a few countries where tracked shipping is an issue. I am located in Southern California. Payment is via Paypal. Thank you for looking and please message me if you have any questions. Lynx Games Awesome Golf (NIB) SOLD Checkered Flag (NIB) SOLD Electrocop (NIB, small box) SOLD European Soccer (NIB) SOLD Fussball/Soccer (NIB) SOLD Hydra (NIB) SOLD Gauntlet (NIB) $10 Klax (NIB) SOLD NFL Football (NIB) SOLD Roadblasters (NIB) SOLD Robotron (NIB) SOLD Xenophobe (NIB) SOLD Desert Strike (box and cart only, note this is a more recent Telegames version) SOLD Super Off Road (box, cart, manual and catalog, note this is a more recent Telegames version) $40 Atari 7800 Ace of Aces (NIB) SOLD Fight Night (NIB) SOLD Food Fight (NIB, no wrap as this is the less common 1986 version first release that was glue sealed) $10 One on One (NIB) SOLD Planet Smashers (NIB) SOLD Atari 2600 Megamania (NIB) SOLD Oink (NIB) $10 http://s345.photobucket.com/user/bojay1997/library/

Telegames and Song Bird both had websites where you could buy their games. Song Bird games were never sold at retail stores as far as I know, but Telegames did manage to get some of their late Jag releases into Gamestop and EB, at least at certain stores. I recall both Telegames and Song Bird both exhibiting at early CGE shows, so you could buy their releases there as well. There were also plenty of forums like Digital Press and some Jaguar specific ones where postings about these games were made. Newsgroups were also popular at the time and I recall discussions about these releases appearing there as well.

You might have wanted to take a moment to read that link before you posted it. Nobody here is using your photo in an illegal manner nor is anyone claiming to be you by using your profile or picture. People are simply using the image of someone's Facebook post (that you alleged wasn't even yours) to expose what appears to have been a solicitation to commit fraud that is actually illegal in many states. That reposting of a Facebook post in the interest of consumer protection is well within the scope of fair use and not illegal in any way.

You must have a very sad and depressing life if you spend all of your time wading through pages of posts to find something interesting to read. Considering that these debates only ever happen in a handful of threads specifically designed for this kind of discussion, it seems really odd that you couldn't just avoid those threads or better yet, ignore users whose posts you don't care to read.

You're correct that markets are driven by supply and demand. Unfortunately, a single auction is never a good reflection of supply and demand on any given item. Personally, I don't collect variants and I know a lot of other collectors don't either, so that probably impacts demand on both the Commando and the Superman. Also, Superman attracts collectors outside of gaming collectors and is more inconic than some third party game label variant rarity aside. Ultimately, there is no way to ever know why in that particular day on Ebay for that particular auction the item was only valued at $100 and then only by a single collector, i.e. yourself. Maybe you actually overpaid, it's hard to say at this point. I honestly don't understand why you feel the need to debate this unless you are concerned that you did overpay in which case there's not much anyone here can do to help you.

Clearly you don't understand the fundamentals of how markets work. Rarity alone is not the only determinant of value and not everyone that would care about a Superman label variant would care about a Commando label variant and vice versa. As long as you are happy with your purchase and feel like you got a good deal, why does it matter in any way what other people think about it?

Well, it might have been nice if you had been honest about it instead of doing your usual song and dance of avoidance and/or complaining about people bidding too much on things only to have it turn out that you bid just a small amount less than the winning bidder.

Are you going to admit that you were the buyer of the Glib or just let people here continue to speculate and lament price inflation?

I doubt the seller really cares that much. Based on his posts on other forums, he has multiple copies of everything for the 3do and this was likely just an effort to sell off some excess. Splitting stuff may generate more profit, but it can take a very long time for something this large and essentially, the seller had to take only a few photos and he generated just under $7K with minimal effort. As far as the real value of all this stuff, it's hard to say as the seller never gave detailed photos or descriptions. Most of it looks pretty good, but there's no guarantee anything is mint and I'm sure he kept the best of everything for himself.

They have had TG-16 stuff since the beginning. Unfortunately, the ones I received from them in the past were badly crushed and damaged and had moisture and mold issues. The common games they are selling are readily available from other non-Venezuelan sellers on Ebay in much nicer shape.

Doesn't look resealed to me. That looks like the box came into contact with something sharp like a corner of a shelf or a hard object that scraped a deep groove into one side of the middle flap area. Notice that the other side of the middle area is not torn. In fact, this looks a lot like a few of the 5200 games I got from Venezuela where customs poked a metal rod into the box to check for drugs or whatever they check for. The game isn't worth enough for people to be resealing it and frankly, the glue is on the two outer flaps, so those would have been loose rather than the middle if this was a reseal job.

While it's clearly not mint as listed, that is likely factory sealed. It has glued flaps and would not have been factory shrinkwrapped by Atari. Many 2600 and 5200 games prior to about 1986 that appear on the market shrinkwrapped are not in fact factory shrinkwrapped and they were likely wrapped later by liquidators. Indeed, I have several cases of 1986 Atari 7800 releases like Food Fight that were glue sealed and it was only the later 1987 releases of many 7800 titles that came shrinkwrapped from Atari.

Agree. Personally, I would just hold onto everything because they are neat and frankly, far more uncommon than the current market seems to reflect. That's the unfortunate side of collecting more obscure systems, but at the same time, you can build a really nice collection of unusual stuff for not a lot of money.

I know you're trying to help, but when has a loose white stripe Ghost Recon NFR ever gone for $50 or anywhere close to that? It's probably one of the most common NFR carts out there and it usually goes for $10 or so or less in a lot. Snakes is the gem of the bunch and the last few I have seen with the baggie went for $50-$60. It's the only physical version of Snakes available as Nokia decided to make it a free download after release and it's widely available on various download sites even today.

Disagree. That box looks like it has heavy wear and possible water damage. $150-$250 is what this is worth mint NIB, not opened and worn.

Agree strongly. The only time the AtariAge community reacts in a negative way to newcomers is when someone is either looking to scam users here or looking solely to profit to the significant detriment of the community. I have never seen anyone here act inappropriately to anyone asking for help or asking questions or even someone showing up to sell something as long as they aren't looking to scam and aren't looking to price gouge. If the conduct in this thread and others scares scammers and gougers away, it is no loss at all to AtariAge or the world at large and should in fact be applauded.

I think grading any cardboard box sealed game is silly primarily because of the fact that unlike coins or stamps or comics where it could be theoretically possible to maintain the item in its current state if you used an inert container, sealed games are inherently deteriorating because they are made of mixed reactive substances. Take a NES game for example. You have a circuit board that contains some metal and plastic, an outer cartridge case made of plastic with metal screws, a paper and adhesive coated sticker, a poly bag and plastic dust cover, paper manuals and warranty materials, a carboard box and shrinkwrap. All of those substances including plastic, metal, inks and dies, staples, paper and cardboard will continue to react to each other over time and deteriorate. That's why most museums that maintain game collections remove the plastic wrap and separate the components into various preservation containers. Treating a sealed game as a single type of material and sticking it in a plastic case is just not a good or wise long-term preservation technique.

They are case fresh and straight out of Atari's former warehouses. I have no doubt people on Ebay are constantly paying too much for games. Like I said, maybe you can find some unsophisticated buyer like yourself that will pay more than the $320 you already overpaid for this game. It's just not going to happen here.

You paid way too much for that version of the game in that condition. The 1987 international version is pretty common and I know of at least a couple of Atari vendors that still sell it NIB for $20 or less. The 1983 silver box version is much more uncommon, but even that isn't a $320 game. Maybe you can convince some desperate Nintendo collector to pay $320+ for this, but nobody here is going to do so.

That Worm Whomper looks like a reseal to me. I've never seen a sealed Intellivision Activision game with that many large vent holes in it and regardless, there is a major tear down the side.The Fathom was below the usual range for sure, but it also had some minor wrap and box flaws.

I'm sorry, but assuming that someone who deals with original art and is very experienced won't know how to come up with a reasonable estimate is just plain ridiculous. This is a very well known artist and this is the cover of a magazine that saw some pretty significant distribution. It also has a strong connection to 80s pop culture with both the artist and the Atari factors. While selling it to someone in the community might be preferable for the community (or more likely to that collector), it's certainly not necessarily in the seller's best interest. Do you and Ianoid refrain from selling stuff on Ebay or elsewhere at market price simply so other collectors can get it below market value? Of course not. Frankly, the best way to sell this item is to stick it up on Ebay and advertise it here and on other classic gaming and original art collecting sites and see where it ends up.