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I posted the following info' elsewhere on the 'net back in December '08. Whether it helps shed any light on the current situation with Telegames UK I don't know...
"I bought ... from Telegames UK in the first quarter of '08 the guy on the other end of the line stated they were in the process of relocating the business premises/warehouse to somewhere new/smaller. He said that as a consequence of this they were looking to clear stock for certain older gaming systems, including Jaguar, with a view to ending catering for said systems."
I ordered from Telegames UK in November 2010.
Would order from them again if necessary.
Are you in the US? Did you e-mail or call them or just place the order on their site? How was their packaging?
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Has anyone from the US successfully contacted Telegames lately? I have sent two e-mails to their sales e-mail address in the past two months about whether some games are in stock and have not gotten a response at all. Given the unfinished look of their website and the fact that they sold a lot of their stock to classic game source in Florida, it makes me hesitant to order.
Telegames USA sold all their stock
Telegames UK didn't, generally if they have it listed they have it in stock.
No, actually Telegames UK sold most of their classic stock a couple of years ago. I know because I exchanged e-mails with the owner of Classic Game Source at the time and she talked about the hassle of shipping it all from the UK, customs issues and her struggle with what to do with all the PAL titles she received and which she believes Telegames misrepresented to her as NTSC or dual compatible.
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Has anyone from the US successfully contacted Telegames lately? I have sent two e-mails to their sales e-mail address in the past two months about whether some games are in stock and have not gotten a response at all. Given the unfinished look of their website and the fact that they sold a lot of their stock to classic game source in Florida, it makes me hesitant to order.
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If you click see other items he has 4 more for sale 1987.
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 120679214846
He is asking for a lot but if you really need.
Wow, he must have figured things out real quick after I got mine for $20! Too bad the price skyrocketed so fast...
This guy used to run the only Atari store in San Diego in the 1980s. I still remember when they ("Warners" it was called) closed down in 1992 or so and he literally bagged up garbage bags full of 25 and 50 Atari 2600 and 5200 games and controllers for $50 and $100 respectively. These same 5200 controllers were going for basically two bucks each if you bought one of his multiple garbage bags full. Each bag also had multiple copies of the Mystique games and lots of NOS Starpath Superchargers and tape games inside. I bought a couple at the time, but always regretted not buying more.
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Looks like you got off easy. It appears he regularly ran a "I didn't receive the item" scam on other sellers. http://dkoldies.pissedconsumer.com/
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We have a seller unloading some nice sealed, Atari games. Decent pricing too! More to come I am told.
Check it:
Pretty sure this guy was one of the Venezuelan sellers who just got booted from Ebay for failure to deliver a number of items and for failure to even respond to complaints. I believe he is classics_in and I know he posts here on the forums, but I believe there may be several folks on Ebay who would like to speak to him about getting a refund.
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Did you contact him to salvage the transaction? :curious:
Good question, but nope. It was around Christmas/New Years and I just wrote it off as I didn't want to deal with any more disappointment or buggering with the post office sending the crap back. Customer service and the entire buying experience just plain sucks today and I can hear the excuses now: "it's the only one we had in stock" or "we clean our games that way to avoid the least common denominator complaining about them not working" or whatever. Fact is, I thought Atari2600.com usually was a higher end trading experience. 10+ years ago anyway, before the ownership change. Outside of this transaction, only other thing I bought was the Bugs Bunny 2600 prototype CIB and that was great, 'cept the quality of the label isn't anywhere near what Al has been doing the last few years.
It's entirely possible that JC would have offered to refund my money after sending the stuff back. But that's not the point. Shouldn't have had to deal with any adversity like this in the first place and I'm just getting tired of telling people that should know better, how to run their business.
I reacted the same way. I've gotten to the point where I just write the losses off rather than deal with the hassle of returning stuff. I have been disappointed by 2600.com, Video 61 and even B&C recently. I don't mind paying a premium price for something that is good quality, but I am shocked at what vendors, including ones I have dealt with successfully for years, will slap in a box and ship out. I actually got an ST game from B&C that literally had small black insects living inside the wrap. Video 61 sent me a Lynx game at a premium price that looked like it got run over by a truck. I guess the reality is that so much of this stuff has been grabbed up by collectors that the vendors are trying to squeeze every last penny out of the junk they have left.
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I have too and it went well. Quick to pay and communication is great. Gotta say though that the last batch of Intellivision goodies I bought from him were a little disappointing. Was the most expensive flea market looking crap I have ever bought in my life. Nearly $100 worth of stuff. An Imagic box had writing on it and was nearly crushed. Many of the overlays were trashed and/or cut/ripped, a PB cart was severely mottled and the games were all cleaned with what looked like sandpaper. Had funky scratches all up inside the cart casings too. Not cool. Not cool at all. I hope that's not a new practice for him as he should know better dealing with collectors. I'm still extremely disappointed with this purchase
I have also had bad experiences buying from him on anything but items that are specifically described and given a number grade. Even then, unless it rates a "10", prepare to be disappointed. Most of his "new" games are in fact very heavily worn and really aren't in collectible shape.
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What do you think I've been recently offered for all this??
I'm going to guess $500.
ha!
I think you need to understand that not everyone wants a truck bed full of Apple II stuff, even if they collect for it. A lot of us are gamers first and the Apple II portion of our collection consists of a complete computer and a bunch of boxed games. All the cards and connectors and extra drives and modems might be of interest to a computer museum or a really hardcore collector, but to most of us, it would just be more junk we have to store and/or give away. If you want to maximize your profit, it seems like breaking it all up into individual hardware/software packages would be the way to go. Failing that, I couldn't see paying more than a few hundred bucks for a bunch of stuff that would have to be hauled and stored and eventually given away.
On the OP's point, I don't necessarily agree that Ebay auctions are overpriced for Apple II stuff. I have yet to find a good source outside of Ebay for NIB or mint boxed Apple II games or other items. Yes, there are plenty of sources for loose or well used stuff including swap meets, garage sales, Craigslist, etc...but for collector's quality stuff, Ebay seems to be the only game in town right now.
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Hey Joe Man - how much for all of them?lol
Actual collectors know that Amazon and Ebay BIN prices are 2-3 times actual market value and are only for desperate suckers who can't wait a few months until a better and much cheaper copy pops up.
Yeah, kinda like the cheaper copies in my sale thread we're posting in.
As a fun little sidebet though, I wanna see what that auction ends up at in 6hrs. It's completely irrelevant to my prices, but I bet it'll easily top $100, who knows.
If you're talking about your $5 and $10 games, then yes. Your premium priced games are way out of whack as I noted with specific examples above. It very well might hit $100, but if it does, you'd still be off by 33% on your estimate, not including the 13% in fees and Paypal charges which means the seller will only get $87 or just over half what your estimate was. Might serve as a nice clue to help you understand your mispricing of things.
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eBay Auction -- Item Number: 120660005235
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 120617260094
...but let's just keep on bitchin' and disregard everything I've said/proven.
Hoping an actual collector sees this thread.
Yep, you completely missed the point. Those are pie in the sky prices which results in those games sitting there for years. I noticed you didn't link to the auction with a mint complete copy of the game which ends in six hours...
eBay Auction -- Item Number: 270694699726
Admittedly, it will probably go for more between now and the close of auction, but it's not gonna hit $150. I would venture somewhere in the $60-$70 range. Could it be that this is what actual market pricing looks like? Actual collectors know that Amazon and Ebay BIN prices are 2-3 times actual market value and are only for desperate suckers who can't wait a few months until a better and much cheaper copy pops up.
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NO Eye of the Beholder games? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!All three are included in The Forgotten Realms: Silver Archives
The vast majority of PC games released in the past decade are literally worthless.Well this is flat-out inaccurate.
Personally, everything listed is too new for me as I tend to collect 90s computer games and earlier.There is a shitload of 90's stuff here; maybe you have glaucoma?
I mean, is a mint copy of Oni with a Best Buy soundtrack really worth $70 when a NOS mint copy in the original box can still be purchased for $10?Yes, it is. Find me a comparable copy for sale including the rare soundtrack (all in mint/complete cond) and pat yourself on the back.
Is a used Dragon Wars with a strategy guide really worth $95 used when a NOS copy can be purchased for $20? I don't know, but I believe there is some very wishful thinking going on here.If the market is still the same as when I did this list, then again, yes, it is.
You can glance at Amazon and Ebay's prices and say "OMG, THIS GUY IS WAY OVERPRICED, WTF," but the issue lies in actually reading the seller's descriptions. It literally took me 2 weeks to go through every fucking game on both websites and read every seller description of the other copies for sale in order to get a price point for my stuff. Things would be listed for "new" that would say, "PRODUCT ONLY COMES IN SLEEVE," or something like The Lost Vikings saying "BRAND NEW IN JEWELCASE CD."
While in comparison, I have something like this to sell:
Main point being: If you honestly don't what you're talking about, then don't threadshit. I'm not here to rip anyone off; these are actually well-worth the prices posted (surprise!), and are an amazing find for the lucky person who actually knows what they're worth. As I said, I'm WILLING TO NEGOTIATE as well, since clearing it out is just as important as selling it at this point.
Look, you are entitled to list your items for whatever you want. Having said that, you listed these exact same items several weeks ago on Digital Press and then complained that nobody bought anything which you assumed was because nobody collects PC games over there. That's completely not true. In fact, there is a very lively group of PC and classic computer game collectors over there, but we are all very savvy about pricing and are picky about what we buy. Having said all that, I'm sorry, but I do know a lot about PC gaming prices as I watch Ebay sales constantly and regularly buy from the various vendors that have tons of older NOS PC games in stock. There have been literally tens of thousands of PC games released in the past 30 years and the overwhelming majority of them are worth pennies on the dollar. That's not to say that every PC game is worthless, but frankly a lot of them are. Heck, you seem somewhat aware of this as you have a lot of stuff listed for $5 each. I would guarantee you paid more than that for most of them. The games that seem to maintain value are RPGs and adventure titles (older Sierra stuff, etc...)(original release, not re-releases or compliations which you seem to have), Lucasarts (again, original, not re-releases or jewel cased versions and many people only collect NOS) and specific strategic, FPS or RTS games, again original release and generally factory sealed.
As for accurate pricing, you can't just look at current Ebay and Amazon listings. Those games sit on there for months or years without moving. They also include the seller factoring in the commission they have to pay Amazon which runs 15% or more and Ebay which is 13% for listing fees and Paypal charges. You obviously aren't paying anyone listing fees.
A more accurate gauge is to look at completed auctions and other vendors that have the same items listed on their webstores that actually end up selling. For example, there are several factory sealed copies of Oni for $10 on Ebay which haven't sold. Do you really believe your opened copy with a Best Buy soundtrack is worth $60 more? Does anyone actually collect that particular game or soundtrack? I sure don't know anyone. Similarly, I know of a very prominent Ebay and on-line vendor who has copies of Dragon Wars NIB for the PC for $20. Is your opened copy with a guidebook worth 4X that much? No way. Is World Games which is found NIB constantly on every platform for $20 or under worth $75 sealed? Absolutely not. Is Rocket Ranger which isn't even very good on the PC and which regularly sells for $20-$30 NOS worth $50 used? Nope. I think the fact that you are quoting $150 for the Wing Commander pack is a sign that you are the one who is out of touch. I just completed a NOS Wing Commander collection of all the original releases on the PC and I have never seen that pack go for more than $75 or so in recent years and that's NIB.
The fact that you have only sold a handful of items between your various listings should be a clue that the pricing is off. Yes, you might get lucky and find someone desperate for a particular game that you might have, but chances are there's not going to be enough chance demand to clear out everything you have listed.
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Hot diggity, time to get selling. Most of mine are minty too.
Good luck with that. I don't think there's really a big collector's market for PC games in general. Being a gamer and not a collector, these prices are sticker shock to me, but I suppose if he's patient, he will sell a few here and there. From the attached picture, they do look like they're in excellent condition...
It really depends on the title. The vast majority of PC games released in the past decade are literally worthless. There are some that have value to collectors assuming they are mint in the original retail box and complete. Personally, everything listed is too new for me as I tend to collect 90s computer games and earlier. I also wouldn't use this sales list as a guide to the value of these particular games. I mean, is a mint copy of Oni with a Best Buy soundtrack really worth $70 when a NOS mint copy in the original box can still be purchased for $10? Is a used Dragon Wars with a strategy guide really worth $95 used when a NOS copy can be purchased for $20? I don't know, but I believe there is some very wishful thinking going on here.
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Wow. allatariart.com is friggin amazing! Glad to see there is an opp for the artist to still pull some coin from the artwork.
I'd be interested to know if they actually have permission to be doing that. Normally these types of things are done under what's called "work for hire", where the hiring party owns the actual artwork even if the artist may still have the original in their possession. If that's what was done in this case (which I believe it was) then all they'd have the legal right to do is sell the actual original itself for the artist (i.e. like an art gallery). A perfect example would be Norman Rockwell and his work done for the Saturday Evening Post (which the Post routinely licenses out). Normally the Norman Rockwell Licensing Company has to work with Curtis Publishing (owner of the Post) when reprinting Saturday Evening Post works for sale (even if from the original), as Curtis Publishing actually owns those works.
In further example, any work I did for the Flashback 2+ box or manual is actually owned by Atari Interactive. I may have the originals sitting here on my computer, but because they paid me for the work itself vs. just my time (which is what work for hire is) they own it.
Have any friends that work at Staples/Kinkos/etc?
If not, make one.There a reason why these places will not copy material unless demonstration of permission is given - even if you have a friend working there. Usually sets off big red alarms with the management and can get your friend in a lot of hot water.
You're most likely correct. I don't think any company, even in the 70s, would have let the artist control copyright to their work if it was being done specifically for a consumer product. I also was under the impression that at least the original of the Warlords box art was in someone's collection. Isn't there someone that always brings it to the museum at CGE? It's cool that these prints are available, but it seems very unlikely that they are properly licensed.
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It looks like the guy that was posting here also got kicked off Ebay as I was watching several of his auctions today and they all disappeared from my watch list and he now has nothing up for sale. It's too bad this whole Venezuela situation wasn't better organized. It could have been great for classic collectors.
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>As this issue was highlighted by Atari User readers, we've posted some advice for people ordering from Venezuela through >ebay/Paypal. You can read it here
The link is 'not authorized'. It is to a forum that requires registration. Maybe copy and paste it here.
I think, you have some misconceptions, You can check the tracking numbers in several countries, for example the following start letters of the tracking number:
EE Shipments (Ems) can be chaecked for most countries who provide tracking of Incoming packets, Usa, Canada Post and many others.
CP Large packet Certified Airmail (more than 2 Kilos), can be checked in severla countries, Including Usa and Canada
RR Small certified airmall packet (less than 2 kilos): This one can only be checked locally and in very few countries, Like Canada, and Usps only when is in their hands, from Us customs departure to delivery.
Those are international Post service codes, many countries follow that rules.
The problem with refunds is that most of the buyers never return the money after reception, (according with other sellers experience) even one is using a debt collection service for recovery, with extra cost and trouble. I may had to use that service in the future.
Obviously, as everyone has pointed out, there are problems with how you are handling your sales which is impacting both how much you are getting for items at auction and causing financial losses to you even after a purchase has been made. That's why many of us have been suggesting that you partner with a well known vendor here in the US to bulk ship a bunch of the stuff at once and then have them handle sales and tracking. From the buyer's perspective, having no recourse through Ebay or Paypal is a huge issue. While you may be trustworthy, not every Venezuelan seller has been. I'm sorry, but while some people are risk takers, the vast majority of buyers are not and you really are missing out on a lot of potential revenue.
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good question...and if you notice the guy must of obtained a green card and is now selling them out of Katy, Texas!!! Don't recall the new ebay ID with rating of zero but it will be easy to spot! At least shipping won't take 70 days to arrive. I wonder who sold him his green card
Is this one of the same guys?, doesn't seem to have the usual spiel about shipping charges and delivery times.
I dunno. I've seen some pictures with same ebay ID pasted in middle of picture. My guess is he struck a deal with someone who is selling for him/her...who knows
My guess was actually that he was just doing a bait and switch using a fake address as shipping is the same $6 he charges in his Venezuelan auctions or that this is just a scammer stealing auction listings. I guess we will find out soon enough, but I doubt someone all of a sudden received a huge stock of Venezuelan stuff in the US.
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Not to be overly critical, but I don't really see the point of all these rarity request posts you've been doing lately. You're using Ebay and people are obviously aware of your auctions, so let the market decide what stuff is worth. Honestly, what people bid on your stuff is going to be significantly lower than what an American seller might get simply because it costs more to ship and some people just won't buy from newer sellers or from South America. You also have the problem that not everything you sell is mint collector's shape, so that impacts prices as well. It seems like it would make sense for you to make an arrangement with a US seller or dealer and just ship a bunch of stuff to them for sale and redistribution.
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Fairly low. It pops up fairly regularly on Ebay and it's a multi-platform game with the ST version being a port and not really as good as the Amiga version or even the IIgs which I believe was either the first or one of the first IIgs games. It generally goes for $20-$50 depending on the version and condition.
And what about a Mint sealed copy?
On the ST on Ebay, you're probably looking at $25-$30. I actually know at least one major Atari dealer that still sells it NIB for $20. The Amiga version tends to go for closer to $50.
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Fairly low. It pops up fairly regularly on Ebay and it's a multi-platform game with the ST version being a port and not really as good as the Amiga version or even the IIgs which I believe was either the first or one of the first IIgs games. It generally goes for $20-$50 depending on the version and condition.
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I would pay $400 cash
The JP version goes for $800 on ebay Buy it now. I would love to see a up-to-date price check on the English version!
Anthony....
It looks like one just sold in similar condition on Neo-Geo.com forums for about $500. So, there has been roughly 20% growth in value over the past couple of years. There is no way a JP version sells for $800 and I would suspect that same item has been available for months or years. Why not just post on the Neo-Geo.com marketplace forum and see what kind of offers you get?
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Hi guys,
I have a mint 100% complete Rage of the Dragons for the Neo-Geo system. Does anybody now how much its worth?
Anthony....
If it's the US version, about $400.
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I'll wait for any qualitative judgement until I can actually play them myself. I am glad they are being made each as individual cartridge, since that is authentic to how they would have been made. I am also thankful that I have an opportunity to own a piece of Amiga history, as an atari fan and an amiga fan.
You couldn't be any more wrong. The initial plan was to release these games on casette in a manner similar to the Starpath Supercharger. Later, the plan was revised to pack multiple games on one cartridge, including the three 3-D games. http://www.atarihq.com/museum/2678/amiga.html
The fact that this "release" is both overpriced and inauthentic is extremely disappointing.
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I think what he is trying to say is that he believes 6 separate carts is wasteful - why not put all theses games on one cartridge as a multi-cart... ???
There was a scramble to do so according to Scott, but finding an available programmer with the time to create a multi cart loader prgram to handle all six games was difficult.
In my opinion, I think each of the six games should be released as is - one cart per game. Call me a traditionalist, but that's how it was done "back in the day."
Tim
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The problem with that argument is that these are not complete games and instead of a nice cardboard box, they are being packaged in plastic cases with a really ugly insert. Even the ones that are "complete" are not quite finished or apparently not very good games. I applaud the team for putting these out, but given the cost, I just can't see buying these at this point. Maybe if a single cartridge release is done down the road for a smaller cost, I might consider it.
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While that's an interesting personal theory, it's not how collectibles markets work. I think there are many collectors who would pay more than original MSRP for a NOS 2600, 5200 and 7800, although admittedly, $550 is too much in my opinion for a 5200. That doesn't mean Atari or some other company is going to start manufacturing them again (although at least in the case of the 7800, there was an attempt made by some collectors to do a re-release a few years ago). They would be looking for tens of thousands of unit sales, not hundreds or maybe a couple thousand. Also, many of us collect video games and given the fact that you are here, I would assume you either collect or have an interest in Atari. Just because something is not an "antique" doesn't mean it's not collectible or valuable to a lot of people. Heck, there are tons of cars and other items less than 20 years old that are far more valuable than their original MSRP. It's all about demand and collectibility, not necessarily age.