bojay1997

I got mine a few months back at B&C. It was mint sealed and only $10. http://www.myatari.com/atarilyn.txt

When someone says 'make a deal and you have a deal' what does that mean to you? And then magically after 4 months it is sold? it is odd to me, hence my posting. Actually, I have never heard anyone use the phrase "make a deal and you have a deal". If you look at the literal language, it means nothing. It's like saying "if we reach a deal then we have a deal". It seems you interpreted that as "if I make an offer, any offer, you have to accept it." Personally, if someone e-mailed that to me, I would interpret it to mean "if I make a reasonable offer that the buyer accepts, we have a deal". Until someone says to me, "I accept your offer, here's my Paypal address", I assume that it can be sold to anyone else and that there is no deal. I agree that the seller could have been more clear about what that phrase meant, but I don't think either side was really clear about the deal and as such, I don't have an issue with the seller accepting an offer 5 times what yours was from a buyer who had expressed at least some interest long before you came along. I also have to agree with Ianoid that this whole line about doing presentations for kids has nothing to do with anything and is frankly offensive. Lots of us do charity work or donate to charity and we would never mention it in the hopes of getting a deal on something. While you might be planning to use this in some school program, ultimately, it's gonna end up in your collection, so it's not like it's an entirely charitable effort. Well obviously and how is it offensive? perhaps you need to buy a dictionary! And it is not about getting a 'deal' I felt that is all it was worth, and as I thought that is all it is worth, as I bought one today, NEW IN THE BOX with the tape still on the box for $30, unused, and it is still white not yellowed! So, I think my offer was more than fair So let me get this straight, you somehow magically in the course of the past twelve hours found a NIB unit for $30 that is white? The unit is supposed to be a light tan and not white. If your unit is white, it is either a fake or someone spray painted it. Also, unless you post a picture I call BS. In maybe a decade, I have seen two NIB units that were truly new in the box and certainly none that sold for $30 or were readily available.

When someone says 'make a deal and you have a deal' what does that mean to you? And then magically after 4 months it is sold? it is odd to me, hence my posting. Actually, I have never heard anyone use the phrase "make a deal and you have a deal". If you look at the literal language, it means nothing. It's like saying "if we reach a deal then we have a deal". It seems you interpreted that as "if I make an offer, any offer, you have to accept it." Personally, if someone e-mailed that to me, I would interpret it to mean "if I make a reasonable offer that the buyer accepts, we have a deal". Until someone says to me, "I accept your offer, here's my Paypal address", I assume that it can be sold to anyone else and that there is no deal. I agree that the seller could have been more clear about what that phrase meant, but I don't think either side was really clear about the deal and as such, I don't have an issue with the seller accepting an offer 5 times what yours was from a buyer who had expressed at least some interest long before you came along. I also have to agree with Ianoid that this whole line about doing presentations for kids has nothing to do with anything and is frankly offensive. Lots of us do charity work or donate to charity and we would never mention it in the hopes of getting a deal on something. While you might be planning to use this in some school program, ultimately, it's gonna end up in your collection, so it's not like it's an entirely charitable effort.

So, I have been seeing all these Atari7800.com auctions pop up on Ebay and after looking at their catalog, it appears that they are just reselling Video 61's stock as all the available games and prices are identical. Does anyone know who they are and what their relationship if any is to Video 61? Has anyone actually dealt with them?

That the asking price. I wonder how many are really selling. Probably none. They seem to be selling for $50-$80 used but mint and $80-$120 sealed on Ebay. As such, $40 is really not a bad price.

I understand your argument, but I think it's just plain wrong and sadly consistent with a lot of your other pro-seller/anti-rational buyer arguments on Ebay including the ridiculous argument that the buyer needs to leave you feedback first. Unless there was a legitimate mistake (i.e. you had the item, listed it and didn't realize your spouse or kids had already given it away or sold it or the item was literally stolen), there is no reason the seller should be able to simply walk away from the sale. I agree with you that the buyer's options are very limited and ultimately, he will be forced to walk away. Having said that, as a community we can condemn this seller and refuse to buy from him, especially given that the seller lied about the reason for cancelling the sale and then made all sorts of claims about not wanting to ship despite the buyer offering more protections than any other buyer I have ever seen. If he doesn't want to take the risk of shipping internationally, that's fine, but that's a decision which has to be made when the item is listed, not after the fact. I am not sympathetic to sellers on Ebay. They circumvent a lot of the hoops most retailers and small business owners have to go through in the rest of the marketplace (seller's permits, state and local taxes, accurately reporting income for tax purposes, paying employees, rent, utilities, advertising, etc...) and often use the relative cloak of the Internet to avoid taking responsibility for lying about the condition of goods, actual shipping costs, etc... I have been buying and selling on Ebay for over a decade now and only had a small handful of problems and believe me, Ebay and Paypal do not always favor the buyer and I have lost money on a few transactions with dishonest sellers. Ultimately, as collectors and gamers, we should be on the side of the buyer. Sellers have the ability to take good care of themselves.

Actually, it's not their prerogative. Under the laws of most states and Puerto Rico as a matter of fact, a winning bid on Ebay would be a binding contract and you could sue the seller for breach. Of course, this is such a small amount of damages that even small claims would be a waste, but don't think for a second that this is like some retail situation where you have a sign out front telling people you have the right to refuse service to anyone. If you list something on Ebay and someone meeting your bidding conditions wins (i.e. you say you ship worldwide or to the entire US without exclusions) and you as the seller refuse to sell to them because you did a side deal with someone else, you are not only in violation of Ebay policies, but you have breached a binding sales contract. As far as I'm concerned, if you refuse to honor a sale, you should not only get a negative, but have your account suspended. The fact that you as a well respected seller in this community are telling us that you do this and it's not a big deal is really disturbing.

Chris, I´m very sorry about your package, but is more than a month that left the country, now is US Customs and Usps to blame, your case is very excepcional, maybe the box is on queue on homeland security for inspection, i don´t know. If the packet is lost, I will be the one loosing money, not you, so don´t worry. The mail system in my country is not ayt all an example of efficient service, but they charge what you get, I get quoted 5 Intv loose carts (Usps cheapest) at 41$ we charge 30$ for a 13 pound box (an Atari 800xl, by example) But as i stated you most of the Venezuelan seller sales are from re-sellers, so is very probably that all the new items on Ebay from us sellers came from Venezuela originally. Many people are willing to pay extra for faster shipping, but is strange that almost no one pay the express option on Ebay purchases.. I still have 6000 square feet to search, so it will be more stuff coming from Venezuela for a long time. So wait, you do still have access to the warehouse? Are you one of the sellers on Ebay? Who is running Tuvendes and why do they have Xenophobe for $10 but you said you thought it was rare? Can you please just be honest about what's going on with this whole thing? Are you guys buying from the warehouse owner and do you know the other sellers or are they other people that have a relationship with the warehouse owner who are buying independently from you and selling themselves?

I'm sorry, but unless I'm missing something, you don't actually run a business. Do you have a business license, a business tax id number and are you planning on paying income tax on the sale of the game? I have no problem with someone charging actual shipping costs (including a box if for some reason you can't find one free somewhere), but the point is you gouged this guy on shipping to begin with and didn't refund him until he posted here. A reputable seller would never have had to be asked to do so. Instead of taking an offensive posture towards long-standing members here, as a new member who is using the site simply to resell stuff, you should probably be a lot more moderate in your tone and just admit you made a mistake and move on.

Actually, whoever is running that "tuvendes.com" website is selling them for $10. Are you not associated with that person or company? I really am still confused about how this whole Venezuelan warehouse thing works. Does someone own it and you and several other people are just buying small quantities of stuff to resell or do you all work for the warehous owner or do you get the stuff on consignment or what? Is a very long and complicated story, But only few people had access to that warehouse. everyone wants to keep the secret I didn´t do my homework (to check on Ebay), I just checked the rarity list on AA and see R7, seems that needs to update that rating. Well, how about sharing the story? It's not like someone from here has the capability to deal with the warehouse directly and it's pretty tough to get stuff out of Venezuela anyway as a US citizen, so I don't see what all the secrecy is about. Also, the stuff that is being sold is going for dirt cheap prices anyway, so I can't see what the issue is.

Actually, whoever is running that "tuvendes.com" website is selling them for $10. Are you not associated with that person or company? I really am still confused about how this whole Venezuelan warehouse thing works. Does someone own it and you and several other people are just buying small quantities of stuff to resell or do you all work for the warehous owner or do you get the stuff on consignment or what?

You can buy protective cases for your games without getting them graded. I believe at least one member here regularly sells archival cases for games. I agree with the comments above on grading by the way. It really hasn't caught on except with a very small group of resellers and the focus really seems to be NES and SNES stuff, not older classic games.

I agree Not to sound rude but Ebay set that price not me for international shipping. I am talking to the other people that responded. I will refund you $9.50 ( I had a $2 handling fee) later this evening I am stepping out at the moment but wanted to let you know what is going on. Actually, Ebay doesn't set shipping prices. They have a calculator you can use and sometimes it's off. In those cases, it would be appropriate to refund the buyer the excess shipping without having to be asked.

Hello. I am looking for a new in box Atari 7800 console and a new in box Atari 2600JR. Please message me if you have one or both for sale. Thank you.

Actually, if you use the bargain shipping, it took exactly six weeks to the day it was shipped out on my last two orders. They typically offer expedited shipping for an added cost which I would assume is pretty quick.

While that's great, it really does seem to be luck of the draw. I know some people got nice stuff and others got dented and dinged and moldy stuff. If you look at the new website, clearly a lot of the items pictured have damage and Robotron for the 5200 has black mold specks. Not sure how to avoid the problem as the sellers don't seem willing or able to separate it out and use a single picture of one item for multiple auctions.

Having bought some items from all three of the major Venezuelan sellers on Ebay, I would say that this isn't really good for collectors who are anal about condition. A lot of their stuff is dinged, dented and bent or has really significant box wear. More alarming than that is the fact that wherever they were stored was not climate controlled or otherwise protected from condensation and mold as there are black specs and other tell-tale signs of this on a lot of their items. I can say that they are trustworthy, but I would add that the buyer should not be expecting pristine mint collectors copies of most items.

That is why I phrased everything the way I did. I said MANY of the people that collect loose games. Not ALL of the people. I never said broke. I said they didn't have as much money to throw at collecting. I think 9 out of 10 loose collectors would say they would rather have a collection full of boxes if money was no object. What if Wonder offered up all his boxes to a loose collector in a lottery. I think every loose collector that knew about it would enter the lottery. Do you really think that if any of the collectors on here were a billionaire that they would collect loose games? Not a chance. There is nothing wrong with collecting loose games, but money is usually the underlying reason. I have been collecting since 1995 and I just started collecting boxes a couple of years ago. My rationale back then was "would I rather have 100 boxed games or 500 loose games?" I chose the latter. And just because someone collects boxed games doesn't mean they have more money than a loose collector. The loose collector might just have more common sense. You see people all the time selling off collection because they need the cash. I never said boxed collectors had more money. I simply said they had more money they were willing to spend on games. From your posts in this thread and others it is clear you have something against collectors. I am not sure what it is, but you get angry when people spend decent money on games. Maybe it is because they drive your prices up. I have no idea, but quit saying ridiculous things and spinning everything I say out of context. You can throw as many qualifying adjectives as you want at it, but it's still a generalization that has a negative connotation/stigma attached to it. The Haves vs. Have Nots, etc. "They would all have CIB collections if they could afford it." Yeah. I'm not a big fan of that kind of elitism. I wouldn't say I have a problem with collectors per se, and they certainly don't make me "angry". But I would say that many collectors (of anything not just Classic Videogames) tend to be very provincial and elitist in their views towards non collectors, or even those collectors with inferior collections to their own. It's a nasty little side effect of collecting. Lots of people get greedy with it. And just like you said - it drives the price of things for everyone, even those who aren't collectors. My only point really was that most people in this community aren't collectors. They're gamers. They love videogames, of all types, but especially the classics they grew up on. Sure, many attach some nostalgic value to the games they buy, but I would submit that most of the people here really just like the games, and the fun of playing or talking about them. But many Collectors are a different sort. Nostalgic value is superseded by perceived monetary value. It's all about driving the price up, and making their own collection worth more, and having bragging rights to show off their collections of rare expensive trinkets. Many don't even play the games. They just seal them off in a display case and wait for the value to go up. I think for those who strictly collect and don't even enjoy the games, their actions do a disservice to the classic gaming community, and anyone who wants to have fun playing these games. I'm sorry, but I think your point is a stereotype as well. How do you know most people in this "community" (however that is being defined) aren't collectors? Obviously, many of us are or there wouldn't be all sorts of label variation lists, etc...for 2600 carts. A "gamer" (whatever that is) would only need one copy of a game, not multiples. Similarly, a gamer wouldn't need thousands of games because there is only so much time in the day to play video games. Of course, many people here and elsewhere have thousands of games and try to complete sets or a group of games on a particular console. I also don't know many video game collectors who care about the monetary value of their collection. Now, sometimes that can change if there is a financial emergency or something, but I would bet that most people here have no actual idea what their collection is worth at any given time and only a rough idea of what a particular game is worth currently. Like one of the other posters, I was more of a gamer before I hit my 30s and had other responsibilities which made playing games or even having things spread around the house less realistic. Now, I basically collect and store stuff safely away for the day when the kids are grown up and I have more time again to do more frivolous things. I really resent the fact that you think it's impossible for a collector to enjoy games. I enjoy my collection just as much if not more than you enjoy playing your games.

Your auction title is deceptive. The item might be "as new" or "like new" which sellers seem to use instead of mint nowadays, but that's not the same as "new in box" which is what is stated.

In over 20 years of buying stuff from around the world, customs has only opened the actual games I ordered once and luckily, they weren't even factory sealed, so it wasn't an issue. I have yet to hear anyone complain that the Venezuela games have been arriving opened. Having said that, if you are expecting mint/sealed copies, you will be disappointed. The 2600 games they sell all have denting and crushing from years of variable storage. Even the stuff being sold by the case seems not to have escaped damage. They also sell some stuff which clearly has mold or discoloration from years of storage. Specifically, some of their Colecovision games and even some of the computer games have evidence of this in the pictures and in the actual items from what other collectors have told me. If you can deal with these potential issues, they are a great bargain and while it takes forever (literally six weeks to the day I bought them the last time I ordered), they are legit and will deliver. We shipped some routers and an HDMI cable to Venezuela last month. We had to have it returned to us after it arrived in Venezuela due to credit card fraud. When we got it back we realized that customs opened all of the router boxes and had removed the shrinkwrap. What is worse is that they cut the HDMI cable open. As if we were smuggling drugs inside of it or something. It was crazy... and irritating. While that's interesting, it was a two way trip of the same package which probably raised a ton of red flags, especially since you shipped from the top drug consuming country in the world to a known drug transport hub and back again. I don't know anyone who has reported problems with the video games from the Venezuelan sellers suffering a similar fate.

In over 20 years of buying stuff from around the world, customs has only opened the actual games I ordered once and luckily, they weren't even factory sealed, so it wasn't an issue. I have yet to hear anyone complain that the Venezuela games have been arriving opened. Having said that, if you are expecting mint/sealed copies, you will be disappointed. The 2600 games they sell all have denting and crushing from years of variable storage. Even the stuff being sold by the case seems not to have escaped damage. They also sell some stuff which clearly has mold or discoloration from years of storage. Specifically, some of their Colecovision games and even some of the computer games have evidence of this in the pictures and in the actual items from what other collectors have told me. If you can deal with these potential issues, they are a great bargain and while it takes forever (literally six weeks to the day I bought them the last time I ordered), they are legit and will deliver.

I don't know, the three main sellers down there seem to be selling most of what they list. Having said that, I ended up buying a Compumate, some of their Avalon Hill games and a few 2600 titles. The Compumate box was pretty beat up as were the 2600 games. The Avalon Hill stuff was fine. Basically, I would treat anything that comes from them in a non-rigid box as complete in box as a buyer as it's not mint by any strectch. Still, interesting to get some formerly hard to find stuff for a lot less than it used to go for.

To get the 100 grade the plastic needs to not have a single scratch on it. The seams needs to be straight and perfect. Basically if anyone looks at it they can't find a single thing wrong with it which is almost impossible to do. If you can get a 100 it would be big money no matter what game it is. The rarer or more popular games like the ones I have above would bring more money. But even POW would be nice money. I would say $300-$500. I would personally pay $300 for a VGA 100 POW. The black box game and very popular games would be over $1000. It is how you value things. You do not value a graded games as anything but there are many people who do. Grade makes a big difference, so many people say it is mint and when they arrive it is just not mint. This gives you a much better idea of the grade. If you got VGA 100's on all your games you would get a ton of money. I would be happy to buy most of them for hundreds each and then sell them for more since you do not feel they will sell. All you have to do is get the VGA 100:) I think it's not many people who actually do value sealed graded games, at least not in the classic collectors community. In fact, the one graded game that was auctioned at CGE was an 85 Zelda II: Adventure of Link and it only sold for $100 which means after the grading costs, the seller got less than what the game sold for originally in the mid-1980s. Personally, grading makes me sad, both because it really doesn't address the actual condition of the item (i.e. all that is being graded is the box and wrap, not the contents inside like in comics, action figures, etc...) and mostly because the handful of people who are doing it are basically flipping stuff repeatedly and making it appear as though items are far more valuable than they really are. I have no problem with people making a profit on items they have purchased, but when someone is repeatedly buying stuff on Ebay and selling it as graded a couple of weeks later for 2-3 times the cost, it seems like something is really wrong. It also hurts collectors when certain flippers buy up a particular title and have it graded only to sit on Ebay for years. There is some guy on one of the sealed game collectors forums who literally has like 4-5 copies of each title graded which is completely ridiculous. In any event, good luck with your sales.

So Ax, you're saying that only the completed auctions that have the price in green and say sold in green are actually sold. The ones in red are not? clearly the auctions listed in red are not sold items...everyone knows this! Holy smokes, the price on the Mega Man press kit has collapsed. After Ebay and Paypal fees and shipping on those auctions, the seller maybe made $20 for holding onto the item for almost two years now. At least the people who really care about the item have a shot now instead of all the speculators.

toymailman got the bargain one @ $76, the next one went for $209, then the most recent one for $266 Actually, I've been watching his auctions for a while and he sold at least three others in the $70-$80 range in August. There was also one that went for $70, but it wasn't clear if that one was sealed. I didn't see the $209 one, but I'll take your word for it. The hype for the new movie may be pushing these up as well since they were consistently selling for $75-$100 sealed a year ago.