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  1. 6 hours ago, Xebec said:

    Hey folks - are there any still running Atari BBSes left that can be connected to with an analog modem?

     

    I have a few old models I want to test, and I think I can use a VOIP-analog phone adapter to connect at least at some kind of slow speed.. just to see if it works..   (Grandstream HT701)

     

    Thanks :)

    Yes a very small few. Try JP's board usually pretty good luck with the dial up VOIP - Basement BBS 503-245-5416 


  2. Hi Tillek - Your right XL is the current version in process for AWS and/or FujiNet. Has been a real pain and lent some of the code from XE.. All started with wanting to run on real hardware but has changed so your are correct. The XE version has been much easier to work with as the files floating around required much less programing repair.


  3. Lots of documentation for Forem XE and should be contained within the standard package from download - ATR # 3 is all docs: http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/software/ATARI/EIGHTBIT/FOREMXE/

     

    As far as set up with FujiNet - a couple of issue with the RLISTEN need to be worked out otherwise with emulator, everything works fine. Also FujiNet has a packet issue as you will see by logging into the test board Jerry from Mouse Net has set up bbs-mousenet.dynip.online:8889  You will have to wait a long stretch to connect as the RLISTEN routine for some reason ATZ 0 reset followed by ATA for connect - you will see the modem commands after pressing return a few times.. 

     

    Also - 9600 + Baud is a problem you can look at connecting with basementbbs.ddns.net:9000 and see the lock ups and how 9600 is too fast for FujiNet

     

    Southernamis.ddns.net:23 is 2400 baud and works with FujiNet but I can tell based upon the ACK occurring that data flow is not standard such as you see in SyncTerm. Large data packets could cause a lock up or delay. 

     

    I haven't tried my XE or XL cart with FujiNet but have read it works.. A few returning to our community do have fully functional Forem XE boards progressing on real hardware and emulator. Emulator will come online before native hardware just due to the issue above being worked out. It will be interesting also to see if Forem experiences the same issues as BBS Express Pro and FujiNet.. 

     

     


  4. 5 hours ago, Tillek said:

    Or just give you my ATRs, though I'm wondering if they came from the same place.

     

    The version was picked up from original disks. We compared to a few online and all seen the same. Thanks for the offer of your ATR’s and no need as we just tested and have a complete working board. Now it’s up to the sysop to take forward the final details.. Looks like we will have a few forem xl boards coming online.. appreciate the support.


  5. 20 hours ago, Tillek said:

    Which version?  I had a working 5.4 that I played with for awhile long ago... I don't see that file anywhere in the install media or in the installed setup and it seemed to be running fine.

     

    Thanks for checking. We just created a TXT file and it seems to be working. Not sure that will hold as the routine references password indexing. 


  6. To the group - a few sysops are trying to solve a problem with ForemXE - Any insight to the PWAPP file? Seems to not be created by the initialization programs or other utilities. This group has worked through a large batch of cleaning up code and optimizing for brining up a few new BBS's. This is the last piece and a bit stuck.. 

     

    Thanks!


  7. 2 hours ago, Tillek said:

    I actually built one of these, even though mom and dad wouldn't let me run a BBS (only one phone line and too young to get a job to afford my own).

     

    I'm pretty sure I still have it somewhere too, though I might have scavenged a switch or light for another project after the 1030 died and I went the Supra 2400 route.

     

    I actually added a "hold" button to mine (which probably wasn't done well) and a pass through to my phone along with a big red light that went on when the phone rang.

     

    Now that's some good morning memories... thank you.

     

    I think about the engineering mind set which came from these types of hack, now called solutions. Combine the self taught knowledge of programming with the critical thinking to at a young age find such solutions and it explains a lot about our community and the Atari 8-bit Sysop generation..


  8. Just Came Across this file as Im cleaning up some disk - The MACE Amis Docs for building a ring detector.. Remember the trip to RadioShack for the relay and the awesome feeling for not having to hit the joystick fire button each time the BBS phone line rang..

     

     

              M.A.C.E. AMISXM10

             -------------------

              Ring Detector DOC

     

     

     

     The following text describes how to build a 'Ring Detector' for the Atari 835 or 1030 modem.

    Failure to build or install  correctly can result in damage to your computer.

     

    The joystick lines must never come in contact with the phone line!!

     

    BUILD AND USE THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

     

     We DID NOT design this device and

    are in no way responsible for it.

     

     CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION! 

     

    This device is NOT FCC APPROVED! Use at YOUR own risk!!

     

     

    There are only four parts required to build a ring-detector:

     

     1) A phone wire to connect to your phone line. Plug-in type is best.

     

     2) A joystick replacement cable. Gemini VG150 or equivalent.

     

     3) A 125 Volt AC relay. Radio Shack # 275-217B or equivalent.

     

     4) A 20 MF or greater capacitor of at least 70 volts.

     

     5) Optional plastic box. Do NOT use metal.

     

     

       This is an electrical diagram of the ring-detector.

     

     

     

                    N.C. O

      Green               \    Orange

    ------------         4 O------------6

              7 >              Joystick 2

                >   N.O. 6 O------------8

    Phone  Relay>               Black

    Line    Coil>

              8 >

                |+

                = 20MF

                |

    ------------

       Red

     

     

     

     1) Connect the Green phone wire to pin 7 of the relay coil.

     

     2) Connect the + end of the 20MF Capacitor to pin 8 of the relay coil.

     

     3) Connect the Red phone wire to the - end of the Capacitor.

     

     4) Connect the unit to the phone line and test to see that it responds.

     

     5) REMOVE IT FROM THE PHONE LINE!!

     

     6) Connect the Orange Joystick wire to the Common Relay Contact pin 4

     

     7) Connect the Black Joystick wire to the N.O. Relay Contact pin 6.

     

    8 With a meter or circuit tester, check that no connection between the phone wires and the joystick wires. Cross check all four wires

     

     9) Package up, to protect the unit and install into Joystick port 2.

     

     10) Plug the unit into the phone jack. You may need a Y-Connector

     

     You are now ready to boot up your BBS program. When the phone rings the ring detector will force the program to answer the phone.

     

    NOTE: The RING DETECTOR must be plugged into joystick port 2 of your computer for this program to work on the 835 or 1030 modem.

     

    If you don't feel you can build this unit your self you can get a ring detector built and ready to go from,

     

         Sector One Computers

         3685 15 Mile Road

         Sterling Heights, MI  48310

         (313)-978-2208

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  9. Working on collecting and archiving the collection of Atascii break cartoons on the web and posting on southern amis bbs. So far I have located about 10. Mouse BBS has 20 or so.. I know the number is much greater.. Are these gone with the times or hiding somewhere and with a collective effort located and preserved?

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  10. On 7/26/2020 at 6:19 PM, JohnPolka said:

     

    The other neat thing about this game is that the rooms are rendered with simple, but effective, ASCII. So, non-Atari users can play the game too.

     

    It's really cool playing this game again...it brings back memories! 

     

    -JP

     

    Working on completing the text for the game this weekend. Anyone recall original themes context? Would like to keep 3D Maze as authentic to the original as possible..


  11. After what I think is a 30 year hiatus, thanks to JP, we have a fully functioning BBS Express! 1.X online game - 3D Maze.. Interesting backstory, as JP locates the physical disk with the Maze builder program which much have been a hunt.. The program built in Turbo Basic uses a really slick algorithm to build a custom set of files which are the 200+ screens for the game. Multiple levels, complexities, and typically 3 to 4 options of direction in this 3D rendering.. The tool set brings together the custom build including directories for Sparta. With a bit more effort and a 64M disk, drive 5 of Southern AMIS is dedicated to the online game.. The libraries function of BBS Express with a minor adjustment to the base loading instructions just knew exactly how to work with the start and image files. A few improvements needed and over the next couple of weeks will add some additional features.. Couple of screen shots attached.. Its live on southernamis.ddns.net:23 

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  12. Awesome! and the best part - I no longer have to sit and copy from Antic Magazine the code by hand.. I just copy and paste!

     

     

    2010 DIM X$(60):X$=".....all the apps destroyed..mission terminated...alien takeover"

    2020 DIM A$(LEN(X$)),C$(LEN(X$)):A$=X$

    2030 POSITION 0,4:? #6;A$(1,20):C$=A$(2) :C$(LEN(C$)+1)=A$:A$=C$

    2040 FOR I=1 TO 30:NEXT I:SOUND RND(0)*3,RND(0)*255,10,RND(0)*8:IF PEEK(53279)<>6 THEN 2030

    2050 FOR N=0 TO 3:SOUND N,0,0,0:NEXT N:GOTO 1060

     

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  13. X, if you need some support, I have a repository of Atari links to content, bunch of docs, etc.. Glad to help with content or pages if needed. I started building some of this as well under www.southernamis.com 

    its the last section to be completed but with so much content, trying to find a very creative way of indexing and housing the materials is still in design as links disconnect as we know.. I have tested a simple menu app in the site for a few downloads. Works ok but a JIRA type structured approach with files, descriptions and ability to comment on the topic is what I have been contemplating. But yet, very compact.

     

    And just as a side note- http://atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=nowinki&ucat=1&subaction=showfull&id=1594542582 

     

    Poland Atari Community is highly active - The link above is another example for large volume content


  14. Some serious investigative reporting. I found a list of BBS’ and platforms at texfiles.com 

     

    if you haven’t seen the BBS list, stats and the historical retention of data all in one place - make this site a priority 


  15. Thanks JP. It was a flurry of memories while documenting the time. Appreciate the opportunity to share experiences and learnings from the days. Glad this forum is available for people who even know what we are talking about..

     

    Your spot on about the current state of our hobby/passion. It's emerging and growing which is a testament to the platforms and the positive experiences. Im all in on building and growing the platform and making time to contribute more each day. 


  16. Atari 8-Bit computing nostalgia during a pandemic – What free time and a legacy of Atari 8-Bit experience brings 40 years later.

     

    Recently when I first realized a solution to the easing of building and the ultimate deployment/hosting the year 2020 Atari 8-bit BBS with modern connectivity, I reflected on the events which lead me to this rationalization in the first place. I also had some inspiration from members of the Atari community to share my experiences of these past 40+ years but didn’t see my experience that different until now in reflection. 

     

    During the pandemic and as always, my Atari hardware was not far from me at any given time even as moving around from east to west, always thinking about the sound of the clicks of the Atari Keyboard, a 1050 drive loading a BBS with the sound of a modem connecting. These were the sense memory triggers to remind me of how I became a sysop and what affects the 80’s using Atari 8bit hardware impacted my life today. Some of us became engineers, built businesses, contributed to the technology we have today and while that may not be all Atari 8-Bit related, for me, most aspects for my journey, values, integrity, and socialization have a direct connection to the time when I was most engaged in programming, gaming and running a BBS.

     

    The school aspect was secondary even though that’s where it all started with the Commodore PET CBM Series 2000. I was lucky to have a mother very supportive of critical thinking, learning, and technology enablement. While she may describe it differently, driving my brother and me to school early in the AM so we could use the newly built PET computer lab was the starting block. We quickly adapted to commodore basic, basics, and all we wanted to do week after week was to have a working version of Pac-Man running on the PET CBM... A few of us built out screens, labor-intensive graphics, and attempted to put the whole thing into motion. Attempted but not successful, as our skills could produce graphics, not exactly reaction to controls, movement, and of course making those little dots disappear. Commodore led us to the purchase of a Vic-20 and the excitement factor was enormous. Here we are at home with our computer purchased at Toys-R-Us. Yes, you could buy a computer in the now nearly defunct toy store. So, let’s put this at about 1982. We used the VIC with its expansion cartridge and tape drive for about a year when we started being introduced by our local Long Island, NY friends to the Atari world. And this is where the brilliance of mothers comes into the world of Atari computing. We were not wealthy, far from it and when we started discussing the Atari purchase, well my retail knowing mother used a tool from her kit to return all the Commodore hardware and gain a store credit for a brand new Atari 800XL. The lady pulled it off with a 1050 and a bunch of Elephant Memory disk. She had superpowers in our eyes. Our group of local friends came with their drives, disk holders filled with treasure, and one disk with AMIS.  We had to get a modem!

     

    Exploring the basic programming written for AMIS was to us, a masterpiece in logic and complexity, we know better now. Taking the print function and pushing it to 1030 was easy enough to understand but the message bases were not so simple. Didn’t take long to build a functioning version of AMIS and try and test it around to see if we had anyone interested in our attempts to be Sysops. My brother and I connected and published the BBS to our parent's phone line, and waited so we could push the joystick fire button to connect anyone to our world. Not ideal as anyone ring and we would run and hit the button and well most of the time it was not someone for the BBS. Spending more time on the keyboard, we got better, and the graphics improved, plus we realized even being so young, we could just call up the phone company and order a phone line.. Can’t remember the full number but 516-242-1XXX is all I’ve got. Southern Comfort BBS was online and with hack instructions along with a visit to RadioShack, we have a relay driven ring detector. It was a great feeling to build solutions and finding ways to combat inhibitors for the sake of accomplishment. Now with the board running, uploads coming in, space at a premium and bigger better boards coming online all the time and competition for users phone dollars, even with all having access to calling codes by now, we met a group of people, all our age building on the AMIS foundation. Handle, The Griff, ran a newly posted board and wanted to build more BBS’s on some outstanding work. At this time, we are about 11 and a good distance apart to obtain the disk for building on The Griff’s version of AMIS, Southern AMIS. What do you do when your 11 and not on a BBS, meet at the mall. We make a plan, I take a bus alone for the first time, get to the mall and meet up with this group of kids who are just as pale as me, haven’t seen daylight until this day and instant friends. I had the disks and while I was grateful to make some new relationships, getting home and loading those disks was all I could think about. My brother eagerly awaiting at home hopefully with some concern I would make it back but probably as the thrill of getting to putting up our new BBS was beyond reasonable excitement. And of course, this is when we returned the Atari 1030 Modem and make some kind of a deal for the MPP 300. Southern AMIS was made for the MPP and its auto-detection features. We get to work, and we now have a presence in the Atari BBS community of Long Island along with The Bandits Hideout, South of the Border, WingNut, Magic BBS, The Shack, Lighthouse, Captain Jacks, Adventure, and the list continues. And with all things which need to evolve, after a year or so of the blue box MPP, The Griff now has a version for Hayes and start running 2400 Baud with a new 130XE, basic XE, and ramdisk. Moving fast! 

     

    If you have been reading this and have no point of reference to the world we lived in, you would question our sanity a 1000 times. Staying home from school and late-night programming, not leaving the house for days to get the next file up on the site, or be the first to have online slot machines, this would seem very foreign. We were extraordinarily passionate about accomplishment and community. We didn’t want to let any user down accessing the board. We learned about ourselves in the way of values in sharing (sometimes not exactly legal software but sharing), critical thinking, problem-solving, integrity, reliability, and the power of networks in friendship. Collaboration during this time was outstanding as with common goals, everyone wanted to succeed, and we all contributed our time, skills, and work product for nothing more than the community. 

     

    Today, after all these years, yes I have an Atari BBS running in tribute to our childhood platform, Southern AMIS. The disks for the original BBS somehow lost along with many stacks of those Elephant Memory disks but the ideology and basis of the foundation provided during these times not forgotten and even passed along to my kids about the same age. Somehow they are interested in the project and enjoyed hearing this recap of the time I spent as a Sysop...

     

    All things come to an end and CompuServe was the end for us. As we now had after school jobs and building some savings, a PC ended up near the Atari set up along with another modem to access the new dial-up platforms, 9600 baud. The sense of community changed, with a bigger net, collaboration and working together locally changed quickly but the foundation of Atari and the pride of ownership still intact to this day as I look at my 800XL with an SIO drive, WiModem 850 interface, when I log into Basement BBS as I did when I was a kid, everything seems right in the world.

     

    During the pandemic, I wanted to do a few things while at home so the months would be memorable and positive. Reading more, learning something new, closer to family, and bringing a BBS online. So far we are all healthy and safe and all of our ambitions being realized. I’m fortunate with the foundation discussed, I have been in a business where everything I learned in the BBS community supports our innovation, growth, collaboration, care for people, and were we do business. I still have that need to be reliable the same way our BBS needed to be running at all times for our users. It’s funny to architect solutions around technology such as AI and RPA for financial services and then, load up the Accounts Receivable program on my Atari and know it started a career for me. I suspect the impact of the high point of BBS’s has a similar impact for many of you. Here is to all the unknow legends of our generation and the known ones, thank you. Thanks, JP!

     

    Southernamis.ddns.net:23 runs in the AWS cloud 24/7 on Atari 130XE, 850 interfaces at a lightning speed of 2400 baud. 

     

    Southernamis.com, the website,  is being built out to share these stories and provide the now growing communities of Atari BBS users a place to record our founding and history as part of the community already well established. With my kids, we now 3D print replacement parts for the Atari community and sell our wares on eBay. The money of course goes to upgrading 3D printers and PC’s which now need expensive graphics cards. The geek factor continues through the generations until their time comes to leave it behind but the instilled connection to the network, people, and the values passed along.

     

    Feel free to connect through this forum, or my contact email is easy, sign into the Southern Amis BBS, either by telnet or @ www.southeramis.com, and leave me an e-mail.

     

    Rob Sherman - Sysop of Southern Amis BBS

     

    Atascii Lives!!

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  17. On 7/5/2020 at 9:59 AM, RobVWA said:

    Making some progress to well make the board usability for wider use:

     

    -southernamis.ddns.net - still on port 23. Since this is not hosted on my network, does the port matter? easy enough to change..

    -sorting the files - creating 4 drives and cleaning up ATR's - moving utilities, msg bases, working files basically for a cleaner run of the bbs

    -Increasing Message Boards - We have a wide area of 3D Atari 3d Printing STL files thought maybe a way of sharing the builds of SD cases, WiModem Cases, replacement 8-bit parts..

    -Finalizing some new screens, creating the back story to publish, etc to make things more interesting

    -Keeping all things legacy - tried a few enhancements but the idea here is a tribute to the BBS world legacy and original innovation (JP - your right)

    -Any other suggestions from the group?

     

    Thanks - RS

    Made serious progress this weekend.. A few backend upgrades to fix the scanner bots from crashing the board, increase of elastically to improve buffer output and smooth scrolling, message boards, menus, and some clean up work to the overall file structure and disks for improved I/O.. More visitors each day.. With all this I was also able to near completion of the backstory and content for sharing with our community.. will be posted shortly in Atari BBS Guru's.. Thanks to JP for checking in on the board and the recommendations. Great project while time consuming, with a few more hours and getting my atascii screen builds perfected, my hope is this project is another bbs built in the original form.. 

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  18. Making some progress to well make the board usability for wider use:

     

    -southernamis.ddns.net - still on port 23. Since this is not hosted on my network, does the port matter? easy enough to change..

    -sorting the files - creating 4 drives and cleaning up ATR's - moving utilities, msg bases, working files basically for a cleaner run of the bbs

    -Increasing Message Boards - We have a wide area of 3D Atari 3d Printing STL files thought maybe a way of sharing the builds of SD cases, WiModem Cases, replacement 8-bit parts..

    -Finalizing some new screens, creating the back story to publish, etc to make things more interesting

    -Keeping all things legacy - tried a few enhancements but the idea here is a tribute to the BBS world legacy and original innovation (JP - your right)

    -Any other suggestions from the group?

     

    Thanks - RS

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