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Oh please do, I so want to hear it now.

...why?

XD Right I meant Party Mix! I don't know why I always want to call it Party Nuts, I guess because of the peanuts on the box playing the game.

You're welcome.

I know its probably stupid, and almost none of want to hear it, but Hyperkin has a sign up for Retron 77 preorders. I signed because I, unlike a lot of you it seems, do actually want to see it become a reality.

Wouldn't be against it if it was cool with him. I vaguely remember him saying they don't take ET though. Something about the labels being difficult to remove.

If you were going to do that. I'd almost prefer using poker chips or tokens. Smaller and easier to count. Oh, and different denominations could be made too.

Yeah, I'm not game for losing my stuff either. And I can see the "winner" walking away with dozens of copies of ET, Combat, and Pacman with terrible labels while the losers get rid of their trash. Maybe Super Mario Bros and Madden for the newer consoles. Maybe if instead of a tournament it was more like a pay to play poker, and bought in with games and you could accept or reject challenges and walk away whenever you wanted, like say when you won a game you really wanted. Instead of risking it, just go home happy.

I know no one said illegal, but it seemed to me everyone was bristling at the mere mention of the word 'bootleg' so I just wanted to let everyone know I wasn't using it as an insult. Well, those are good points, but even with permission, because they weren't made the companies themselves, or 'in house' if you will, I'd still define that as Homebrew. To me, no payment = Homebrew. See, even there, if Microsoft, First Star, or anyone purchased the rights to the games, my definition gets blurry, kind of the fun of it if you ask me. I like your definition of Homebrew, I would add those who do it for a living too, as long as the end result wasn't done as part of their job. Like the original Homebrew Computer Club. And I'm sure if we were to look into public record (or where ever lawsuits are filed and stored, I don't honestly know) we'd find Atari filed a lot of them back in the day. I mean, from what I have seen in interviews and documentaries, its seems Atari and Activision never really stopped suing each other. Then there were other battles with Mattel, who also sued Activision and Coleco in addition to suing Atari, it quickly becomes a mess. I mean, perfect example, the Gemini exists because Atari sued Coleco, who counter-sued with CBS behind them, and they settled out of court and Coleco got a license to Atari's patents.

Guess I'm a little too high strung, apologies. Oh, that explains it. All three of the Imagic Blues are there in that release. I've always wondered about them. If what I've read before is true, and Activison bought up Imagic in 1986, explains the change of cartridges, and the blue labels. Wonder why they continued to use the Imagic name and didn't just sell them under their own name. Honestly a lot later than I thought it would be. Considering the time since some of those releases, its impressive that there's as many Blues out there as there is. Its also kind of sad both Toys 'R' Us and KB are gone. Changing times.

Extra sweet! Now I got to see about getting one of those so I can say I have the beginning and the end. 1977 to 1991 is super impressive too, just got to say.

Sweet! I know its often overlooked, and I dare say a lot of people will disagree with me, but I always enjoyed Secret Quest. Oh, I thought Secret Quest was the last North American/NTSC game released, were those four also released in NTSC?

Random question, does that mean that you're going to add 1989 for Secret Quest then? Or just put a footnote in for 1988, as I don't know how many other games were released that year, possibly none...

Not gonna lie, I keep looking at those and thinking about using them as bumper stickers... Do you do Imagic labels?

Agreed, but in other arenas, portraying a reproduction as an original is illegal, and in the case of currency, Federally illegal to boot. Best to just put something like 'reproduction' on it somewhere just to be safe.

Oh, thank you. Its an old picture of the games I had that I knew sold a million or more cartridges. Should probably see if I can update it. Yeah, the oddballs are fun, and considered 'rare' and are thus valued more. And thank you! I like it when I find things like this in the wild, I don't see to many blue labels outside the Internet you know?

I just really didn't mean to cause an argument, and can't believe all the hate being thrown around because of a picture of a game cartridge. Seriously people, this is supposed to fun, remember? Calm down. Anyway, now that so many people are around, I've been curious as to when they started the blue label thing here. Thoughts anyone? ....no hurt up2...

I think you all mistake my words here. I'm not even suggesting they're illegal, far from it. Bootleg might have negative connotations, but in electronics there's nothing illegal about them. Creating, selling, buying, or using bootlegs is perfectly fine and legal. Say you have a game app on your phone, but not one from the Play Store. Then said app is a bootleg as Google didn't approve or support it, doesn't make it illegal despite what Google might think, its just one outside their catalog. Same for 2600, the games are bootlegs if Atari, Sears, or Coleco didn't release them, but that doesn't make them illegal in any way. ...thought I must say I think Fire Fly is pretty criminally bad. Don't read 'bootleg' as 'counterfeit.' Though some companies use them interchangeably, they're very different.

Ahem brother. I think I have seen two Jaguar systems in the wild. And I literally have bought every Jaguar game I have run across in the wild.

And I argue that's my point. With no definition, that is no official and/or legal definition, it all depends upon your point of view. Legally, the only things that matter are trademarks and patents. Don't violate those, and you can do whatever you want.

I would say Party Nuts, but its pretty rare. Wizards of Wor is fun, and everyone enjoys some good ol' Combat.

Technically all Homebrews as no one, including AtariAge makes a system for them. Just like how all non-Atari and later Coleco made games at the time where bootlegs, as the didn't have permission from Atari.

I'd go with the manuals, they're the last thing drawn up in the process before release. Programming probably finished in 80, but it took some time to draw up a manual. Again, all guesswork, nothing concrete.

I think it was. Game development moved faster back then. 18 months for a game start to shelves is not unheard of. Apollo did it with Lost Luggage and Guardian. Atari famously gave less time for Pac Man and ET.

You sir, suck, ruining the history.