WAVE 1 GAMES

Yes. They will be numbered. Example, FR-1/25 which will mean Final Run 1 of 25

Wow! I don't know how I missed it! Thank you. I feel silly now

I have a flashback 9 gold, I do not see an SD slot anywhere on the console. I have asked about this before, but never got an answer. Where is it?

I guess I do understand the OPs concern. And it is good that the issue is getting resolved. I just wish he would give the game another chance as out of all of those ST ports that one happens to be one of my favorites. It really is a good game, and until now I hadn't even noticed the oh "F$#k!" to be honest. With that said, fatherhood is really REALLY hard sometimes, and if he has a son who actually takes issue with such a thing, then it seems like hes doing a pretty good job afterall! Kudos to Mart!

But the Game Drive from SainT is something entirely different. It's not a stand alone game it falls into the category of Hardware. It is an extension of the Jaguar hardware and not a single title so you cant really use it as an example. I already knew Another World sold 400 copies, but are you SURE it sold out instantly or are was it more of sales over a 2-3 year course? Also how long ago was that? I'll tell you this much I have owned 3 OFFICIAL copies of Another World since it's release (I sold each one) so it wasn't too hard for me to get my hands on. I'm not being negative at all. I'm just giving you input on where the market is.

It seems you guys are trying to gauge what a new release can sell in terms of units. Hopefully the following data can help you guys grasp the market. Wave 1 Games Sales (2017-2020) Fast Food 64 - 300+ (and still selling) JagZombies - 300+ (and still selling) Frogz 64 - 141 (no longer moving) Fast Food 64 Holiday Snacks - 78 Ants - 56 (still selling slowly) Frogz 64 Xmas - 21 CD/25 cart Saucer Wars - 27 So over the course of 3 years and 7 game releases I have 948+ units sold. I'm not sure if that data helps you guys come to terms with the market or not. If something like Phear or Dactyl Joust were released in their prototype form I would be willing to guess that those games would move 250-300 units. I'm not sure a Quake prototype would even be possible on the Jag. Yes I have seen Doom, AVP, Wolfenstein and the Heretic demo, but I'm still not convinced it can do Quake. But that's a whole other can of worms I don't want to open. There are other factors that go into a Jaguar games release that people seem to be overlooking. Limited runs such as Battle Sphere and Another World are good examples. Nearly everyone agrees that although very nice looking in the graphics department, BSG is a pretty much average game that some people even find boring. The fact that it was shiny and new and produced in a limited quantity may have been what fueld all of the units to be moved. Another World can be purchased right now for PS4 or Nintendo Switch for $10 and it's a BETTER version than the Jaguar version. Again these same factors apply. Anyway the more that time goes on the less people will be interested in Jaguar. The interest isn't going to GROW. Right now there are some FANTASTIC 7800 games available in the AtariAge store and elsewhere. AAA TITLES! But I can guarantee those games aren't producing the same kind of sales as stuff from other consoles just because the interest level in 7800 has to be dwindling down after all of these years. You also have to take into consideration the consoles natural decline in interest. Look at the Jaguar Game Drive from SainT. This is the final stop in the road for some people. They want this just to archive the Jaguar and run the original library of games amd possibly a few homebrews that have been made freely available over the years and thats it! They're done. I even had one user ADMIT this to me in another forum, that he didn't intend on EVER buying anything new for the Jaguar once he got his hands on the Game Drive that it would remain in the console forever. Thats no disrespect at all to SainT or his product. I actually like that dude, (he's a nice guy) and if HE didn't make an SD cart somebody else would have eventually anyway, that was inevitable. Just like the decline of an already niche market. Anyway I'm saying all of this because if you are trying to predict sales numbers of a hypothetical killer game, there are way more factors involved than what some of you seem to think. As to what CJ said earlier when we were going back and forth and I agreed with him, like he confirmed, releasing a game (on cart anyway) can really get expensive as shit! That's no joke. Not just for the raw cartridge materials. The printed materials can be expensive as well. At least when you are doing small runs like a Jaguar release they can. Also add to the fact that the Jaguar user base is WORLDWIDE and spread out among its minority of fans and then you get into what I call shipping HELL. Tarrifs and newly enforced import fees can add to the cost of production. Im not sure how Piko keeps up to be honest. Props to him, I would imagine most of the production funds for his new Jag releases come from his new releases on OTHER consoles. This turned into a ramble. Sorry. Wasn't my intention.... EDIT--- 700 units sold on any new game for the Jaguar is an unrealistic goal/expectation. It doesn't matter what game it is. That's just not going to happen

I never spread lies and false information about your games CJ. I also dont make up stories about people, I'm just not that creative nor dedicated to hatred. I do sometimes complain about your ST ports but thats just a matter of opinion. And im wishy washy about that opinion too and have been clear about that. In fact I have actually been PROMOTING AtariAge 7800 homebrews on JSIII lately. So please stop.

My point is you don't make your own boxes. You don't make your own manuals. You don't solder your own boards (except for those release candidate carts I ASSUME) You dont invest YOUR own money. You just program the games and hand it off to others to handle. You can't really be preaching about something you don't really do. I CAN speak from experience on expenses out of pocket to do a release. Because I pay for it all. And I CAN speak about marketing and advertising. Its all very hard especially when you have groups of people launching their own ANTI-advertising campaign against your products. But none of that matters. I wasn't arguing with you, I agreed with your statement

Agree to disagree

I have no words. I'll just say you're absolutely correct. Hypocrite but correct.

They are identical. No difference.

I'm not trying to be rude, but speaking as a father I am CERTAIN the child has heard swear words before. It's impossible to protect your children from words. Half of the shows on Netflix are littered with worse language than that. Also I could be mistaken, but I thought when I played the llamatron port on Jaguar it actually DIDN'T say the word, but made a sound effect in the middle of the word. Regardless, to say that game is ruined just because of that seems a bit extreme to me. It's a good game. I suggest you reconsider returning it.

How about you give them some time to reply before spamming the wrong subthread with this? Im sure they will address the issue.

When I'm finished with JagZombies II Unholy Night I am going to send you a copy to the land down under AND I'm going to sign it so you will always have something special to remember me by.

Lol. I am. I'm doing just that. I guess you're NOT up to the challenge afterall. Well at least we have MANY more ST ports to look forward to.

Here is a new review for the game. There should be a couple of others up here shortly https://www.retrovideogamer.co.uk/saucer-wars-atari-jaguar-review/

Just stop. Damn either you really miss me or you just like keeping stuff stirred up. Judging from your latest social media posts about your newest PORT I would guess it's the latter. Here's an idea, instead of carrying over Atari ST code in yet another port, why not create a brand new Zombie shooter from the ground up with all of the bells and whistles? Surely you're up to the challenge?

Got 1 of my Christmas presents today! Now I am just waiting on Al to send me Baby Pacman and Bentley Bear's Crystal Quest!!!! Merry Christmas everyone!

I have the Flashback 9, it doesn't have an SD slot either. Not sure what you mean????

Are the load and run addresses $4000 or something else?

You want Black Out? I have it if you do