FPGA Based Videogame System

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

So you're going to take advantage of them to scam your money back because the product didn't have a feature that it never was claimed to have, because you sold a product that did have those features and regret it? You do realize that makes you a dishonest thief, right?

If someone takes advantage of you then you can either take it or take advantage of them back. But for like the 50th time a jailbreak is obviously coming so it doesn't matter.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

I'm just catching up with what has already been said. When you file a claim, yes, the local branch, will stamp a form, and refund you the money. They will then forward what you've told them to their fraud department for an official investigation. That department will look into what the claim was, that's their job. You'll have usually a thirty day window for that. If they find that the product you are whining about is defective, you'll keep the money. When they find out that you filed a claim based on your own wants, and not that the product is misleading, they'll take that money out of your account. Again.

 

Also, if you're in the USA, your complaint is a civil liability, and not a fraudulent product case. Now, I'll drop it. You're raking Analogue and kevtris over the coals, and as long as it's brought up, you're going to be put in your place about it.

*deep sigh* You're not "putting anyone in their place" because it would absolutely go through. The people that investigate the claim are still going to hear a bunch of tech jargon they have no clue about, will see that I'm willing to return the product, maybe google search it real fast, still have no clue wtf I'm talking about, and then refund the payment. Also that entire situation doesn't matter because Analogue isn't hanging us out to dry, and it wouldn't effect Kevtris at all. All you're doing is continuing a pointless tangent for no reason. Have you been put in your place enough or should I go on?

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

Analogue doesn't have to say yes or no to anything about jailbreaking. The console in fact, does not support rom loading. That's a fact. Analogue hasn't ever released anything that supports rom loading, that's a fact. Look at the features advertised, does it say anything about jailbreaking, rom loading? Nope. If you try and explain to your bank that you want a charge back on a product that you intentionally bought, received, and is working exactly the way it was built and advertised to work, you're going to lose that battle. Unless of course, your bank simply doesn't want to actually investigate the charge back claim. Banks do not like to lose money because of a false claim.

Can we drop this already? Banks don't understand tech. The second someone starts talking to them about field programmable gate arrays not performing correctly the mid 40s heavy smoker chick I'm talking to is going to roll her eyes and stamp a paper. It's a bank not a patent office.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

I agree.. I think that is reasonable.. but expecting the NES core and other cores 'just because' is the problem in my opinion. If the jailbreak only offered rom SD loading I'd be ecstatic.

Well the thing is the cores are already written for the nt mini, and whatever code needs to be added to run snes roms already exists because it has built in games so that's already coded for fpga use and on top of that the fpga used in the Super Nt is the same kind as the one used in the nt mini just with more resources. I don't mean to make it sound overly simple to port the cores because I couldn't do it but for the person that wrote them porting them would be as Kevtris himself said in the MLiG stream "easy". Also I really think if the cores didn't happen it would be a company policy and not something decided by Kevtris. If he decided not to do it on his own because he didn't have time or something I'm sure the community would find a way to raise a high enough bounty to motivate him to do so.

 

If the special chip games aren't included in the jb I have no problem hanging onto my sd2snes. Heck if rom support at all isn't added for the snes I wouldn't be that bothered because my sd2snes has me covered. My main concern is that the systems from the nt mini get covered because I'm just not going to buy another mini.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

So essentially you are upset you sold the NT Mini without any confirmation of a jailbreak for the Super NT. I see..

 

I still have my NT Mini for this exact reason...

I'm not going to hold onto a $500 console that can easily be entirely covered by a newer generation that includes an additional system. It simply isn't happening.

 

But no that isn't why it bothers me. It doesn't matter though because I don't think Analogue is a company that would not comment about something to falsely inflate the appeal of a product.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

Sometimes I wonder why Wolf_ is in this thread.

 

Do you even like the Super NT for what it does as is, Wolf_?

Sorry, truth is I have a lot of anger issues I'm poorly working through and the thought that a company would deliberately withhold information about their product to sell more units behind a wall of non-refundability and just leave people with a device perfectly capable of being jailbroken but won't be is just really really frustrating.

 

I obviously don't think that is the move Analogue is planning though and it was a stupid tangent to go down.

 

The thing that bothers me the most is that the Super Nt is legitimately a near perfect experience and if it doesn't get jailbroken that means all the systems the nt mini covered wouldn't be supported. At that point I'd probably just give up and switch to emulation because I sold off my nt mini and I'm not going to buy another one even if by some miracle it got a plastic shell and dropped $250 in price.

 

The Super Nt is really amazing but so much hinges on this one piece of news that hearing all the theories that it isn't going to happen for months has really taken it out of me. If it is like the Nt mini then we'll get confirmation of a jailbreak one week after it was released and the embargo dropped on the 7th so it is pretty telling that the release would fall on Valentines day and it is just a few days away so getting angry about bad theories now when we're probably about to get confirmation was stupid but I really can't believe people would think Analogue's plan for not commenting was to preserve sales with people that would be less happy with their product but pick it up anyways because they didn't know for certain. That's just... terrible.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

My local Meijer sells dry ice.

It's a date then. (Don't tell your significant other)

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

You're rationalizing about it. It's fine though. I was hoping for an excuse to cook Italian soon. Valentine's day is coming and she prefers Mexican.

If you want to make a bet about it I'll take one without a file in it. Actually will that even travel well?

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

You've flat-out admitted that you're lying as to why you're doing the charge-back.

 

You can claim that nobody gets caught... nor will you, etc all you want. My comment still stands that there are a lot of people behind bars who thought the same thing. Most people in prison (regardless of the crime) thought they were not going to get caught. Go ahead and test it out.

 

I'm dead serious too, I make a mean manicotti.

I didn't say no one gets caught. I said at worst they would deny the refund for not meeting their criteria. But the point is irrelevant because a jailbreak is obviously coming.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

Never did I say that you could not get your money back through your bank. I also never debated the legality of it. I stated that if you asked for a refund based on promises Analogue never made then you are a d-bag. I also stated that if you bought it thinking they were responsible for promises they never made then you are a fool and an idiot. I'm sure if you fraudulently make claims to your bank and prove you sent the product back to Analogue then your bank will give you your money back. I'm not fool enough to claim you'll goto jail or actually get in trouble. This is the real world and dirtbag consumers and manufacturers get away with dirtbag stuff all of the time. Doesn't make them not dirtbags when they get away with it though.

 

The mindset you have is the reason there is a no return policy. Analogue knew they'd need to deal with horrible unscrupulous consumers so they implemented a "no return policy" to hopefully minimize the issue.

People have nothing to gain by returning their consoles as long as Analogue isn't deliberately keeping people in the dark about massively important features that are not coming.

 

They are not doing that, but if they were it would only be fair to fight fire with fire. But as they are not, lets move on.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

Analogue cannot promise something they don't intend to work on themselves. They cannot make promises for what Kevtris will do with his personal time. They also cannot state that their system can do more than it can do in it's shipped state. It is accurate that the unit will if JB'ed be able to do all of the things we hope Kevtris will implement but it cannot be guaranteed he will do it.

 

There is a no return policy precisely to deal with dirt bag consumers who are using similar logic to your own and expect more than what has been advertised and promised. If you bought it with the hope of cores and JB then that is on you, not on Analogue or Kevtris. Just because he can do it doesn't mean he must or that he will.

 

Maybe someone besides Kevtris will tackle it, who knows? But putting that on Analogues shoulders as their responsibility to deliver or promise to you and refund you based on that is not fair.

Put money on it or move along. I'm tired of explaining how wrong you are. Say $180? That way if I'm wrong I can pay you with the money I get from my refund.

 

 

Nowhere did I say "everyone that did...". I simply stated that there are dozens of people sitting in prison, guilty of friendly fraud who thought they were smarter than the system... who thought they would never get prosecuted. I also stated that if you really want to test the system out like that, go ahead. I'll send you a manicotti with a file in it.

No one is. If you file a claim for a single $180 that shouldn't get approved but are completely honest about why you want to return the device and the bank doesn't understand what is going on and approves it anyways then you haven't done anything illegal. And people dispute charges that shouldn't get approved all the time and at worst it gets rejected. No one gets prosecuted for jail time because they refute a single $180 charge.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

Wrong, they advertise only what their system can do and if you buy it with other ideas in mind and then try to return it based on the fact it doesn't do what your speculation and wishes hoped for then you are the D-Bag, and an idiot.

 

There is nothing "obvious" about JB or cores coming. It is speculation regardless of opinion since no-one has confirmed anything. Wishful thinking is what that is. If you return based upon your wishful thinking being let down then you are a d-bag and a fool.

 

I for one, don't expect anything beyond the published capabilities of the system which is to run what a SNES can run and no more. They've not promised JB, Kevtris has not promised JB or Cores or anything at all beyond the published specs.

Wrong. Letting people buy something because you don't want to tell them the truth about your product and then saying "No givsies backsies!" is a total d-bag move.

 

But a jb is coming so lets stop talking about how obviously horribly bad it would be if they tried their current sales strategy and didn't come through. And I'm also not going to debate you about the extremely dumb logic that "it's okay not to tell people about leaving a feature out to temporarily sell more units" but if you're salty about it I'd be happy to put money on it to end this conversation.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

If you try to return this system because it does not have a jailbreak, cores and cannot run roms from the SD card then you are a D-Bag.

If Analogue didn't want to say "no" and let people buy a "non returnable" item and find out for themselves that makes them the d-bags.

 

Luckily they are not and a jb is obviously coming.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

By all means, give it a try and find out. The guys sitting in prison all thought "they're not going to prosecute me...."

You're retarded if you think everyone that filed a claim that got rejected on a $180 charge is sitting in prison with a 15 year sentence.

 

Edit: Now people that lied about shipping charges and used the extra cost in some kind of slush fund... those guys get in some trouble. Usually fines though.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

Buddy, if you think you're smarter than the system and want to risk 15 years in prison, go right ahead. There are dozens of people sitting in prison right now who thought they were smarter than the system.

That's literally never going to happen. At the absolute worst after wasting hours of both mine and Analogue's time (totaling a higher cost to them than just accepting the return in the first place) the bank would deny my return. It isn't fraud if I'm telling them exactly what it won't do and they rule in my favor, which they will because even if Analogue has a point about not confirming rom playback they would still be bastards for saying nothing and leaving it up to people to invest in a "non refundable" item to find out for themselves. Also I doubt they want anyone poking around their finances lest the banks find out what shipping the consoles actually cost and where the majority of that $40 shipping charge went.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

My company does it on a weekly basis to dispute fraudulent chargebacks. Fraud departments do more research than you would think, and Analogue has all of the necessary evidence to reverse your chargeback. The more concerning aspect here is that you are admitting to willingly committing fraud against both your bank and Analogue.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, that would be up to you. They can prove that it works as advertised. But if you want to risk fraud, which can lead up to 15 years in prison, go ahead.

I can easily enough show that it won't work with roms. If Analogue doesn't release a jailbreak and wants to say "we never confirmed that it would" my bank isn't going to understand what roms are. Every year I spend my tax return and every year my card gets shut off for fraudulent charges because it is "atypical spending habits" and every time I buy a firearm something goes wrong with the transaction because they don't agree with the second amendment. Anger me and I shall unleash the full force of their incompetence upon you. Trust me by the time they finish dealing with the "top experts" my bank employs to waste people's time they will be begging to just take the console back.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

It works exactly as advertised. Analogue has never stated it would support ROMs. The exact reason Analogue/Kevtris refuse to comment on whether custom firmware is coming is precisely to prevent this legal mess. If they state it will run ROMs and custom cores prior to your purchase, then that fails to come to fruition, you are entitled to a refund by consumer protection laws. However, your unsubstantiated speculative 'expectations' does NOT match the advertised specifications of the system.

Good luck explaining that to my bank.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

 

You are giving far too much credit to the average person here. Most people who bought the Retron 5 I would say would feel quite intimidated by downloading and actually installing a jailbreak software to their Super NT.

It is no more complicated than putting roms on an sd card for the retron 5.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

Yes it is... He would need to jailbreak the system so there is work done for that and then allow use of his Super NES core to run the roms. The NT Mini could not run roms from SD card without the jailbreak and loading a separate NES Core to do it.

It might not be. He could be paid based on a percentage of sales or for his time, we don't know these things and you can't assume he isn't being paid for his work without evidence.

 

 

That definitely would not fly. It was not advertised to work with roms. The onus would be on you to prove otherwise. The company would likely swap to prove the unit was not defective and when they show that it was not, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Good luck explaining that to my bank.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

LinusTechTips level of popular is not store shelves popular, not SNES Mini mainstream popular. It is still niche and not yet mainstream. I don't think an Analogue product will ever go full main stream.

It is at a pricepoint that competes with the retron5 which has sold tens of thousands of units and sucks horribly. If it has a jailbreak and gets 2m views on an incredibly positive review it is off to the races. Although Analogue has really shot themselves in the foot by letting all these reviews come out before confirming a jailbreak because that would sell so many more and now what is probably the most popular review it is going to get is going live this week (already recorded) and it won't have any mention of the biggest selling feature the non-niche crowd is going to care about.

 

If it destroys the retron5 market it will be mainstream. If Analogue ships any to resellers/third parties or not for stores to stock is anyone's guess.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

I'm not sure how minority you really are. I for one will likely buy anything and everything that they build from here on out especially if Kevtris is involved in any way. As long as their focus remains in the direction it has been going to accurately recreate with FPGA technology near perfect hardware emulation of retro systems. Even if I already have a solution to play such games I'd buy it.

 

I've been meaning to buy an AVS too but I have an NT Mini and Hi-Def NES systems already and am running out of room ..

 

I think you kind of need to be into this sort of thing fairly deeply to even know about the existence of Super NT and NT Mini consoles. We will likely never see them on store shelves or even on AMAZON after all.

LinusTechTips is doing a video about it. Their less popular vids usually get around 300k-400k views and their more popular vids can break 2 million. At its current price point if it has a jailbreak it will sell extremely well.

 

 

Filling an affidavit at your bank is for charges you actually did not approve. If a company says "no returns" and you complete your purchase anyway, you're agreeing to those terms. If you file a charge-back afterwards, claiming you did not approve the charge, you can get in trouble for fraud.

I'd be returning it because it doesn't perform as expected. It said it would work with every game but I've noticed that it doesn't with certain games (roms). If they want to debate my bank on that they can feel free but good luck explaining it to them.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

How many people have purchased these (un-returnable) consoles under the assumption they will be able to be jailbroken at some point? If they just came out and said it wasn't going to happen a lot of people would not buy one.

I'm sure it can be returned. Even if the company makes a policy of not accepting returns then you can still just go directly to your bank and contest the charges. Rest assured one way or another if that was their strategy people would be furious and they would get their money back. It would be completely not worth the damage it would do to Analogue's reputation for that to be their business strategy.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

So a 1.2tb SD card... I'm sure Kevtris can have that ready for us by next week.

Well 1tb sd cards are already a thing. By the time a ps1 fpga is ready with any luck 2tb sd card will be affordable and that should fit all the supported cores on it.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

You're all neglecting the One True Reason that Analogue/Kevtris are silent on the custom firmware: krikzz paid them off to boost sd2snes sales. Jokes aside, I got tired of waiting so I just preordered a black Super Nt and pink sd2snes. Next month will be fun!

 

As for the current topic, it is a bit naïve to assume a non-answer means a positive answer. In fact it is dangerous to assume that, as you are misleading potential consumers who may buy the console on the premise of "that Wolf_ guy said there would be custom firmware!!". A non-answer is exactly that: a non-answer. It could be yes, it could be no. You cannot "logic" a positive answer no matter how hard you try.

As long as we make the assumption that Analogue's master plan isn't the absolutely retarded: "We'll keep everyone in the dark so that the lack of a jailbreak won't hurt our sales" plan then what they are actually doing becomes very clear. Some people seem determined not to see obvious evidence though.

 

 

Don't be pissed if you don't get a Porsche after ordering a VW I guess.

No. That's like asking what engine is in a Porsche and being told "no comment" so you order a Porsche but it might come with a vw engine inside because it hasn't been confirmed. Obviously only a total jackass would ship the latter product.

 

 

As awesome as that would be, I can't imagine how much space would be needed on a SD card for jailbreaking...

795gb for every US game, an additional 124gb if you want the Pal exclusives that never got an American release, and an additional 316gb if you want the Japanese exclusives that were never released in US or Pal regions. So 1.2tb not counting hacks, translations, and homebrew.

[FPGA Based Videogame System]

A future Genesis Core was always going to be saved for a standalone console. There is enough demand to justify it. We won't get cores of consoles where a standalone $200+ console makes sense.

 

 

I disagree. The standalone console would still have genesis cart and controller ports and while it might have a built in 32x it is too early for sega cd and sega mega cdx support so the dedicated console could still offer a expansion port. I know I wouldn't get a hdmi genesis if I would still need my regular genesis around to play some of my games for it.

 

So it would be pretty awesome to get a standalone Genesis that was fully featured and there would still be a reason to upgrade for those that want a better experience and allowing the core for the snes on the genesis and vice versa makes each of them more appealing on their own and people that would never spend $400 on a genesis and snes would be far more tempted to pick them up for $200 and after getting a taste they might buy both for the added features or they might just really love what they've got and tell people how awesome it is and boost sales that way.

 

I'm not saying that will happen but it shouldn't be ruled out because I know I would love a Genesis core but I would also still buy the standalone if it could interface with the sega cd.

 

 

If someone assumes there is a jailbreak and spends $220 to get a console and it never gets released and they are left to figure it out on their own, it's their own goddam fault as they clearly didn't know what they bought when they did.

If Analogue wanted to deal with everyone's unfounded frustration, they would jump into this discussion I am sure.

Yea, that is a wonderful way to treat customers. Not retarded at all. Certainly won't leave anyone upset in ways that could have easily been avoided without making Analogue hated. Totally viable business strategy 10/10 EA approved.