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  1. Although SpiceWare probably won't see this, I do have a few things to say. First he resurrected an old thread in the very rude and disrespectful way to throw mud knowing full well it would start some form of flamewar. Instead of coming to me directly about him thinking The Shaman was a hack, he posted it is a rude way. I would have looked into it as would have Greg. I can only wonder the hours if not days he put in being Sherlock Holmes to show what a hero he is so he can gain the adoration of his crew and his followers(groupies). So instead of coming to me like a man, he took the mangina route. Lets get real here. He programs games for Atari Age and sadly like some Atari Age formites, he has a hate on for anything not released by Atari Age, especially if Hozer has anything to do with the release. So he rattles the cage and then like a coward puts me on his ignore list because what I have to say bothers him. Yes, I think is the type of guy to talk crap about others behind their back to look good to his fellow friends/associates/coworkers or to be the white knight for whatever damsel in distress he is trying to save. All of this is my humble opinion. So how many hours did he put in to his amazing Sherlock Holmes level discovery? And what was his motivation? The way KevinMos3 presents his argument is a much more mature way of presenting the facts. So thank you for taking the high road, not the low road. As for RevEng, I did feel he was being a bit preachy. But sorry there is no cover up. Spiceware came in full guns blazing publicly and then wonders why Greg doesn't does want to deal with more AA Forum Hate. And then I come in trying to explain my position and what I have been told, and back and forth and back and forth we go. As for Mr. SQL. Thanks for your posts. You made some excellent posts and referred to relevant past threads and disrespectful behavior. In the end of the day, all of the flamers(haters) and their groupies would never buy anything that is not published by Atari Age. I have seen it time and time again. And they would spit on anything Hozer even touched. This hate or Hozer Hate as I call it has been going on since 2004 if not earlier. Most Atari Age releases are praised, whereas most non Atari Age releases are either completely ignored or bashed. The Hozer 1MB working board with working test software had it been released by Atari Age would have the Hozer Haters in awe as they bowed to it through out the internet roadways and highways of Atari Age Forums and elsewhere. But because it was designed by Randy and it is a Hozer board, it was pretty much ignored on these forums. So hate The Shaman, love the The Shaman, buy The Shaman, don't buy The Shaman. This is entirely your choice. It is being sold online and at Video Game Conventions as a game, not as a homebrew, not as a hack. And for the haters, their followers, their groupies, please don't buy anything I or Greg have had anything to do with. You'll be able to avoid my games easily, but as for Greg's ah, well good luck as some of his work might very well be in your backward.
  2. And like I said, I have no problem mentioning the original game in a new hack of an existing game within the rom name.
  3. So what do you see when you compare code? http://i.imgur.com/cGvn7gx.gifv
  4. This title was in reference to the website: http://www.atari2600homebrew.com/
  5. I emailed Greg the link to this thread and this is what he had to say: Greg Aug 2015: I had not even heard of the Assault variant, but when I researched it, as the trolls should have, they would know: "Assault is a Bomb title, a clone, indicative of the lack of talent, passion and imagination that Bomb possessed. As if we weren't tired of Galaxian knock-offs by 1984 already, Bomb served us a clone with worse graphics and gameplay than the game it obviously ripped off. A mother ship flies across the screen. pumping out three alien ships that you must destroy. The object is to shoot and destroy them while dodging the enemy fire. That's it! With drab visuals, repetitive and boring gameplay, and not a hint of originality whatsoever, Assault is a game best left for collectors to seek out. In addition, in 1985 Centuri sued Bomb for Copyright violation as its code is taken from Phoenix. They lost the case however because the game's developer is unknown, according to Centuri's Joel Hochberg, the game was licensed from "a smaller Japanese developer." The code for Phoenix it turned out was itself taken from the Taito version of Space Invaders, released in 1980." [Looks like a whole lot of plagiarism going on all the way down to poor old Space Invaders]
  6. From an old email Greg emailed me in 2014 that I searched out: Greg 2014: ...This is my HB version, but it is far from original. Here it is again. Keep in mind, it's still Balthazar, coded from B5, code borrowed from Fire Birds based upon code from Cosmic / Free Fire / Invasion der UFO'S / Monster aus dem All / Orbit-Base / Scorpion, which all borrowed code from Demon Attack which borrowed code from Phoenix... I emailed Greg the link to this thread and this is what he had to say: Greg Aug 2015: I had not even heard of the Assault variant, but when I researched it, as the trolls should have, they would know: "Assault is a Bomb title, a clone, indicative of the lack of talent, passion and imagination that Bomb possessed. As if we weren't tired of Galaxian knock-offs by 1984 already, Bomb served us a clone with worse graphics and gameplay than the game it obviously ripped off. A mother ship flies across the screen. pumping out three alien ships that you must destroy. The object is to shoot and destroy them while dodging the enemy fire. That's it! With drab visuals, repetitive and boring gameplay, and not a hint of originality whatsoever, Assault is a game best left for collectors to seek out. In addition, in 1985 Centuri sued Bomb for Copyright violation as its code is taken from Phoenix. They lost the case however because the game's developer is unknown, according to Centuri's Joel Hochberg, the game was licensed from "a smaller Japanese developer." The code for Phoenix it turned out was itself taken from the Taito version of Space Invaders, released in 1980." [Looks like a whole lot of plagiarism going on all the way down to poor old Space Invaders] This is another reason I don't like the code to these games being given away. It is just what the trolls feed on. So what game or who gets included in the rom name? You see this is very convoluted and would a very long Rom name. If atari2600homebrews.com wants add credits for the game in the rom name and move The Shaman to the hacks section of the site, then feel free to. But be prepared for a very long rom name: The_Shaman_qtm_2014_(Greg Zumwalt)(hack of ____ a hack of ____ a hack of _____ a hack of_____ which is originally Space Invaders by Taito plus a bunch of other stuff like Baltazart's, coded from B5, code borrowed from Fire Birds based upon code from Cosmic / Free Fire / Invasion der UFO'S / Monster aus dem All / Orbit-Base / Scorpion, which all borrowed code from Demon Attack which borrowed code from Phoenix. Inspired by yadadadadadadadadada and so on).bin So is a game that uses a bunch of other games code and uses games that are hacks of hack of hacks of hacks(if that is the case) still a hack or a homebrew? Buy the game, don't buy the game, download the rom, don't download the rom, etc.
  7. Jump on the bandwagon much? Listen, just avoid our games like the plague. Greg's will be harder to avoid as he has worked on many Atari 2600 titles credited and uncredited, so good luck with that.
  8. Like I wrote previously, I have no issue adding the original game title in the rom name if it is indeed a hack of another game. This thread has turned into a flamewar, which is really not the point of these forums. This thread should be locked as it has gone to #hit.
  9. Pathetic is you resurrecting a thread long dead to throw mud to show what a hero you are. I would not be surprised if you slam other guys in your real life social circles to look like the hero to the various damsels in distress you try to save. I don;t know you, but really by your posts you seem the type. I hope I am wrong. Pathetic is not reading all the the posts in this thread and not reading the threads mentioned. Also you did not research the game that your are comparing The Shaman to. Pathetic is not messaging me first so that I could look into this, but instead to create a post in a rude way to slam Greg and the game. Like I wrote in a previous post, if the game is indeed a hack, then I have no problem adding the game's name to the bin file name. Dude, you could have easily pmed me and let me know. And like I said, the game is simply sold as a game and not as a hack or homebrew. So enlighten me, why would you spend all your time on downloading The Shaman and comparing files? Don't you have any games you are working on?
  10. Well, you should never buy any of Gray Games releases where ever they are found. And to be safe, only buy video games with SpiceWare's stamp of approval and that he has personally tested the code using faulty techniques and software to make sure that it is not a hack of any game out there real or imagined. And to see how absolutely horrible Gray Games releases are, please watch the following video: So again, please don't buy any of our games.
  11. @RevEng @SpiceWare @SpiceWare: All who have done a hack of a game are plagiarists...but woe is me. My heart is broken. Alas, what shall I do with you ignoring me. The sun has set eternally in my life and now I live in the shadow as Nosferatu. The sun shall never rise again and I am doomed to the eternal shadow as undeath as my only companion.
  12. Again, when The Shaman is sold online and in person(at shows, etc.) is is not sold as a homebrew or a hack, but as a video game cart for the Atari 2600. Yes, if it is a hack, then yes I agree that the original game should be mentioned or the author(as I do for any Gray Games videogames that are based on other peoples work and releases). Greg's text up above was incomplete and I would say the missing text would be [is not] and based on the rest of the paragraph he wrote, he is clearly saying it is not an original piece of work. "It is [missing text] homebrew, but it is based on existing code and games with my own contributions. As you know, it was an attempt to recreate, NOT to come up with something new. So... As I said, it is not original at all in concept. I just ran a comparison between the two roms and they have a total of 3 lines of code the same." From an old email Greg emailed me in 2014 that I searched out: Greg 2014: ...This is my HB version, but it is far from original. Here it is again. Keep in mind, it's still Balthazar, coded from B5, code borrowed from Fire Birds based upon code from Cosmic / Free Fire / Invasion der UFO'S / Monster aus dem All / Orbit-Base / Scorpion, which all borrowed code from Demon Attack which borrowed code from Phoenix... I emailed Greg the link to this thread and this is what he had to say: Greg Aug 2015: I had not even heard of the Assault variant, but when I researched it, as the trolls should have, they would know: "Assault is a Bomb title, a clone, indicative of the lack of talent, passion and imagination that Bomb possessed. As if we weren't tired of Galaxian knock-offs by 1984 already, Bomb served us a clone with worse graphics and gameplay than the game it obviously ripped off. A mother ship flies across the screen. pumping out three alien ships that you must destroy. The object is to shoot and destroy them while dodging the enemy fire. That's it! With drab visuals, repetitive and boring gameplay, and not a hint of originality whatsoever, Assault is a game best left for collectors to seek out. In addition, in 1985 Centuri sued Bomb for Copyright violation as its code is taken from Phoenix. They lost the case however because the game's developer is unknown, according to Centuri's Joel Hochberg, the game was licensed from "a smaller Japanese developer." The code for Phoenix it turned out was itself taken from the Taito version of Space Invaders, released in 1980." This is another reason I don't like the code to these games being given away. It is just what the trolls feed on. So what game or who gets included in the rom name? You see this is very convoluted and would a very long Rom name. If atari2600homebrews.com wants add credits for the game in the rom name and move The Shaman to the hacks section of the site, then feel free to. But be prepared for a very long rom name: The_Shaman_qtm_2014_(Greg Zumwalt)(hack of ____ a hack of ____ a hack of _____ a hack of_____ which is originally Space Invaders by Taito plus a bunch of other stuff like Baltazart's, coded from B5, code borrowed from Fire Birds based upon code from Cosmic / Free Fire / Invasion der UFO'S / Monster aus dem All / Orbit-Base / Scorpion, which all borrowed code from Demon Attack which borrowed code from Phoenix. Inspired by yadadadadadadadadada and so on).bin So is a game that uses a bunch of other games code and uses games that are hacks of hack of hacks of hacks(if that is the case) still a hack or a homebrew? So this really is all I have to say in the matter. Buy the game, don't buy the game, download the rom, don't download the rom, etc.
  13. So without quoting, I will attempt to respond. The Shaman was never sold as a homebrew or a hack, but as a game with a cool label(with a long story behind it) and a storyline. So if someone wanted to buy it online or at a show, then they could do so. Greg's email to me was missing text, so here is the quote from what I have in my email. "It is [missing text] homebrew, but it is based on existing code and games with my own contributions. As you know, it was an attempt to recreate, NOT to come up with something new. So... As I said, it is not original at all in concept. I just ran a comparison between the two roms and they have a total of 3 lines of code the same." I took this to mean that it was a homebrew when I posted way back a year and a half ago, but reading the text again, some words didn't make it into the email(I have done the same thing while typing). So is the missing text [a] or [not a]? And if you look in the body of the email, the paragraph reads that the game is based on existing code and games with his own contributions and so on and so on. So it is my mistake that I said it was a homebrew based on an incomplete email and quickly reading and posting. But as I said, the game was never sold as a hack or a homebrew, but as a game. The idea that anyone can do a graphical hack that is enjoyable, well that is an assumption. That is like saying anyone can paint a picture on canvas that is enjoyble to the viewers. Back when I was in university, there have been discussions on published poetry that some students would say, well that is simple, anyone can write that. My prof at the time would respond, "Well then, why didn't you?" So anyone can be a critic and like the old saying that opinions are like a##sholes and that everyone has one, rings very true. If you dislike the game, well then don't play it on emulation and don't buy it. The Red Wheelbarrow William Carlos Williams, 1883 - 1963 so much dependsupona red wheelbarrowglazed with rainwaterbeside the whitechickens. Oh but of course, anyone can write that. Right? Just like anyone can do a hack, get it published and mentioned in a video game magazine(s). But anyone can do that, right? And if you could have made The Shaman, well then why didn't you? For Mr SQL: As for your comments, thanks. Not surprising the same posters being involved, RevEng(Reverend English) and others. Some of the Reverend's posts seem fanatical in the link you provided. Yes, back in the 80's would have been way different. There is always a lot of hatred for anything not published by Atari Age, especially if Hozer manufactures the carts. It is nothing new, sadly. I don't blame Atari Age at all for this behaviour, but the haters and the fanatics. -endline And people wonder why I rarely post anything here anymore. Either it is ignored(as it is not an Atari Age release) such as the 1MB Board that does work! or torn apart(anything to do with Hozer). And like I have said and have been saying, if you like the game buy it. If you hate the game, don't buy it.
  14. Looks like this post was resurrected from the dead, from Feb. 3rd, 2015 all the way to August 23rd, 2016. Man, if I resurrected a post from that far back, I would have been crucified, flame broiled, or outright banned. So, I am wondering what your motivation is to research and compare roms and resurrect a post in such a way out of the blue? So let's first get this out of the way. The code as Greg mentioned "...it is based on existing code and games with my own contributions. As you know, it was an attempt to recreate, NOT to come up with something new. So... As I said, it is not original at all in concept..." Nowhere on the Good Deal Game site nor at shows is this release being touted as a homebrew or a hack. It is sold with a small manual, so if someone wants to buy the cart then they can buy the cart. If they don't then they don't. I highly doubt an obscure thread would have been seen by anyone before they bought the game, and even if it was, well I doubt the homebrew vs. hack argument would truly matter. As for the similarities, Greg will have to comment on that and the methodology you used to compare both roms. I'll let him know. I assumed it was pretty much a homebrew based on his email to me. But if indeed, it is a hack, then I apologize. As for RevEng comments. Speaking for myself, I could never possibly be able to live my life with such high standards such as yourself. Alas, I am a rake and an unforgivable one at that May William Shakespeare shoot me in the heart with a silver arrow so that I may find peace in death and forgiveness with god. Only Superman(if he were real), Mother Theresa, and Jesus Christ could possibly live up to your standards . Now seriously, way to jump on the bandwagon. You'd make a good Fire and Brimestone Preacher from the 1800's.
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