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9 hours ago, Mclaneinc said:Welcome back David, sorry that you got ripped off by the insurance people but its second nature to them. Photo's of stuff is quite normal these days as are the usual receipt rules even though if you get washed out then its very unlikely a receipt will get through that. Won't be long before they refuse the photo's as well.
As they say, the only way is up, glad to see you and welcome back to new and improved AA
Thank you Paul. It's nice to be back.
David
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8 hours ago, BillC said:The difference is the pinout, at the time the 850 was introduced in 1979 the official connector was the DB25. Atari eliminated un-needed pins and used the DE9 connector instead, with special cables to connect to standard DCE/DTE devices.
When IBM introduced their PC/AT computer in 1984 they also used the DE9 connector, but with a different gender/pinout, which has since become the commonly used RS232 DTE connection.
Atari's RS232C pinouts:
1. Data Terminal Ready (DTR) out
2. Carrier Detect (CD or CRX) in
3. Send Data (TD) out
4. Receive Data (RD) in
5. Ground
6. Data Set Ready (DSR) in
7. Request To Send (RTS) out
8. Clear To Send (CTS) in
9. As far as I know this pin was not used, except for Port 4 where it was a constant negative voltage.
Someone want to post the pinouts for the industry standard RS232 port?
David
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8 hours ago, toddtmw said:Would you care to share the models with the rest of the community?
Sure. But I don't have an app to display them in a 3D view.
David
Keyboard plunger_v3.igs Keyboard plunger_v3.stp Keyboard plunger_v3.X_T
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On 6/12/2019 at 9:34 AM, Justin Payne said:I struggled as well but my first problem was not having the correct serial cable but it seems you are using a official Atari serial cable so that's one problem down. 9600 might be too fast. Try dropping it down to a more reasonable 2400 baud. I can look at my settings when I get home tonight to compare them to your settings.
I've always been curious what is the difference between an Atari serial cable and a standard RS232 cable?
David
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Seems like I remember a word we Atarians learned a long time ago...
Vapor ware?
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Just wanted to say hello to everyone and let everyone know that I'm back. Even though we only got about a half inch of water in the house
it started a nightmare! For two months we walked around on a bare concrete floor with the lower two feet of all the sheetrock walls cut
out. You could literally stand at the front door and bend over and see who was in the bathroom in the back of the house! The insurance
company did us right on the structure but they don't recognize antiques (if something is over 4 years old it is worthless). We have a table from
the 1850's that has porcelain rollers and they gave us 0.0 dollars because it's over 4 years old. Anything you list over 100 dollars has to be
accompanied by a photo or you'll get nothing! Make a long story short, we'll get about 5 cents on the dollar for our lost possessions.
I've been away for so long, I've got a lot of catch up reading to do. I see the sight has changed a bit too! Well, it's nice to be back!
I hope every one else is well!
DavidMil
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I've sent off a couple of 800 Hi-Tek plungers to a 3D scanning company and I now have good stp and jgs files that I will be using
when I get a 3D printer in a few months to try and start making new plungers.
David
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My wife is doing well after her back problems and just when we finished paying off the doctor/hospital bills along comes a flood!
We were lucky compared to all our neighbors who got between 8 and 12 inches of water (we only got about an inch in the
house, and never lost electricity). Problem is our entire home except baths and kitchen is carpeted (about 1800 sq. feet).
So the carpet is all siting on the curb along with the baseboards and some of the furniture. One table with my wives' PC on
it broke and I've got to dry it our before I can check it out. The adjuster will be here tomorrow and we will see what happens
next. Anyway, long story short, we are safe and well and have flood insurance. I'll be back as I can.
DavidMil
PS. Several people have asked me why I don't have an avatar, Well I have on now and I'll post it as soon as I can.
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I bought a 1000 sheet box from Amazon a couple of weeks ago.
Sparco Brand Computer Paper. 9.5" (to allow for the paper feeds) x 11"
#02184
Very fine quality perforations.
DavidMil
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It seems to be generally pretty well accepted that the code in the 850 ROM has no capability to individually address each data line, similar to how there is no way to print a $9B (Decimal 155) byte, as there was no way to escape it in the firmware.
However, with exploitation of the undocumented "test and execute" command in the source code as warerat has done with his utility to download the firmware from the 850, I think this should be possible by using custom uploaded code to directly manipulate the PIA parallel port lines.
Rewriting the ROM wouldn't be possible for most Atari users, and besides, I wanted to test the 850's as the were so any problems
in the hardware could be corrected. I've made a test board to turn on an LED for each line if it goes high and different colored LED's
for the four control lines. I guess I'll have too live with that. Next I'll make a smaller SMD board. Here's a picture of what I have...
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Very nice. I wish I had seen this six months ago when I tried to change mine out. I bent something in there and now nothing works.
I put it back in the attic in disgust. With this info, maybe I'll get it out and try again.
Thank you,
DavidMil
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Not that this isn't an interesting topic, (it is), i was just wondering if there was another reason why David is interested in this?
For about a year I've been trying to find a way to individually address the eight data lines of the printer port on the
850. Even thought a lot of people have said it's not possible, I keep looking. I came across this program in my
searches. I thought it was an interesting little program. That's all.
DavidMil
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Here is a little Basic program to look at the printer output of you Atari and the 850 printer
port. This works on my RX80 and I'm wondering if it works with other Epson printers too.
Hold down the FF button while you turn the printer on. Then run this little Basic program.
If it works correctly you should get a Hex printout starting at 00 and ending at FF. You may
have to take your printer offline for it to print the last line. Holding down the FF at power
up, puts the printer in Hex dump mode. In this mode the printer will print all the data that
it receives in Hexadecimal regardless of what is sent to it. Not really of much value, but
kind of interesting.
10 FOR N=0 TO 255
20 LPRINT CHR$(N);
30 NEXT N
40 END
Anyone with an Epson printer, let me know if this works. You're also welcome to try it
on other printers too. You'll have to look in your user manual to see if your printer has
a hex dump mode.
DM
DavidMil
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That's so cool, very much appreciated! I remember reading previous threads about the test mode and thinking something like this might be possible.
Maybe printing some kind of checksum or hash (ZIP compatible CRC32?) on screen as part of the program might be helpful to help people running it determine if they have a ROM with a known dump, or something new, without having to then transfer the file to the PC or have others on AA to check the file?
I ask because I'm tempted to start a new thread with a title specifically as a campaign for all 850 owners to run it to check if we can find the additional versions suspected to exist. (at least 2)
I'm also in favor of starting a new, "Calling all 850's" type thread. I ran the program on all three of my 850's and all of them are 2CF990B9.
Attached is a pic of one of my 850 result screens. One comment about warerat's wonderful program; If you have more than one 850 you'll
want to rename the file after each save or it will overwrite the results of each previous save with the info of subsequent saves. Other than
that; this is a really great utility! Hats off to warerat!
DavidMil
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Any program that has a File Explorer type feature for ATR files can do this. In Altirra, for example, open the disk drives menu with the ALT+D key combo. From there, click the little arrow-looking symbol and select Explore Disk from that menu. You can add or delete any file into the ATR that will fit. There is similar functionality in RespeQt, ATR Tools and others.
Thank you DrVenkman. Downloaded and ran Altirra 3.1 and it worked beautifully!
DavidMil
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Someone said that you can load XEX files into an ATR image, but didn't give clear (for beginners) step by step
instructions. Can someone point me to a thread that does this? Or has the instructions.
Thanks,
DavidMil
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Any idea what the version level is on the ROM Chip?
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There is no mention of a power supply or SIO cable. Nor has it apparently been tested in any way.
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I have several shoe boxes full of floppies.
DavidMil
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The problem is the stepper motor! I pulled the transport out and plugged it into one of a good 1050. As soon as I turned on
the drive the stepper motor started vibrating back and fourth maybe a mm and everything started getting hot! I guess the motor
started dying when I first discovered the problem and has now died totally.
Anybody know where I can get a MSAF200A91 Sanyo Part # 4Z26 12V DC stepper motor?
David
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This might be a good candidate for flashjazzcat's easy video upgrade if you still have your 800 pulled apart. It definitely help with
my 800 'bleeding' character problem.
DavidMil
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More likely you have the jack installed backwards.
Or somebody else did and that is what pooched the
U2/3 chips.When you say 'jack', are you referring to J15? Remember that this drive worked ( well, mostly worked)
for awhile when I first tried to use it. Then I could smell the burning and it's been dead ever since. I don't
think that removing the EPROM and putting a ROM in there for a few seconds before I remembered the
jumpers that needed to be changed would cause this problem. With either chip in the drive it started
heating up. When I get the replacements for U2 & U3, I'm going to try turning it on with J15 disconnected.
(That's after I ohm out the stepper motor).
David
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I was wondering, what do you guys use for a multimeter?
Are logic probes still used all that much in troubleshooting & bench operations?
I have an old MeTex multimeter from about 1992 and my 'O' scope is a 40 MHz Kikusui that is about 10 years older
than that. I have a logic probe but I've found that the scope is much more reliable and flexible.
DavidMil

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Thank you! I was a bit surprised at the changes to AA. They have been saying that changes were coming for a while, I'm glad to see the upgrade.
Now all I have to do is figure it all out again!
David