Rhindle The Red

quote: Originally posted by atari70s: ill be more than happy to scan my copy of the limited to 99 cart I already sent them mine (#42). It can be seen here:Cart #42 What number do you have?

What seems clear to me is that a lot of people don't consider Hozer releases to be 'real' releases. The fact that he puts anything on a cartridge seems to diminish them in some poeple's eyes. The lack of certain things (a box, for instance) only increases the sense of getting less when buying from Hozer. I think the people who want one of the 20 copies want them because they come from the guy who created it. In their minds a copy from Hozer is no more real than a copy of Chase the Chuckwagon from Hozer. The only real copy is the one that came from the creator and that's why they want it. I could be wrong, of course, but that's what seems to be the case to me.

Where did you see this offer? I can't find it on the Telegames site. (And is that telegames.com or telegames.co.uk?)

Does anyone know the differences between the Dreamcast and PC versions? Is there anything the DC version doesn't have? I really only want to buy one copy and I usually prefer a console edition (of course I'll ignore the PSX version as I always do). But if there's enough extra stuff on the PC version I'll get that. (And the DC one later when it's clearanced like all the other DC titles. )

Here's an area that's full of potential and could just drive you crazy: Brazilian bootlegs. There's gotta be thousands of them. The key manufacturers (from what I've gathered) seem to be: Dactar, Tron, Microsoft (not Bill's), Digitel and CCE, but there are countless others. Not to mention the authorized Polyvox cartridges that encompass both Atari and Activision titles. The coolest boots are the many, many multi-carts - most from Dactar. This is an area I'm trying to get into (if only the ones I won on eBay would arrive!)

Hate to say this, but I looked at your mock-up and you seem to be doing the wrong box style. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dutchman says on his site that he wanted the box and label to look like Water World, which has a different style than the one you used. It is the 'Silver2' style, with the small "Atari2600" in the upper right. Check the WaterWorld box scan to see what I mean.

No offense, but I think I'd be rather annoyed to go through all the trouble to program, manufacture, package and release a game only to see credit go to Hozer, even if they (he) did release a version later. It's your call ultimately, but how about an informal poll of the users as to whether this kind of information would be considered 'clutter'? My guess is most people would prefer accuracy over the convenience of a slightly shorter list of companies. Alternatively, you could have a sort of 'Self Released' listing where all games listed were released by the creators themselves. This would reduce clutter and still not be inaccurate. Anyway, thanks again for listening.

Well, I had one and it had to be the worst controller I ever owned. Not only was it uncomfortable, it was unresponsive. I'm actually thankful that it broke within a month of having received it as it gave me the opportunity to dissect it for wacky controller projects I did at the time. Of course, I still need to replace my manual for No Escape because of the furshulinger order form I cut out. If you find one, don't pay a lot for it and don't say I didn't warn you.

As for the problem of constantly shifting games, the solution for me is to have a 'new acquisitions' box. Once you get into the 2-300 cart areas (like me) the 'new acquisitions' is where you can put the most recent items until you've built up a whole bunch to sort in. (In fact I'm due to redo mine now. Got about twelve carts waiting.) That way you don't so it too often, yet there is still a system of organization.

I use double rowed trading card boxes for most loose carts. I take the divider out for 2600, 7800, Coleco and other like-sized carts (two rows fit perfectly!) and leave it in for Intellisvision, Atari 8-bit, and other small ones. The advantage here over shoe boxes is that they are sturdy and meant to defend trading cards from moisture, so the carts are well protected. They also stack well and a simple sticker on the end can describe the contents. They look nice stacked up that way and are not as expensive as the Rubbermaid.

I feel let down by PSX-anything.

Again, to be fair to Infogrames, they have re-released all the Hasbro Interactive PC games at a low price (mostly $9.99) and released the new Atari Anniversary collection for the PC, Dreamcast and PSX. And it's not a rehash, but a new collection of games, many of which have not been done in an official package before. The collection is getting rave reviews (unlike some of the Hasbro releases) and I think bodes well for the future.

Least favorite: 1. Hat Trick 2. Karateka (controls, it looked good.) 3. Baryard Blaster 4. Jinks 5. Crack'ed Favorites 5. Donkey Kong 4. Donkey Kong Jr. 3. Ballbalser 2. Mario Bros. 1. Ninja Golf (Ninjas! Golf! Bwa Ha Ha Ha!)

For me, it's Video Pinball. I love those bumper buttons on either side, so it feels like a real machine.

The main problem that I see for Mr. Wright would be the weaknesses in his arguements. Although he took the time to divide his letter into an impassioned plea and a legal defense, his defense seems mostly to be of the "go on, let him off, it's a lovely day..." kind of thing. He hurts himself also with his explainations of why he chose the Atari Labs name. He says that there was no effort by Hasbro or Infogrames to revive the Atari name, and this is blatantly untrue. It can be argued whether or not they did a good job, but Hasbro definitely revived the name. It graced all Atari related products for PC, PlayStation and Dreamcast. They also promoted the Atari name on their web site with web based games. Likewise, Infogrames have, in the short time theyv'e owned Habro Interactive and Atari, shown a clear intention to use the name to its fullest advantage. Noone can claim that their intent to promote the name is not clear. He also states that there never was an 'Atari Labs' only an 'Atari Consumer Labs.' While this may be true in the sense that 'Atari Labs' was not an official name, nonetheless a search of Google not only doesn't yield the results he mentions, it yields specific references to 'Atari Labs', some of which are industry observations or anecdotes. So while it may not have been a formal name, it nonetheless was a phrase that pre-existed Atarilabs.com. Google search Mr. Wright also states that he did not want the Atari name to languish. This seems an odd thing to claim given the existance of AtariHQ, Atari.net, AtariAge, etc. The Atari name was in no danger of languishing and certainly didn't need him to save it. Now, understand that I'd kind of like Infogrames to give in. I'm in agreement that this kind of thing can hurt their image with the very base they are trying to capture (as it clearly has). That being said, I do not think Mr. Wright is on quite as solid ground as you seem to think he is. Remember the case of Madonna.com. It was held by a man who used it for a sex site, but decided (when pressured by Madonna) to turn it over to the people who run www.Madonna.org, the Madonna Rehabilitation Hospital. He lost in court and the name was given (without recompense) to Madonna. I don't think Madonna has a greater claim to the word 'madonna' than Atari does to 'atari.' [ 07-16-2001: Message edited by: Rhindle The Red ]

quote: Originally posted by scooterb23: Ok, would you rather play 2600 Mythicon and Froggo games, or shoot yourself in the head with a nailgun?? Well, I always kinda liked Star Fox.

I just sent in a scan of my limited edition Crazy Valet cart and when double checking that the end label matched the one on the site, I noticed something. You list both Okie Dokie and Crazy Valet as Hozer Video titles. I believe the original Okie Dokie carts (the limited ones) were manufactered by Robert Colbert himself and should be credited either to him or to Retroware, the company name listed on the game. Likewise, I believe Brian Prescott himself has made all the Crazy Valet carts to date. He has stated that he'll turn manufacturing over to Hozer later, but that hasn't happened yet. Shouldn't these entries be changed? Also, didn't Andrew Davie release a special edition of Qb at PhillyClassic this year? I don't see it listed on the site.

My turn: 01. Adventure 02. Megamania 03. Superman 04. Pitfall II 05. Mario Bros. It got tough to decide after #1.

Just a quick one. There's a local store here that sells all sorts of collectibles (cards, action figures, etc.). They recently started to get video games. The thing is, the owner has very little idea what games are worth, so he bases the price on his personal assumptions. For example, E.T and Raiders are $5.00 (cause they're movies), Donkey Kong is $3.00 (because he's heard of it), and I got River Patrol (with no end label ) from him for $1.00 (because he hadn't heard of it.) So I go in there and he has a pile of 2600 manuals for $0.25 each. I snag a few that I need when suddenly I see something I've never seen before: and Atari 2800 manual (for Super Breakout). The best part was telling the guy what it was I was buying for $0.25 and seeing him get annoyed for not knowing it was so rare. In case you're wondering, I wouldn't tell him about River Patrol. I want the next copy that comes in for $1.00 too.

Just a side note - according to Game Over by David Sheff, "Atari never had the money to buy the Famicom; the negotiation was a charade orchestrated to tie Nintendo up and remove a potential competitor..." So, as much as I'd like to find blame somewhere else, Atari's problems again came from within.

Thanks. I suspected they were copies, but for the three I mentioned, I don't really care. I try to get all Atari Pac-Mans (Pac-Men? Pacs-man?) and I'm one of the few (the proud?) who really liked Superman III. For those anything that works is fine.

Well, apart from online auctions you could try the newsgroups (make sure they allow ads) or online classifieds. The best non-internet way I know of is to find someone at work/school/etc. who might like it and sell it to them. That way you know who you're dealing with and so do they. This is how I deal most of the systems I sell. Of course for me this has a double usefulness. I get rid of a system I don't need and I gain a customer who will want more games and accesories later on (they always do).

Got a quick question about these guys. (They're at www.myatari.com.) Has anyone bought any of these games from them? I'm particularly interested in Jr. Pac-Man, Super Pac-Man, & Superman III. Are they complete games? Are they any good? This is what they say they have. I'd appreciate any info on anything listed here. MYDOS ON CART 4.X XL/XE SPARTA DOS 3.3C NO DOC'S XL/XE TRANSLATOR (800 OS ON XL/XE) ANIMATED PUZZLE CART ONLY BERZERK (CART ONLY) DEFLECTOR (CART ONLY) DEMO XL/XE GAMES CART KANGAROO 800/CART ONLY LETTER TUTOR(LIGHT PEN) PAC MAN JR (CART ONLY) STARGATE (CART ONLY) SUPER PAC MAN (CART ONLY) SUPERMAN III (CART ONLY) TOWER TOPPLER (CART ONLY) NEWLY RELEASED CARTRIDGES AMAZEMAZE 48K BUMPERS ARCADE 48K CHECKERS 16K HEARTS CARD GAME 48K JAILBREAK 2 TO 4 PLAYERS XL/XE LIGHTS OUT 1 OR 2 PLAYER PUZZLE 48K MA JONG XL/XE MONTANA SOLITAIRE XL/XE PADDLE PACK PONG XL/XE REQ PADDLES PADDLE WARS (PONG)REQ PADDLE 48K PUZZLER 20 DUNGEONS OF PUZZLES 48K RICOCHET ARCADE XL/XE + REQ PADDLE ROCKS, 2 PLAYER XL/XE SHARP SHOOTER XL/XE REQ LIGHT GUN TWIN PACK GAMES 48K VIDEO POKER BY H. BROWN 16K VIDEO SLOTS XL/XE

My 2600 (bought in the early early eighties) only left my care about four years ago when I started collecting again and got a 7800. I gave it to my sister (to keep it in the family, in case I wanted it back for nostalgic reasons). Of course since then my collecting has caused me to obtain about seven more 2600s. They just keep piling up...

Did you get my F-18 Hornet box scan? If so, was it all right?