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Nice! Looks like they are getting more studios involved and that is a really good thing. Hopefully they can get more homebrewers in on the action as that is where I think that this can really shine.

As Tommy and yourself state, you could be right in that the target audience still wouldn't want it. But, I still think some (not a lot mind you) would give it thought at least. Also, yes, MS could very well axe the Xbox One S soon. However, I believe that the Xbox One S will serve as the entry level, low cost option (for a little while at least). However, one never knows exactly what a company has planned as MS themselves have teased there is more to come, but we will just have to see. Same from Sony, Nintendo, or any other company for that matter. Regardless, it is an interesting and fun time for sure with many new options coming out.

You could very well be right, and I very much look forward to seeing the Amico released and competing for dollars and gamer eyeballs.

Definitely the Amico will undercut the new Xbox Series S at $299 and the Xbox Series X at $499. No doubt about it. However, keep in mind that MS is (I believe) still going to sell the Xbox One S as the low end option. It currently is $299, so I think it is fairly likely that if (and a big one admittingly) MS keeps on producing the Xbox One S, then we could very well see a price cut down to $199 and maybe lower. Again, that this is a big if and some speculation on my part. But, a $199 or lower Xbox SKU could prove tempting for some at that price. Just my thoughts.

Awesome pic. Makes one think about what could have been.

Yep, the massive success (and really take over) of the IBM PC standard and/or clones in the business market led to a (somewhat) rapid adaptation in the home / small business market as well.

First of all, my apologies as it was supposed to have said 'the CV was not a victim of the crash drum'. I have gone back and fixed my post, so this takes care of the second part of your reply. Also, yes, I still believe that the primary / overarching cause of the CV's demise was the video game crash combined with the influx of cheap, powerful computers like the A8 and C64. The Adam disaster was the cherry on top of the cake. Sorry if my arguments didn't come across as clear cut. Sometime I even flummox myself, unfortunately and to my own detriment.

Well, yes, I do get to do this as I am no longer going to debate on this discussion further as I am simply agreeing to disagree at this point and move on. I believe that the crash was a cause of the CV's demise in some way shape or form. You, however, completely disagree with this belief, which is totally 100% fine. Since either party is unwilling to concede their points, we can simply agree to disagree and move on. Additionally, I don't think I need to pull up and/or cite sources. I have read, seen, and/or heard many a discussion about the North American video game crash to believe that CV was very much affected by the crash and was, in some way, a victim of it. Also, this is a public forum for people to freely share their views (within reason of course) in a cordial, reasonable manner. I don't believe everyone goes around asking for source information when someone makes a comment and/or gives an opinion. So, if you want to keep on banging 'the CV was not a victim of the crash drum', please feel free to do so. I certainly won't stop you, but please don't be surprise other people don't necessarily agree with you without providing sources to the contrary.

Yep, the Apple IIe had a truly amazing long run in public schools into the 90s when they were replaced by Macs and/or PC clones. Still, its a bit perplexing why companies didn't try to bridge the gap between say an Apple IIe or C64 to an Atari ST and/or Amiga. Either way, this big evolutionary step is what help PC clones really take off in the U.S.

Oh definitely one would think there could have and/or should have been more options in the range you stated. But, for whatever reason, things just made a rapid transition from 8-bit to 16-bit machines and/or PC clones with very little transition between the two. Granted, there were some higher end 8-bit computers that did come around like the CoCo 3 and Commodore 128, but not much else really and even those did not find much success compared to earlier 8-bit computers. Ironically, the Apple II and C64 managed to chug along further into the late '80s well past their prime where one would think there should have been more (attempted) successors. Still, very odd, but very true too.

Unfortunately we in the States didn't have the development of 8-bit machines like other places around the world. Pretty much after 1984 any pre-existing and/or new computer makers started making PC clones instead of their own distinct machines. This was mainly due to the (IBM) PC taking over and standardizing computers on the business side and the start of the bleed over into the home / small business side when the cost of a PC (albeit a clone) came down with the offerings of other new generation computers from Atari with the ST, Commodore with the Amiga, and Apple with the IIgs being at and/or more (in some cases) that a comparable PC clone.

PC clones were the big difference between the States and other places around the world. Granted, lots of companies did join and make their own computers. But, when they did they went in as a PC Clone, unlike what you saw in England and/or Japan. Very different, but explains why the computer market took shape the way that it did in the 1980s.

You are free to believe whatever you want. I will not debate you further. If you wholeheartedly believe that the CV was not a victim (to some degree) as a result of the crash, then that is fine and totally cool. I will say that I, along with others, are probably in the majority thinking the CV was a victim of the crash (in some way, shape, or form). But, of course, that is up to debate and I think I have written enough on what my views on it are. Now, onward to more discussions regarding the thread's topic 😀

Not sure if the Xbox Series S at $299 necessarily relates to the Atari VCS, but I think it is a just another nail in the VCS's coffin. I think this will sell to some degree as a niche gaming / PC device. Aside from that, I think this is probably not long for this earth.

Pretty solid line up imo. I think the Series S at $299 and the Series X at $499 are pretty reasonable price wise for what you will be getting. Make me wonder, since MS is going to still be producing the One S, what it's future price will be in-and-around Black Friday and even after that. I think it will be dropped (permanently) to $199 and we might see it on sale for Black Friday for $150. Granted, these are just guesses on my part, but obviously a price change for the One S is (very likely) coming.

Good episode as always. Also, I gotta say the videos the last two weeks have been really good imo. Not every episode can be outstanding, but the last two weeks have seemingly gone really well from what I can tell. Moreoever, I am very excited for the new Checkmate case with an UnAmiga. I will be following that very closely and look forward to its Kickstarter.

It was (effectively) dealt a mortal blow by the crash and (definitely) by the Adam. Granted, it survived until 1985. However, the writing was on the wall before it was pulled. I can appreciate you banging the drum for the CV pretty loudly, but the CV's demise was caused (to some debatable degree) by the crash and the dearth of cheap capable 8 bit computers like the A8 and (more-so) C64 like it or not.

Personally I would tend to lean more toward the Series X as that is the more future proof model. However, depending on how expandable storage is on the Series S, that could be a viable choice too. That all being said, the console that I would more likely to pick up is a Switch over any of the others. It just has a lot more of what I like on it, although the Forza series calls to me like a siren's song at times.

I think we can safely say that the Atari ST line of computers were pretty darn good machines. Yes, they are not Amiga and/or a Mac, but then again what (exactly) was then? It was a jack of all trades, master of none machine. Nothing wrong with that. I know that I certainly would have loved to have one back in the day even though I was in full Nintendo/NES mode in the ST's heyday.

100% agreed. The ST should be judged on its own merits. Is it an Amiga, no. However, that doesn't mean that the ST isn't a good machine and is, I believe, a lot more than a 'crap Amiga' or whatever other non-Amiga labels people tend to place on it. The ST was very inventive and (to some degree) influential for its time. I think it is a computer platform that deserves more appreciation and understanding, that's for sure.

Is the MiST worth getting at all considering all that is out there? I have one for sale locally and am tempted to get it. However, I really don't have any time to fiddle with things. I am more of a 'plug and play' kind of guy admittingly. Would it be worth me looking into as I currently don't have anything set up to play Amiga, ST, or C64 games. Thanks and any feedback is appreciated.

Unfortunately we are just playing the "What if" game. While it is fun and (very) debatable as to what the CV could and/or couldn't have done if it was able to survive the video game crash, the fact remains that it didn't and was yet another victim of the crash. I still think it would have gotten trounced by Nintendo and the NES even if it had survived, but that is, admittingly, just speculation on my part. Besides, going back to theme of the thread, computers in and around the time of the CV had its number to a degree as well as machines like the C64 and/or A8 were just as capable as the CV gaming wise and offered a lot more beyond just playing games. This is in part why such good/great gaming machines as the CV took massive hits because home computers like the C64 and/or A8 being able to trump it in terms of capability and sometimes games themselves.

The CV was ultimately a failure as it, too, succumbed to the video game crash. Granted, a lot of Coleco's problems did stem from the Adam computer, but the CV eventually didn't do so hot either after being a pretty good for success for the first year or so after its release. How long the CV could have lasted if Coleco didn't have the addition anchor of the Adam weighing the company down who knows. Regardless, the CV would have gotten trounced at some point by Nintendo and NES.

Definitely there is a lot to like with the ST. Also, yes, the Amiga is what really casts a long shadow over the ST as the Amiga was the better machine. And, regarding MiST and MiSTer, those look to be really good solutions to play ST, Amiga, and others without having extensive collections and/or machines. I know a MiST is being sold locally that I am tempted to pick up in order to dabble in ST, Amiga, etc., but not sure if I will pull the trigger as I just don't have really any time to mess with a lot of things.

Still, it was a good episode and I do enjoy the series quite a bit. Keep up the great work!