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The DC failed because:1) Consumers at the time thought the value of a PS2 (thanks to its built-in DVD player) compared to a DC was greater
2) Consumers were overall more excited about Sony's new system rather than the DC, which had the potential to be "dropped" like the Sega CD and 32X
Mascots really aren't such a big deal nowadays, but exclusive series are. Halo pretty much kept the Xbox alive because of its fanbase (and I don't think Master Chief was ever designed to be the XBox's unnofficial mascot --- it just happened that way). The PS2 succeeded because GTA was generally perceived as a PS2 series (even though ports arrived later on other platforms) and because people associate Square games like Final Fantasy with Sony.
Atari tried to make unique games in its short run that could possibly turn into a "unique series" but nothing happened. I honestly think Black Ice White Noise could have been one, if it had just been finished.
Yeah, I was really surprised. I've kind of been out of the loop with video games. With everything going on right now, I just haven't had time. I've relegated myself to collecting systems now when they get older, but I was always under the impression that the DreamCast was going to do well. I was REALLY surprised when I eventually learned that it pretty much fell off the face of the earth (and quickly too). I mean, lets face it, Sega has pretty much relegated itself to the ranks of Atari. I'm really surprised because the DreamCast (correct me if I'm wrong) is a solid system that is STILL competetive with the PS2 and the original xBox, is it not? It would STILL, even when compared with the Wii, the PS3, and the xBox 360 be at least somewhat relevant... so how come Sega threw in the towel so quickly?
And what surprises me even more than that is how quickly they ditched the Saturn. It seemed the Saturn was only "alive" for maybe a year or two at most?!
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The trouble is we did have a bunch of Amiga/ST coders and this is what we we rewarded with.Yet another reason they should've gone with Panther release in '91 as originally planned instead of
rushing forward with Jaguar, which was still in the building/planning stages. Yeah, it was progressing
ahead of schedule...but they should've taken that opportunity to build it better, with better components,
and wait for the price of said components and manufacturing to drop, then release it later at a lower price.
And why do I say the ST coders thing is another reason for Panther in '91, as planned?
Panther apparently had a bit in common with the ST. And the ST, at the time, was still a pretty damn
impressive gaming PC.
At the very least they would've gotten ST ports when ST ports would've mattered, and best versions of the
16-bit console titles when that would've meant something. Yeah, Jag got some of the better ports of SNES
and Genesis games...but it was a 64-bit system according to Atari. Ports of 16-bit titles, no matter how much
better didn't have a great impact on Jag sales. In fact, I think it had a negative effect on Jag's image, and
therefore the sales.
I think it would be all too awesome to have had the Panther platform be released. I mean, imagine a system from Atari meant to compete with the Super Nintendo and the Sega Genesis? I KNOW they had a lot of awesome games from developers over seas that they could have easily ported over from the ST. And... I'm sure there would have been some other great games from in-house as well as local US publishers.
The only thing I wonder though is that... Atari was clearly on it's way out one way or another. There were too many blunders (unfortunately), the market had changed too drastically, and there just wasn't as much support for Atari (from developers and non-fans) to really build a quality following. That being said, I think that the Atari Panther probably would have ended up being the last system, and the Jaguar would probably never have been. In a perfect world, I'd love to see Atari come out with a new system, but I think the time for dedicated systems is nearing an end. I think most people will still want a dedicated system, but what possibly could Atari offer in today's day and age that an xBox or a PlayStation III wouldn't have? I mean, developers would much prefer programming (for one) on a system that's easily portable to a computer (99%), and second, a system that already has a following. When it comes down to business, you do what you need to do to make money, not make games for Atari when it's questionable.
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Actually, you have a point.There were several things involved here...
First and foremost, programming style. Opcode has proven that ability is just as important as a system's ability; compare his CV Pac-Man to even that of the NES.
The 5200 games, overall, did have a more, well, "arcade" look about it. Compare 5200 Robotron to that of the 7800. The explosions on the 5200 are far better, and I like the fact that the 5200 has the border. Movement is smoother on the 7800 and it has the color green, but overall, I actually like the 5200 better. Not to mention sound. Likewise 5200 Centipede is just more like the arcade version than the 7800.
Secondly, and this is probably more important for older gamers, was the game selection available at the time. The 5200 had games that were current, while the 7800, overall, did not. In the 5200's time Atari was big, a real powerhouse, with its arcade division and all. By the time the 7800 was "widely" released, it was the time of Nintendo, and Atari had been split up. This was significant: with the 5200, it was reasonable to expect "Atari" arcade games to appear on it. With the 7800, "Atari" arcade games were from an entirely different company.
The 7800 had pitiful support. I never felt as though the Tramiels really gave a damn about us 7800 owners- the same could NOT be said for the 5200 owners.
In short, overall, it was just better having a 5200 in its time than a 7800 in its time.
I still remember when I was a kid... we had our 2600 for a while, and I think I was like 5 or 6 years old and my parents bought my brother an Atari 5200 for christmas. It came with Pac Man. We hooked it up and started to play it, and within like 15 minutes of playing it, something went wrong with the controllers. We literally couldn't get Pac Man to move in certain directions. I was pissed. My mom said she was going to return it and sure enough, she did, but she never got a replacement for it. :\
So, I didn't end up getting a 5200 until maybe 7 years ago.
From what I understand, this happened to a LOT of families. The controllers were just bad from the factory.
I was sooo man, because the 5200 just sounded so superior in every way to the 2600 that I was used to playing.
I quickly forgot about though because a year or two later (I think in 1987) I bought a Nintendo 8 bit for $174 bucks. My parents wouldn't let me have one, so I mowed lawns and stuff for a year, and went to Toys R' Us with my bike, $80 bucks in mostly ones, fives, and tens, and the rest in a change (in a big zip lock back). They closed down that isle and spent the next 10 minutes counting all my change.
My parents were so pissed when they came home and I had one. But... they let me keep it since I had worked for it. hahah...
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You're kidding, right? I mean....I know I might sound stupid, but wouldn't the hard wash/rinse/spin cycle break the two halves into a MILLION pieces? Am I just being dumb here or is there something to this?
Son of a b***h, did I say washing machine? I always do that. No, sorry... I mean dish washer. I put the parts on the top rack (glasses) of the dishwasher and run a load. They come out absolutely spotless!
Damn, I really should watch what I write... imagine if someone had taken my advice of LITERALLY putting it into a washing machine as apposed to a dish washer.
Yeah, I'd imagine the washing machine would totally destroy it! hahah....
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there were 3do fans acting superior over that game? It was the worst abortion I think I've ever played. Lazy controls and that guy who just wouldn't shut up about himself. no 3do couldn't handle that game either...Take it off of the beginner's settings. On the pro setting, with all manual control, the speed of the cars takes a dramatic upturn. Pretty fast, and intense (for the time, of course) racing action.
As much as I think the game is a tad overrated, fact is that it's far better than any racer that appeared on the Jag, and far better than just about any racer that appeared before it that wasn't made by Sega (or Atari in the arcades).
That said, it ain't Sega Rally, and it ain't (wait for it...wait for it) RRRIIIIIIIDDDDGGGEEEE RRRRRAAAACCCCEEERRR!
lol
I still get a chuckle from Sony's debacle of a PS3 unveiling. The stuff of legends.
Man, you guys are forgetting Power Drive Rally. That game was awesome!
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I know Atari had spent a ridiculous amount of money on BI/WN to not follow through with it. (along with a lot of other titles that were never published).The cart format being as pricey as it was I'm sure wasn't any help either. It would have been nice for them to focus their games on the CD platform but felt they would have left the original Jag owners out of the loop and upsetting? them.
If Atari would have followed through with the VR (which was essentially completed) and released the JagDuo setup , finishing up some games, that alone would have opened a whole new string of life for the Jaguar as nothing else could give you that same experience. They could have released a JagDuo / VR combo package for $399 and still would have been in the same price zone as the PSX, only offering a different form of entertainment.
JTS was a joke.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Jaguar was completely axed in 1995. And Atari, as of that point, was basically officially "done". I mean, I might be mis-understanding it, but I believe JTS was nothing more than a hard drive company that bought Atari for the naming rights and left over assets. I'm pretty sure that 99.95% of the employees were laid off when Atari was sold to JTS. (or at least within a month of the sale).
I had a friend that worked for "Atari". He originally started out as a MicroProse employee, then MicroProse was bought by Hasbro. Shortly after that time, Hasbro bought Atari. Then InfroGrames bought both Atari AND MicroProse and they quickly (within like 6 months) decided to make Atari the major branding. So, while people might be upset with InfroGrames right now... I've got to say that Atari was pretty much gone. And... you owe all of that to JTS just as much as you do the Trameils. JTS did NOTHING with Atari except sell off the rights to various patents and game licenses that they had. So, they did NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING but liquidate the company.
You could say that by 1994 Atari as we knew it was gone... but, the fact is... by 1997, Atari as EVERYONE knew it was totally gone. I mean, they don't even own a building, or rent an office, or have a single employee left from any point in the company during the 80s or early 90s.
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The jaguar has some [...] decent fighting gamesI have to disagree with you here... All the fighting games that they did manage to release were highly flawed:
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Kasumi Ninja - Terrible controls (Holding C button to do moves makes you a sitting duck), poor animation, silly character design.
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Fight For Life - Slow gameplay, poor textures, and poor 3D models (Decent for the Jaguar I guess, but other systems were already doing much better). I like how you can learn new moves though, that was a nice touch that really helped the game.
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Primal Rage - While the animation and graphics are all there, they botched the combo system... so none of the combos that worked in the arcade work here. There's no reason this couldn't have been arcade perfect (I'm willing to overlook the "loading for fatalities" issue even).
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Ultra Vortek - I'd say this was actually the best of the bunch, but the controls are kind of funny here too. Could have been a good replacement for Mortal Kombat if they had tightened it up a bit.
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Double Dragon V - This game is just crap. Terrible controls, and laughable character design.
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Dragon - Stiff gameplay, and just not very fun at all.
The sad thing is, back in the days, I was REALLY envious of Way of the Warrior on the 3DO. I kept wishing the Jaguar would get a fighting game as good as that instead of this Kasumi Ninja BS. It wasn't until about 10 years later that I actually PLAYED Way of the Warrior... Kasumi Ninja didn't seem so bad after that
Hah... well, I actually thought for a minute or two before I put that sentence in there. The ONLY reason I put it in there was because of Ultra Vortek, which basically was JUST as good as any Mortal Kombat or similar game that came out during the time. That, plus the fact that Primal Rage (at least in my opinion) was actually pretty good. Also Dragon was pretty decent too, once you get into it. Double Dragon V to me, seems like it's missing 3/4ths of the game. Where is the side scroller part? I really don't understand the point of that game. I was SOOO expecting that I was going to get a continuation of the Double Dragon series...
But, when you consider Ultra Vortek, Dragon, and Primal Rage, it really had some decent fighting games. Fight For Life was /OK/, but as you say, it has slow game play. Because of that, I find it hard to play. I mean, it's not the best, but I think this is ONE area where I felt that they actually at least met the mark. For 1995 standards. You can't REALY consider Fight for Life, since, didn't it come out RIGHT after the Jaguar died?
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Kasumi Ninja - Terrible controls (Holding C button to do moves makes you a sitting duck), poor animation, silly character design.
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Yeah, it's kind of funny. I wonder if it would be worth anything other than the cost of a normal Atari 2600? Does the 2600 Rarity Guide include systems? That would be neat...
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I am curious, how many 2600 systems do you guys own and what models?
I have to admit...I own zero.
I only own Three! One NIB jr model. and two 4switchers, black one and woograin one. NTSC machines. I sold a 4 switch sears model and boxed 6switcher
I also have 35 cart slots/ guides for modding 35 FB2 units when they come out
I wonder how many slot/ guides keilbaca possesses
Must place another order, Im trying to dry out my supplier
Hey Atari Eric, I live in Fort Lauderdale too. You wouldn't happen to drive a yellow Ford Ranger pick-up with the Atari logo on the back window, would you? I stole your idea and put an Atari logo on the back window of my Pontiac Solstice.
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Guys, really really simple.
Take the thing completely apart, and put the two halves in the washing machine. If it has a sticker on the bottom that you don't want to damage, then just put the top half of the shell in the dish washer.
It will come out 100% brand new looking... seriously...
I've done this with everything I've got (that doesn't have stickers on it).
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Hey guys,
Sorry for the bad picture. I'm going through my closet and trying to get rid of duplicate stuff. In any case, I've come across these Atari 2600s on the far side wall of my closet that I had which I forgot about. I was wondering if you guys could tell me anything. I apparently bought these at an auction like almost 10 years ago. Some local video store had gone out of business and they had something like 100 of these or so. As it was explained to me, these Atari 2600s were sold AFTER the release of teh Atari 2600jr. What's contained in these boxes are "Darth Vader" Atari 2600s. (or whatever the technical name is for them). They came with an all black 2600 except for a silver 2600 logo, an all black controller with the single red button, the Atari 2600 adaptor, the Video / TV RF Box, and Asteroids (I thought it was pac man but I'll find out when I take them out of the closet).
The guy who I got them from told me that Atari had a huge surplus of these 2600 units in a warehouse and when they were liquidating their stuff, they brought these out and made these crappy boxes for them (they aren't much thicker than pizza boxes) and blew them out so to speak.
Any ideas?
Thanks!
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There is one true RPG/adventure game out there, finished, and will hopefully be released soon; Robinson's Requiem. It's big-time in the survival-adventure genre, and it doesn't get any deeper than RR where RPG character stats are concerned. It's much deeper than just hitpoints, you can actually get diseases and poisoned, real wounds to worry about that you actually have to take medicine for, and bandage. Splints need to be made for broken limbs, etc. Just surviving, in the beginning is the key, from injury and starvation, and freezing or overheating. Your characters costume is important and whether you are wearing a winter coat in the freezing cold, or, in 90 degree heat which could overheat and exhaust you, so you have to strip down to your skivies, etc. This will make up for a lot on the Jaguar in the adventure RPG catagory if it gets released. It is available now for the PC, Mac and 3DO consoles. I have it on the 3DO, and from what I've seen of the Jaguar version, it appears to be identical.Black Ice/White noise would have been another to really deliver, and possibly Varuana's Forces would have been another among many RPG/adventure games that used to be listed as in development for the Jaguar. Even the now legendary Dues Ex Machina, and many many more; Dante's Inferno, Commander Blood, Chaos Agenda(I believe this is what became BI/WN), Circle of Four, Bios Fear, Ishar Genesis, Return to Zork, Return of Magic, Legions of the Undead and Dungeon Depths.
If the Jaguar had lasted even another year, we probably would have seen some of these titles, but the development time for most would have been longer than the Jaguar's market life.
That sounds awesome! Do you know when it will be coming out for the Jaguar? I have a 3D0 also, but I'd really rather play it on the Jag. I don't suppose it will be cartridge based, will it? I know I can't have my cake and eat it too, but I definitely prefer games on cartridge... I'm just not a fan of load times.
I have a mint Jag-CD, and then a rather used one (which I actually use when I play games). But... I wonder if there's any consideration for making an aftermarket Jaguar CD? I would seriously doubt that the Jag-CD is 52x read-speed? If anything, it's probably a 2x speed CD drive (which was rather standard, though still expensive back then). If someone could make some sort of a replacement Jag CD system, something by which it was nothing more than a basic 5.25" enclosure with a 52x CD drive in there, and then a custom connector of some sort that goes between the Jaguar and the Memory Cartridge, that would be awesome.
I still have 2 years left before I get my Electrical Engineering degree, so I'm not looking forward to the idea of trying this myself... but I can't imagine it would be too difficult? I know the VLM is on there, but what other programming exists on the Jag-CD drive that we couldn't duplicate some-how?
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I use normal Atari 2600 controllers (ones that were recently made). =PIt works well, but I can't use the teleport in Asteroids. XD
I use the Sega Master System controller. It's basically identical to an NES controller in pretty much every way except it's from Sega.
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Hey Bubsy, I've got a Dreamcast, but I've never actually plugged it in or played it. What would I need to do to be able to play 5200 games on my Dreamcast? That would be pretty cool.
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I would say E.T., but since they made more of them than they did video game systems, I'd probably have to retract that. but it looks good!
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Like it was said, gamers just were not interested in RPGs at the time. They were increddibly popular with a niche few (in my entire school there were my friend and I, plus the smelly kid that allways sat in the back of the class, and we were the only kids who played RPGs) everybody else didn't care. I think if Black Ice White Noise was finished the whole picture would be different. It would have filled the adventure catagory in a big way. The other part of this is that there just arn't that many jaguar games total, so one game of a genre isn't bad for the system. 2 out of 50-60 games, the ratio on other systems was about the same and still is for the most part (look at the xbox, Wii, gamecube, dreamcast, a few adventure/RPG but not many, PS2 PS1 were the exceptions). I would have loved games like arena football or Dactyl Joust, could have filled those gaps nicely. One of the reasons I love the Jag so much is that despite having a very small library of games it has a bit of everything, even a RPG
Yeah, I see what you're saying... it just bums me out to no end. I'll just have to get over it.
But, I like everything about the Jaguar. I like the feel of the controller (seriously), I like the speed of the machine. By that I mean, you can tell which types of processes in the Jaguar are lightning fast, and which ones are acceptable. I think all things aside, the system itself with all of it's capability was absolutely perfect for a good solid RPG. For example, something as simple as say, one of the AD&D gold box series games, but with full VGA. Or even something like Eye of the Beholder, or even a game like Final Fantasy. Games like that would have run perfect on that system.
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Hey guys,
Don't know if anyone cares, but I took some pictures of my 7800 in the box and my Atari 2600jr in the box. They are both "NIB" (New In Box). They've both been opened, as I've done that for no other reason than to inspect them, but they're both new. The boxes aren't in AS good a shape as I'd like, especially the 2600jr. The box on the jr looks a little bit abused, but the inside, everything is completely unopened and new. The consoles may look like they have some wear on the metal, but it's actually because they both have that plastic sticker / seal over the metal.
I've got a bunch of other stuff... 5200s in their boxes, and I've got 3 "Darth Vader" style Atari 2600s also brand new in the box. They came in these really plain and simlpe card-board boxes. They came with PacMan. It's a white card board box, not much more complex than a pizza box. Really weird. I'll take a picture of those too when I get the chance.
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Gorf I understand your point but, you are wrong about a collector. A collector in most cases is collecting for monatary value trying to have the most pieces of the pie wether it be comics wanting everyone of a 300 issue title, or all the Jag games made. The more they have the closer they are to the end. Sometimes you do buy extra copies of comics games etc. to bargain for more $$ to further your collection or you settle for money because that is your altimate goal.In the scheme of things I doubt midway cares to much about $300 copies of Jag, Sega CD, Sega Genesis, etc. games. The only reason they have told(probably suggested lawyers would be involved)was because they have to protect their copyright, if they do not attempt to protect it at all times then it becomes almost null and void in the court systems. If persay the game Orf came out with a few character changes and a new screen and sold 100 or so copies (for a dead system) would it be worth Midway investing a case against you (my guess is no) If it was for a current system or PC (I would guess yes)
It's late I think my point is the only reason I re-started collecting Atari Jaguar was because it brought back memories of the past and the games were holding steady retaining and increasing in value. I waiste enouth $$ on food/shelter if their is a way to have a hobby that I can make $$ then I am happy.
I can understand it from all the different angles. I think it depends on the person, but for me, I clearly buy them first off because I like Atari (and other game systems). I hope / pray for the day when I'll actually have time to sit down and just play them all... but at the same time, I like knowing that I have the original hardware, in the original boxes (to some extent). I understand that in some cases I can expect a decent monetary return... but when it comes to investing, I would consider video games a very small portion of my portfolio. Maybe... in 35 years when I retire, I can sell my nearly mint Missile Command Arcade machine for a decent amount... but right now, it's the nostalgia of just owning it.
Same goes with cars... many of the cars I own, most people would consider pretty cool. But no single one of them has any real substantial value. The VW Bus, my 81 Trans Am, the Porsche... they're all probably worth no more than $5,000 each. Of course I paid much less than that, but I didn't do so with the intent to make a profit or return on them. I suppose some people do that, but they deal more with things like Ferraris. Just like with Atari... my VW Bus might be like Big Bird's Egg Catch, but the people doing it for money are hoarding prototypes (more on par with like a vintage Ferrari 275 GTB).
I relate everything to cars, I think it's how my brain works, but I hope you guys understand my analogy. In any case though... I definitely consider myself a collector, again, I don't own anything like a prototype Atari 7800, or a Jaguar VR helmet, but I like to get as much as I can. If when I'm $65, someone offers to trade exorbant amounts of money for them, then maybe I'll sell... but until now, it's nice just knowing that I can go into the closet and pick out a system and play it. Maybe that's some sort of psychological disorder that hasn't been given a name yet! hahah...
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I guess it's a landmark in the sense that it was most console gamers' first RPG. So it was very significant in establishing the genre here. But predating Dragon Warrior on the NES, at least in the US market, was Ultima 3 (Exodus) - originally an American game. I think Wizardry (Canadian) might have been out earlier as well. Dragon Warrior came out something like 6 months after Ultima and was much simpler, but it's more well known and got more promotion from Nintendo. I wasn't particularly impressed with it, having played Ultima first. DW is such a simple and linear game that I have the feeling they were using it as a quick market test to decide whether to translate Final Fantasy.Yes, yes... definitely. I started with Ultima 4 though, I wasn't really into games that early. But yeah, there were several dozen awesome PC games back in the day. Even the AD&D Gold Box series games (which I still play), but at least on a console, the Nintendo just had everyone beat.
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That is very cool! But it's clearly a 2600jr.
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Not to focus on the negatives, I am a huge fan of the Jaguar. But with a conversation that was sparked on the 7800 forum, it got me thinking of some of the things the Jaguar lacks.
The jaguar has some good side scrollers, it has some good action games, decent fighting games, but it really lacks RPG / Adventure games. I haven't given the Highlander a chance, so I can't say for sure if it's good or not, but Towers II is pretty much the sole adventure game for the jag. I'm surprised they never came out with anything, a franchise if you will... like the Final Fantasy or Dragon Warrior series.
What were they thinking?
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Nice to hear that everything inside is sealed(in all honesty thats what I thought you would say), I am really envious, but I am rubbish at keeping things sealed and in boxes, I just have to open them up and use them On a side note, love your Bus, looks like a nice resto. I would be happy to have that parked in my garage
Thanks! I appreciate it! That's why I always put that link and try to push my site! hahaha... the comments I get actually make me get off my butt and go out into the garage to work on the cars. I got that Bus for SOOO cheap, and there was a little while there where there were quite a few of them in the junkyard so getting parts for them were easy. I paid $1,200 for the Bus! And it already had a new paint job, a rebuilt motor and a rebuilt transmission. Everything else was completely missing though. (No glass, seals, lights, interior, or anything).
I've actually got a few other stuff in boxes. I just went on a purchasing binge in 1999-2001. Atari stuff was DIRT CHEAP on eBay, thrift stores, you name it. I've also got an Atari 2600jr in the box (sealed) the one that the jingle was "Under $50 bucks?!". I've also got a CIB (Complete in Box) Atari 5200 4-Port, and a CIB Atari 5200 2-Port. I've got an Atari 5200 trackball in the box, an XEGS CIB in the box, a Coleco in the box, an NES Power Set in the box (the power pad has never even been used), an NES Action Set in the box, an Intellevision 1 in the box, a Jaguar in the box (sealed / glued), and a few others that I'm forgetting about. But then I've got a bunch of loose stuff, 3D0, NeoGeo, NEC TurboGraFX-16 (with CD), bunch of Atari 2600s... Saturn, Master System, Genesis, blah blah... I've really got to catalog this stuff. I'm totally getting psyched. I want to play all of it now too. Half the stuff I've never even had a chance to play yet.
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While we've debated technical aspects endlessly in this forum, there were a lot of strategic issues at work here too:- Atari royally, royally pissed off the channel. Nintendo had to do significant work to appease the channel that Atari had essentially destroyed. They made the NES look like a different kind of machine than a "video game console" quite deliberately. Nintendo had the advantage of being relatively unknown and not carrying the big Atari 'target' on their head. This is one case where brand equity probably wouldn't have worked in Atari's favour.
- Atari spent nothing on advertising. $300K is peanuts when competitors are spending a hundred times that.
- Games, games, games. The 7800's library for 1986 and 1987 was either better versions of old arcade games or computer ports. Remember ... in a world without Nintendo, Atari thought their enemy was the Colecovision and the dropping price of the home computer. The games and licenses reflect that. The NES and SMS redefined the types of games people wanted to play. Atari didn't pay to make games like that until years later.
- Atari divided their limited resources between the 7800, 2600jr and XE Game System. Talk about brand confusion. The same games were often on each at the same time. 2600 games were advertised as being "for the 2600 and 7800", then 7800 versions of the same title were advertised as "for the 7800".
You know what? This is probably the best explanation I've read so far. You're totally correct. Atari was trapped in the past. They never really had the kind of competition that Nintendo provided for them at any time in their past. The games that Nintendo had weren't necessarily better (although most would probably disagree), they were just completely different. I guess it took a completely different culture than from the US and Western Europe to design different types of games that people had never really seen before.
I mean, even a game like Dragon Warrior. The 7800 could have easily supported a game like this (except without maybe the save-game feature???). Dragon Warrior by Enix was a land-mark game. There was nothing out there like that on any of the other systems (Coleco, Intellevision, Atari, Magnavox). I mean, you could hardly compare "Adventure" with Dragon Warrior. All of those games were just nothing more than "Beat Your High Score" type of games.
Did any Atari (other than Jaguar) ever have save game capability?
I will say that many of the computer-ports to the Atari were pretty decent... like Ace of Aces, Rampage, Choplifter, etc... but man, Atari desperately needed an adventure game like that. And the Nintendo had a bunch of them... Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy, etc...
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Can we see a picture of the sealed 7800? Pleeeaaase
no, it's been opened
So my question is, can it be classed as sealed if has been opened?
Sure, I can take a picture of it. I'm leaving for a business trip this afternoon and won't be back until Friday, but I can take a picture.
There wasn't much that considered it "sealed". I think there was maybe a single Atari sticker or something that sealed it.
All the contents are still "sealed". The controllers, the 7800 system, the Pole Position game, the antenna adaptor, etc... are all still sealed in their individual wrapping inside.
the ONLY thing I took out, which I used to test, was the AC Adaptor. I had another 7800 that I wanted to make sure it was still good, and that it wasn't the adaptor, and I knew that one to be new so I tested it. I put it back exactly how it was though.
All the manuals are still in the original Atari envelope, and I even have the original Video 61 sales receipt.
So, I would still consider it "NIB", New In Box. Since it is...
I don't know exactly what "sealed" would add to it's value any more than it being NIB. I simply opened it to put the sales receipt in it and to make sure everything was in there.
I'll take some pictures this weekend and post them. I might as well take pictures of everything and catalog it on my web site. I only have car stuff on there now...
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They definitely had an up-hill battle to start with, but Trameil should have seen that Atari's computer line was dwindling and that he was going no where. I mean, he just came from Commodore that saw basically an obliteration of the entire Commodore line (including, for the most part, Amiga). Atari for a very SHORT while started to make IBM / PC Compatible computers. I recall seeing an 8088 clone made by Atari. That's where they should have focused all of their computer attention. Not necessarily build a custom and semi-proprietary machine like the Tandy (what with their specific Video and Sound capabilities). One of the things I've learned in business is that, you can be forward thinking and a revolutionary... but you must appeal to the masses if you want to make money. A lot of companies have had to learn this the hard way... Porsche, Ferrari, etc...