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[*]:wink: postmodernistic "anything goes" approaches take out the fun of discussions. Of course it's not important whether something is classic or not. But rambling on about it on a message board sure is! [*] people that grew up in the Atari era also lived the Nintendo era. They know about the achievements of both Atari and Nintendo. You could say the first are better informed. [*] Not every console from the 70s-80s era should be considered a classic. Age alone is not enough to qualify for that status. [*] Based upon the evidence presented here, both Atari 2600 and NES are rightfully considered classics today. [*] I contend that the 2600 is the real King of Consoles than the NES, and it will be recognized as such in 50 years. However, future generations may look upon that quite differently, citing the Playstation as the biggest achievement of the console era... Cheers, Marco

Please do so, I'm very interested to know as I wrote that part of the Digital Press Guide :wink: We have lowered the rarity and values of Brazilian 2600 games in this edition of the Guide significantly. As more and more Brazilians find their way to eBay it appears that these games are not as rare as we expected. San-D, also a member of this board, went to Brazil himself and found out that you can still find tons of Atari 2600 games. Only problem is to find them in a nice condition, or boxed. Of course, there are rare games for sure, like the Splicevision carts and supercharger tapes, but most of the bigger brands like Polyvox, CCE, Dactar, Dynacom, Genus, Digivision, Shockvision, Applevision, JF, Imagic, Robby, Zirok, Gran Match, Fotomania, etc etc appear to be quite common. Or am I completely wrong? Cheers, Marco

Great stuff, fish, but you already know how jealous I am. Interestingly, I have games with the MOMO, JOJO, Galaxy and 'joystick/glove' labels also. And they were found in... Germany! Looks like you don't have to go all the way to Bangkok to find these babies Cheers, Marco

A rarity guide with Brazilian games exists. It's the Digital Press Guide, ready to be released in a little over a week from today. If you get the chance, be sure to get yourself a copy! Cheers, Marco

It exists, the Digital Press Guide, ready to be released in a little over a week from today. If you get the chance, be sure to get yourself a copy! Cheers, Marco

Hi Thomas, Below's the review I wrote about the game after I had discovered it in the big lot of Eproms I had acquired. Man, that was a cool find: almost every single Videopac proto known to exist today was in there. If only I'd find something similar for the 2600 Cheers, Marco "Jake" The game starts with the regular Videopac Select Game screen. After pressing a number on the keyboard an opening screen appears. This screen shows the GST-Video logo and the name Jake. Although I don't know why this game would be called Jake, I will refer to this game as such, simply because I have no other title to go with. The game starts if you press the firebutton or move the joystick in any direction. If the joystick remains untouched the game switches into a demonstration mode. The game is one player only and has one game variation. It plays on both the G7000 and G7400 Videopac consoles. The gamescreen consists of a big yellow core that features two figures: your spaceship and an alien. The alien, while moving around the four corners of the core, throws (magnetic) balls at your ship, which cause it to move towards the sides of the core. If your ship hits one of the walls, it is destroyed. You can move your ship up/down, and right/left to steer it away from the walls. The navigation of the spaceship is hindered by the absence of gravity, which gives it a very realistic touch. If you pull the joystick in a diagonal direction and press the fire button, you can fire shots at the balls and the alien. You score points by destroying the balls and the alien (which takes five hits). A nice feature of this game is that it has an original end screen. On this screen a globe is shown. The globe changes colours, while a yellow ring is circling around it. The ring drops something on the earth, probably the devious alien. I was really impressed by this game. It has some real nice features, like the demo mode and the end screen. The game looks very good and would have been a firm success if it were released. My rating: 5 out of 5 points for both graphics and gameplay.

Hey Thomas, That's a nice game indeed, but you should look at "Jake" or whatever it's called these days as well (I believe someone found the real title, something like Alien Invader). It's a very nicely done game, with a nice gravity feature. It's also a proto, but the ROM is floating around freely From the early library Stone Sling, Monkey Shines and Munchkin come to mind. Cheers, Marco

okay, this confirms it: the 2600 is the Undisputed King of Consoles. Man, that's one hilariously cool cart! Great find too, fish Cheers, Marco

No box, no glory! We need proof, fishy! I think that Marspatrouille comes from the same batch as Feuerwehr im Einsatz and Kampf in der Galaxie. Hm, should we in- or exclude those...?? Cheers, Marco

Okay then, one more try: You say, for example, Dr.Dos 6.0 or whatever other program that never made a real difference, is a classic just because it's old? Age alone doesn't make something (a) classic. At least, not by the defenition given above. Cheers, Marco

I think most of us will agree to that definition, and most posters here agree that the NES should be considered a classic today. But, it still doesn't tell us if the NES - or any other console for that matter - will keep its enduring impact and thus maintain its classic status in the long run. I guess that'll always be a winnerless yes&no debate - unless anyone has a timemachine, that is... Cheers, Marco

Sorry guys, but trust me: there is life without Eli's Ladder Cheers, Marco

Hi guys, I'm selling my Eli's Ladder to get one! Please contact me if you're seriously interested in this game and want to make me an offer. I will give more details and a picture of the cart by email upon request. Cheers, Marco

Okay, different approach now: selling all games in one lot If you're interested in a lot of cool boxed Atari 2600 pirates, check out this auction. Cheers, Marco

Heh, I just found this article about a place in India called Atari. Normally, that would sound like a great place to live, but under the circumstances... rather not Cheers, Marco

If you were referring to one of my posts, I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I have stated that the NES - at this moment - is rightfully considered a classic, because of the impact it had. I do believe that you exaggerate the revitalization by the NES a bit though. Maybe it's true for the US, and for console gaming, but I don't think it holds for my country and gaming in general. Here, the Crash was not as grand at is apparently was in the US. The 'classic' consoles had a longer life span and gaming in general lived on strongly on several home computers (that were used 95% for gaming), like the C64, through the 80s. Did we need the NES to revive videogaming or the videogame industry, as you put it? We wouldn't have had Playstation or XBox without the NES? Possibly, perhaps even likely. Will it be remembered for that? For sure, for now. And in the long run? Who knows. Perhaps people will only remember the one American firm that built it up and brought it down again, but that had made something so strong, so typical for the 1980s that the Crash will only look like a small glitch? Cheers, Marco

Ah, sorry, there was no evil intent in that. You are absolutely right! But, in my view it's already fading (or whatever you want to call it: to be classic appears to be the best thing there is, otherwise all those NES collectors wouldn't be so upset here) from classic to justold. In another decade or so, most people will have forgotten about the Channel F. Not something would happen to a real classic, as far as I'm concerned. I think we may have used the termed classic as a synonym for old by calling all systems from the 70s and 80s classic systems. Now our vocabulary fails to distinguish between the real and not-so-real classics. Overhere we have oldtimers and classics. Cars officially turn into oldtimers after 25 years (and get tax benefits, special plates etc). Some of those oldtimers are considered classics by collectors. Again, age is needed (most of the times) to become classic, but age alone is not enough. Same here, same here :wink: Cheers, Marco

I'm not sure, as I don't remember that specific auction, but it looks like a nice Sears Superman to me Cheers, Marco

Hi Günther, Well, at least they replied. Most of the old companies don't even bother. Too bad most of them don't have old records / lists of what they used to sell... Our own list is at 65 now, sounds like a nice figure for a complete list, I think Cheers, Marco

So, every car older than 25 years is a classic? I don't follow that. In my book, they're all old cars, maybe even antique, but only a couple are true classics. I think popularity, or IMPACT has a great deal to do with the classic status. In this timeframe, both the 2600 and NES, should be considered classics because of what they achieved, not because of their age. In the long, long run it remains to be seen if both will have the same, lasting impact, thus deciding upon their classic status being eternal or not. Cheers, Marco

If I flatten the box and put it in a padded envelop, it shouldn't be more than $1 to ship. Cheers, Marco

You call them whatever you like, anyone call them whatever they like - perhaps the "Silly Marco Category" is an idea? :wink: I'm just using the name Quelle (like the DPG) here and now to distinguish this type of game. I think these games form a certain category, deserving to be distinguished from whatever other games Quelle was selling, like the Double-Game Packages you mention (that actually have little in common - in appearance - with the Quelle games we were discussing here). You are 100% right, Quelle sold many more games, but just lumping them all into one category seems of little help in establishing which games are out there. Let's just try to complete this list and then work on others in due time. Now, let's not be interfered by fish's distractions any longer and try to complete the Quelle list Cheers, Marco

When I saw these titles I knew I had to have these too, and indeed, they're in my basement. Just not listed in my havelist, for some reason. I cannot confirm Galactic though, so like King Arthur we should leave that one out for now. Without those we're up to 65 titles now: Alices Abenteur 732.273.8 Angriff der Luftflotten 495.4632 Aufruhr im Zoo 719.694.2 Bermuda 322.913.5 Billiard 626.6100 Bobby geht nach Hause 476.7745 Der flinke Architekt 343.3737 Der Geheimkurier Der Hungrige Panda 731.662.3 Der Kleine Bär Der Vielfraß 176.5437 Die Ente und der Wolf 688.3839 Der moderne Ritter 700.2231 Die Hungrigen Frösche 043.151.0 Die Ratte und die Karotten 687.4630 Die Springteufel 176.6542 Die Unterwasser Bestien 463.7344 Dschungel Boy 262.8949 Eddy Langfinger, der Museumsdieb 732.0526 Eishockey-Fieber 873.790.0 Fuchs und SchweinchenSchlau 806.1749 Gefährlichte Mäusejagd 719.551.4 Gefecht im All 147.443.6 Hili Ball 689.3028 Im Reich der Spinne 322.773.3 Im Schutz der Drachen 719.252.9 Invasion aus der Galaxis 495.563.9 Invasion der UFO's 731.322.1 Jagd auf Diamanten-Frisco 875.413.7 Kampf dem Steinfresser 463.574.4 Kampf im Asteroiden-Gürtel 719.302.2 Kampf um die Schatzinsel 719.163.8 Katastrophein-Einsatz 876.0134 Labyrinth 805.7846 Landung in der Normandie 876.482.1 Landungskomando 176.4331 Marineflieger 176.764.9 Mein Weg 686.5612 Mission 3000 633.7232 Motocross 719.3832 Pac-Kong 219.2920 Phantom-Panzer 475.6136 Phantompanzer II 343.273.9 Raumbasen-Attacke 732.0740 Raumpatrouille 731.064.2 Robin Hood 684.7339 Schießbude 701.1349 Schussel, der Polizistenschreck 731.273.9 Spiderman 495.663.7 Schnapp die Apfeldiebe 429.6638 Stopp die Gangster 377.9436 Strahlen der Teufelsvögel 463.8607 Super-Cowboy beim Rodeo 874.2546 Super-Ferrari 402.2729 Teller Jonglieren 685.996.1 Tom´s Eierjagd 731.5039 Top Gun 626.5029 Ufi und sein Gefährlicher Einsatz 732.174.8 Ungeheuer der Tiefe Vogel Flieh 465.3028 Vom Himmel durch die Hölle Wachroboter jagt Jupy 715.8535 Weltraumtunnel 292.6517 Winterjagd 343.073.3 Wüstenschlacht 262.7941 There's two more, with dlightly different box and serial number: Feuerwehr im Einsatz 657644 Kampf in der Galaxie 657644 And then there's the unconfirmed King Arthur and Galactic. Anyone else can add to this list? Cheers, Marco

Ah cool! Anyone have boxes for these? Feuerwehr im Einsatz King Arthur Cheers, Marco

Oops! You better hide that from MattyXB, or he'll outbid you! Cheers, Marco