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  1. Posted

    [*]:wink: postmodernistic "anything goes" approaches take out the fun of discussions. Of course it's not important whether something is classic or not. But rambling on about it on a message board sure is!

    [*]:idea: people that grew up in the Atari era also lived the Nintendo era. They know about the achievements of both Atari and Nintendo. You could say the first are better informed.

    [*] :!: Not every console from the 70s-80s era should be considered a classic. Age alone is not enough to qualify for that status.

    [*] :arrow: Based upon the evidence presented here, both Atari 2600 and NES are rightfully considered classics today.

    [*] 8) I contend that the 2600 is the real King of Consoles than the NES, and it will be recognized as such in 50 years. However, future generations may look upon that quite differently, citing the Playstation as the biggest achievement of the console era...

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  2. Posted

    Thanks for the info. I hope I can get one of those in Brazil. Then, I´ll tell you if it does reflect the market in here or not.

     

    Please do so, I'm very interested to know as I wrote that part of the Digital Press Guide :wink:

     

    We have lowered the rarity and values of Brazilian 2600 games in this edition of the Guide significantly. As more and more Brazilians find their way to eBay it appears that these games are not as rare as we expected. San-D, also a member of this board, went to Brazil himself and found out that you can still find tons of Atari 2600 games. Only problem is to find them in a nice condition, or boxed.

     

    Of course, there are rare games for sure, like the Splicevision carts and supercharger tapes, but most of the bigger brands like Polyvox, CCE, Dactar, Dynacom, Genus, Digivision, Shockvision, Applevision, JF, Imagic, Robby, Zirok, Gran Match, Fotomania, etc etc appear to be quite common.

     

    Or am I completely wrong?

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  3. Posted

    Great stuff, fish, but you already know how jealous I am. :lust:

     

    Interestingly, I have games with the MOMO, JOJO, Galaxy and 'joystick/glove' labels also. And they were found in... Germany! Looks like you don't have to go all the way to Bangkok to find these babies :D

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  4. Posted

    I was wondering if anyone would like to develop the rarety guide for brazilian consoles/cartridges clones. I think it would be great if we could have that information here, since we have many cartridges listed, but with no information regarding their rarety.

     

    A rarity guide with Brazilian games exists. It's the Digital Press Guide, ready to be released in a little over a week from today. If you get the chance, be sure to get yourself a copy! :idea:

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  5. Posted

    I was wondering if anyone would like to make a Rarity Guide to those cartridges.

     

    It exists, the Digital Press Guide, ready to be released in a little over a week from today. If you get the chance, be sure to get yourself a copy! :)

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  6. Posted

    Hi Thomas,

     

    Below's the review I wrote about the game after I had discovered it in the big lot of Eproms I had acquired. Man, that was a cool find: almost every single Videopac proto known to exist today was in there. If only I'd find something similar for the 2600 :)

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

     

     

     

    "Jake"

    The game starts with the regular Videopac Select Game screen. After pressing a number on the keyboard an opening screen appears. This screen shows the GST-Video logo and the name Jake. Although I don't know why this game would be called Jake, I will refer to this game as such, simply because I have no other title to go with.

     

    The game starts if you press the firebutton or move the joystick in any direction. If the joystick remains untouched the game switches into a demonstration mode. The game is one player only and has one game variation. It plays on both the G7000 and G7400 Videopac consoles.

     

    The gamescreen consists of a big yellow core that features two figures: your spaceship and an alien. The alien, while moving around the four corners of the core, throws (magnetic) balls at your ship, which cause it to move towards the sides of the core. If your ship hits one of the walls, it is destroyed.

     

    You can move your ship up/down, and right/left to steer it away from the walls. The navigation of the spaceship is hindered by the absence of gravity, which gives it a very realistic touch. If you pull the joystick in a diagonal direction and press the fire button, you can fire shots at the balls and the alien. You score points by destroying the balls and the alien (which takes five hits).

     

    A nice feature of this game is that it has an original end screen. On this screen a globe is shown. The globe changes colours, while a yellow ring is circling around it. The ring drops something on the earth, probably the devious alien.

     

    I was really impressed by this game. It has some real nice features, like the demo mode and the end screen. The game looks very good and would have been a firm success if it were released. My rating: 5 out of 5 points for both graphics and gameplay.

  7. Posted

    Besonders gut gefällt mir Robot City (ein Odyssey 2 Prototype).

     

    Hey Thomas,

     

    That's a nice game indeed, but you should look at "Jake" or whatever it's called these days as well (I believe someone found the real title, something like Alien Invader). It's a very nicely done game, with a nice gravity feature. It's also a proto, but the ROM is floating around freely :)

     

    From the early library Stone Sling, Monkey Shines and Munchkin come to mind.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  9. Posted

    galactic ???.???.?

    this one also seems to be a quelle title, having the tipical grey quelle label and a SS case

    Mission 3000 633.7232  

    does this one really have the tipical quelle label or is it a black label?

    marspatrouille  ???-???-?

    another one missing in the list, but i only have it loose (100% quelle title too)

     

    No box, no glory! We need proof, fishy! :)

     

    I think that Marspatrouille comes from the same batch as Feuerwehr im Einsatz and Kampf in der Galaxie. Hm, should we in- or exclude those...??

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  10. Posted

    in computer eveolution a classic is any device or program made a month ago and or a couple of years ago.

     

    :)  basicly, if it is new today it is outdated tomorrow and there for a classic in the time line of computers since time in this realm moves at a more accelerated pace. :)

     

    Okay then, one more try:

     

    You say, for example, Dr.Dos 6.0 or whatever other program that never made a real difference, is a classic just because it's old? Age alone doesn't make something (a) classic. At least, not by the defenition given above.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  11. Posted

    So read over the defintion and you will find this entry: "Having lasting significance or worth; enduring."  

    Well, I'd say that right there sums up the NES and it's popularity...  That's just my 2 cents... BTW, MY VOTE:  NES IS DEFINATELY A CLASSIC!!!"M"

     

    I think most of us will agree to that definition, and most posters here agree that the NES should be considered a classic today. But, it still doesn't tell us if the NES - or any other console for that matter - will keep its enduring impact and thus maintain its classic status in the long run. I guess that'll always be a winnerless yes&no debate - unless anyone has a timemachine, that is... :) :ponder:

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  16. Posted

    The NES revitalized the gaming industry.  Not sure how you can dismiss that.

     

    If you were referring to one of my posts, I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I have stated that the NES - at this moment - is rightfully considered a classic, because of the impact it had.

     

    I do believe that you exaggerate the revitalization by the NES a bit though. Maybe it's true for the US, and for console gaming, but I don't think it holds for my country and gaming in general.

     

    Here, the Crash was not as grand at is apparently was in the US. The 'classic' consoles had a longer life span and gaming in general lived on strongly on several home computers (that were used 95% for gaming), like the C64, through the 80s.

     

    Did we need the NES to revive videogaming or the videogame industry, as you put it? We wouldn't have had Playstation or XBox without the NES? Possibly, perhaps even likely. Will it be remembered for that? For sure, for now. And in the long run? Who knows. Perhaps people will only remember the one American firm that built it up and brought it down again, but that had made something so strong, so typical for the 1980s that the Crash will only look like a small glitch?

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  17. Posted

    I'm not talking specifics, I'm generalizing, "they are from a now classic ERA of gaming." Like my example of the channel-F that you conviently left out of your quote of my post.

     

    Ah, sorry, there was no evil intent in that.

     

    take the vintage 'Channel F' system from the seventies for example, it was a horrible piece of junk with very little good software for it and also a miserable failure; but collectors consider it a "classic" or "vintage" system.

     

    You are absolutely right! But, in my view it's already fading (or whatever you want to call it: to be classic appears to be the best thing there is, otherwise all those NES collectors wouldn't be so upset here) from classic to justold. In another decade or so, most people will have forgotten about the Channel F. Not something would happen to a real classic, as far as I'm concerned.

     

    I think we may have used the termed classic as a synonym for old by calling all systems from the 70s and 80s classic systems. Now our vocabulary fails to distinguish between the real and not-so-real classics.

     

    As far as cars go, I don't make the rules and I'm not sure who does, but that's the way it is...you CAN NOT get classic plates for a car until it is 25+ years old, here in the states, and ANY car 25+ years old you can get classic plates for if you want AND people take all sorts of models to "classic" car shows and show them of in mint condition, even crap like the AMC Gremlin or Pacer or Pinto, and they are all butt ugly, cheaply made and accidents waiting to happen. That's just the way it is.

     

    Overhere we have oldtimers and classics. Cars officially turn into oldtimers after 25 years (and get tax benefits, special plates etc). Some of those oldtimers are considered classics by collectors. Again, age is needed (most of the times) to become classic, but age alone is not enough.

     

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the old saying goes...I feel this way about consoles. I don't like the NES at all, never did, yet I'll conceed it's a classic.

     

    Same here, same here :wink:

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  19. Posted

    Hi Günther,

     

    Well, at least they replied. Most of the old companies don't even bother. Too bad most of them don't have old records / lists of what they used to sell...

     

    Our own list is at 65 now, sounds like a nice figure for a complete list, I think :D

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  20. Posted

    ...and that "classic" status should have nothing to do with it's "popularity" with the general public, just like cars are automatically labeled "classics" after 25 years regardless of how good they actually were or by their popularity.

     

    So, every car older than 25 years is a classic? I don't follow that. In my book, they're all old cars, maybe even antique, but only a couple are true classics. I think popularity, or IMPACT has a great deal to do with the classic status. In this timeframe, both the 2600 and NES, should be considered classics because of what they achieved, not because of their age. In the long, long run it remains to be seen if both will have the same, lasting impact, thus deciding upon their classic status being eternal or not. :)

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  22. Posted

    well, marco ... i have a problem with using the definition "quelle" for this list, since some of the other games were also sold by quelle, like the 2-in-one packs .... and since the boxes are more or less the same looking at the basic design with stripes, i don't doubt that quelle has given the order for those games, whether it was the "list-serie" or others ...

     

    You call them whatever you like, anyone call them whatever they like - perhaps the "Silly Marco Category" is an idea? :wink:

     

    I'm just using the name Quelle (like the DPG) here and now to distinguish this type of game. I think these games form a certain category, deserving to be distinguished from whatever other games Quelle was selling, like the Double-Game Packages you mention (that actually have little in common - in appearance - with the Quelle games we were discussing here).

     

    You are 100% right, Quelle sold many more games, but just lumping them all into one category seems of little help in establishing which games are out there. Let's just try to complete this list and then work on others in due time.

     

    Now, let's not be interfered by fish's distractions any longer and try to complete the Quelle list :D

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

  23. Posted

    When I saw these titles I knew I had to have these too, and indeed, they're in my basement. Just not listed in my havelist, for some reason. I cannot confirm Galactic though, so like King Arthur we should leave that one out for now. Without those we're up to 65 titles now:

     

    Alices Abenteur 732.273.8

    Angriff der Luftflotten 495.4632

    Aufruhr im Zoo 719.694.2

    Bermuda 322.913.5

    Billiard 626.6100

    Bobby geht nach Hause 476.7745

    Der flinke Architekt 343.3737

    Der Geheimkurier

    Der Hungrige Panda 731.662.3

    Der Kleine Bär

    Der Vielfraß 176.5437

    Die Ente und der Wolf 688.3839

    Der moderne Ritter 700.2231

    Die Hungrigen Frösche 043.151.0

    Die Ratte und die Karotten 687.4630

    Die Springteufel 176.6542

    Die Unterwasser Bestien 463.7344

    Dschungel Boy 262.8949

    Eddy Langfinger, der Museumsdieb 732.0526

    Eishockey-Fieber 873.790.0

    Fuchs und SchweinchenSchlau 806.1749

    Gefährlichte Mäusejagd 719.551.4

    Gefecht im All 147.443.6

    Hili Ball 689.3028

    Im Reich der Spinne 322.773.3

    Im Schutz der Drachen 719.252.9

    Invasion aus der Galaxis 495.563.9

    Invasion der UFO's 731.322.1

    Jagd auf Diamanten-Frisco 875.413.7

    Kampf dem Steinfresser 463.574.4

    Kampf im Asteroiden-Gürtel 719.302.2

    Kampf um die Schatzinsel 719.163.8

    Katastrophein-Einsatz 876.0134

    Labyrinth 805.7846

    Landung in der Normandie 876.482.1

    Landungskomando 176.4331

    Marineflieger 176.764.9

    Mein Weg 686.5612

    Mission 3000 633.7232

    Motocross 719.3832

    Pac-Kong 219.2920

    Phantom-Panzer 475.6136

    Phantompanzer II 343.273.9

    Raumbasen-Attacke 732.0740

    Raumpatrouille 731.064.2

    Robin Hood 684.7339

    Schießbude 701.1349

    Schussel, der Polizistenschreck 731.273.9

    Spiderman 495.663.7

    Schnapp die Apfeldiebe 429.6638

    Stopp die Gangster 377.9436

    Strahlen der Teufelsvögel 463.8607

    Super-Cowboy beim Rodeo 874.2546

    Super-Ferrari 402.2729

    Teller Jonglieren 685.996.1

    Tom´s Eierjagd 731.5039

    Top Gun 626.5029

    Ufi und sein Gefährlicher Einsatz 732.174.8

    Ungeheuer der Tiefe

    Vogel Flieh 465.3028

    Vom Himmel durch die Hölle

    Wachroboter jagt Jupy 715.8535

    Weltraumtunnel 292.6517

    Winterjagd 343.073.3

    Wüstenschlacht 262.7941

     

    There's two more, with dlightly different box and serial number:

     

    Feuerwehr im Einsatz 657644

    Kampf in der Galaxie 657644

     

    And then there's the unconfirmed King Arthur and Galactic.

     

    Anyone else can add to this list?

     

    Cheers,

     

    Marco

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