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  1. I'd largely forgotten about the VCS until the Soulja Boy story popped.  As someone who never thought this thing would see the light of day, here's my take:

     

    The people who bought it seem to be happy with it.  Maybe they are fanboys who are blinded by brand loyalty, but does it matter?  They are happy with their purchase. 

     

    In terms of the system being dead, I'm not sure it ever had a chance to live.  I don't think it was ever going to sell much beyond the pre-orders.  I mean, the game library is pretty underwhelming, especially for the price.  THAT BEING SAID...

     

    This might be blasphemy to some on this site, but if I had to choose between the VCS and the Amico, I'd take the VCS in a heartbeat.  The Amico games shown so far are even more unappealing to me, and the VCS can be used as a fairly competent emulation device, if I needed another one of those.  I never thought I'd say positive things about this system, but here we are.

     

    Strange times for the games industry. 

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  2. 7 hours ago, leech said:

    I got some new games for it.  Unsung warriors seems pretty sweet actually.  Guntech is interesting. 

    But hey, I buy ridiculous and stupid shit all the time.  Like I now own multiple 800XLs because they have different keyboard types...

    By all accounts, the system is a pretty competent emulation device, apparently running PS and maybe even Game Cube games.  There are plenty of other devices on the market that can do this, but for the money, it doesn't sound terrible.

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  3. On 5/5/2021 at 12:17 PM, godslabrat said:

    Well, at this point, they're making a major accomplishment by just proving they have the right to do business in the state of California.  So... yeah, they're setting the bar damn low.

    It's a shame, because even without FPGA this could have been a good product.   But the price and incompetence are just too much. I find it hilarious they're talking about a digital store for this thing.


  4. On 2/6/2021 at 12:21 PM, godslabrat said:

    I'm sure they're still getting some orders, but I strongly suspect that new orders are now outpaced by refund requests.

     

    Polymega is *out* of time.  

    Yeah.  By the time the Polymega has a general release it should be easy enough to walk into a store and buy an Xbox Series X, take it home and slap in Retroarch.   

     

    I like the Polymega, but like you said, they're out of time.   The price is also a real problem if you want to play carts.


  5. 16 hours ago, godslabrat said:

    Well, to be fair... the Polymega is aiming to play games people actually care about.  I think that's why P&I gave it a pass for so long.

    Supposedly the processor in the unit reaches its EOL this summer.  That's a real problem if true.

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    So if you don't care, why bother staying active in the thread?  Why check all those sites?   When I don't care about something, I simply skip the threads because who has time to read all that?   If you're convinced it's going to flop, why not let it flop on its own without trying to convince people not to buy it?

    Speaking for myself, I comment and follow the saga because I'm interested in the mess, and erratic behavior of certain backers.

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  7. 20 minutes ago, Atarick said:

    True. And it overheats, the controls lag, there are glitches all over, and the software is laughably incompatible with 3rd party titles. Also, Nintendo has essentially given up on support for it. They are as guilty of what Atari SA are (marketing a flawed device on brand name recognition), the only difference is they had a broader and more mainstream target audience. 

    Uh...software is incompatible with 3rd party titles?  What does this even mean?  About the only bad thing I can say about the Switch is the stick drift.  Considering I have to buy a new Xbox One controller every 6 - 8 months for the same reason, this doesn't seem to be a Nintendo specific issue.

     

    I get that you like the VCS. Fine, but trying to justify its..."feature gaps" by making the Switch look bad is a terrible strategy. 

     

    And while I'm posting, claiming that people make posts bashing the VCS proves there isn't a lack of interest in the system is disingenuous.  The drama and mental gymnastics supporters engaged in was very interesting.  The actual product, not so much.  Now that it's out, it begins its slow march toward obscurity.  People who have it may enjoy it, and will continue to enjoy it.  That's cool.  But as far as hype goes, it peaked when it actually shipped.  That's the reality.

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  8. On 1/3/2021 at 2:15 PM, godslabrat said:

    Last I heard, you could either order from Polymega themselves, or another online retailer, but no one has committed to stocking it in B&M stores.

     

    Even giving this project an unhealthy dose of optimism, I think you'll see covid shipping issues go away long before Polymega is available at your local McGameShop.

    That's too bad, because I could see this being an impulse buy for some people, especially if they knocked 100 bucks off.  I've got a fair amount of Saturn and PS1 games that I'd play if I didn't have to dig the systems out.  But the communication has been terrible about this thing.  This system seemed amazing to me when I first heard about it.   Since then, other products have come out that made this not the Holy Grail it used to be. 


  9. 43 minutes ago, Chopsus said:

    I don’t think Playing Roms can actually be done yet?  Has anyone got Retroarch or similar running on it? FArtari’s love of litigation in protecting (what they claim is) their I.P. would tend toward prohibiting this?

     

    All in all making Raspberry Pie a better option still. 

    Well, isn't the Atari Vault just a collection of roms?  In any event, you should be able to run Retroarch or any emulator through Sandbox mode. 

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  10. 41 minutes ago, Stephen said:

    I'll admit I am surprised they actually managed to release something.  I will also say, that while the product is not for me, and I have bashed it worse than any dead horse, I am glad that it seems to be making the people who backed it happy.  I won't deny anybody their fun - after all, video games are just that - games.

     

    That being said, I'll not be able to stop talking smack about this turd :)

    Yeah, I didn't think it would ever be released either.  I don't think it's anything special, and I can't see it being a commercial success, but most of the new owners seem happy with it.  Of course, if I waited so long for something that people said would never come, I would certainly appear happy as well.

     

    Are the backers going through a honeymoon phase that won't last?  Considering how little you can actually do with the system, and playing roms of 40 year old games isn't exactly new or exciting, I suspect so.  But for now they're happy, so good.

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  11. 3 hours ago, youxia said:

    The whole talk about the "brand" is fairly depressing. What brand? We all know what "Atari" is these days, and it's not only an unpleasant association, but also an empty husk - a stamp on some documents given in exchange for a financial gratification, completely without substance or continuity. Real Atari has been dead for decades and it's quite sad that this kind of  zombie "branding" can be used to flog all kinds of stuff.

     

    The collecting angle also stinks. Sure, people will buy it just for that reason and most likely sell with a little bit of profit years later, but, again, it just seems so...desperate. Manufactured pre-collecting of phantom brands, like something out of Dick's novel.

     

    We go through the same thing every couple of years when people petition Sega to make a Dreamcast 2.  Even if Sega somehow did make a new console, they're not the same company they were 20 years ago, so why bother? Nostalgia is a powerful thing, but it's not always grounded in reality. 

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  12. 1 hour ago, MrBeefy said:

    I don't think that some get this. Why should I buy a VCS over a cheaper form factor PC/laptop that is cheaper and more powerful? If the answer is Atari, logo, nice case, that is not a compelling arguement.

     

    I have no problem with some French company owning the title Atari. I do think it has been pretty sad how they've handled things. This isn't the great comeback story that some would like you to think it was. 

    Nostalgia is a powerful thing.  Look at the mini consoles.   Just about everyone knows you can emulate those games for free on a PC.  But that didn't stop people from losing their minds when the NES Classic was released.   I would argue that for some people, it's not about the games, it's about taking a step back in time.

     

    I imagine it's something similar for the VCS fans.  It's an emotional thing, and you can't put a price on that.  That being said, if you don't have that attachment, this system has nothing to offer you, just like my kids make fun of my Sega Genesis Mini, calling it a "Boomer system."

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  13. 2 hours ago, godslabrat said:

    Since people apparently are receiving the VCS, I'm calling it officially shipped, and have updated my spreadsheet accordingly.

     

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    I still want to see the Polymega take off.  It's just too pricey, and their communication is so bad it makes the Atari intern seem like a highly trained professional.

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  14. 2 hours ago, MrSeven said:

    "This console is not worth the price point they're asking for it, if you're looking to relive the classics in a 'simple package'." is the complete quote.

     

    And "simple classics" is not the only reason people purchased it.

    If you've got a halfway decent PC, what other reason would there be?  

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  15. 1 hour ago, x=usr(1536) said:

     

    Incidentally, does anyone know WTF this actually means?  Fauxtari keep using the term like there's some sort of substance to it, but every time they open their trap about it it seems to be slightly different and no clearer than before.

    I guess you can use it as a wallet for digital currency to buy stuff in games.  So, it's a fancy way of saying "microtransactions." Afterall, everyone loves microtransactions, and we need more ways to spend money on content that we should have got when we purchased the game.

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  16. 4 minutes ago, Matt_B said:

    The Lynx was a cutting edge platform for its time though. No handheld even came close to what it could do until the, much bulkier, Sega Nomad came out several years later. The GameBoy was generally a better machine to have on account of its vast games library, small size and really good battery life, but the Lynx certainly held a niche.

     

    The Jaguar too was at least a vaguely competitive platform for a year or so until the PlayStation came out. You can look back at games like Tempest 2000 and Rayman as classics for their time even if the machine was always doomed to be a commercial failure.

     

    The VCS just looks over a generation behind machines that it's selling at more or less the same price as. $389 for it versus $299 for a Series S or $399 for a PS5 Digital - not that any of them are in stock at the moment - is just no contest.

    This sums it up right here.  Say what you will about the Jaguar, but if you got one, there was some good gaming to be had on it.  Ditto the Lynx.  Compare the Lynx to the Game Boy, and each system had its strengths and weaknesses.   On the flip side, you really have to stretch the truth to come up with any strengths for the VCS.  You've got brand loyalty, and a kinda cool retro joystick, that will probably be available for any USB compatible device at some point.  That's it.

     

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  17. 1 hour ago, AlecRob said:

    There are plenty of smartphones on the market that dont do anything different from other smartphones on the market... VCS at least has a different look & feel compared to other similar PC’s on the market

     

     

    i’m not saying its an outstanding product, but compared to the relatively monotonous and boring compact/home/thin PC market, the VCS doesn’t look that bad.  For example, i’d rather have the VCS than comparable products from dell, HP, intel, etc.  PC’s are pretty boring in general.  So why not have one with an Atari logo on it.  This isn’t for high end power users...   it’s just a somewhat fashionable PC.
     

       If crappy overpriced SLOW shitty Hewlett Packard PC’s can still sell decently then I don’t see why the VCS couldn’t either.  Is it the most efficient purchase you can make? No.  But IMO, some people will still buy it just for dat logo

    I think it's safe to say everyone who would be lured in by Mount Fuji has already backed this thing.   Remember, its been 27 or so years since Atari released anything of relevance in terms of consoles. They didn't exactly end on a stellar note like Sega did with Dreamcast. 

     

    I think comparing the VCS to a budget PC is a terrible idea.  A budget PC let's you do things like surf the net, create documents, and run other programs.  While all of that may be possible with the VCS, why? You'd have to spend extra money on a keyboard and mouse, as well as extra storage. I'm not seeing the savings here.   Most of the games Atari is touting for the VCS can be purchased on Steam or Google Play, so that's not a selling point.   Also, budget PC's are actually available NOW.  No need to go to Walmart's website or Gamestop. 

     

    Aside from the sheer obnoxiousness of certain VCS supporters, and Atari's shady business practices, that's the biggest problem for this system.  It's a solution in search of a problem. 

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  18. 54 minutes ago, 6502wrangler said:

     

    You don't even have to be a pessimist to come to this conclusion. They are holding up all shipments to wait for all the Joysticks to come in, but not everyone who preordered chose to order a Joystick, so they could have shipped those by now.

     

    My guess is they are having problems with the software and online store, and are stalling to try to apply some bandaids. It's possible they have refused to pay (or can't pay) whoever is actually implementing it and they don't have the keys to the kingdom quite yet... but this is just speculation.

    Well, I was trying to be nice.  The online store is quite the paradox.  If the VCS is just a PC like its supporters claim, why would anyone waste time making a VCS specific version of a game when a potential buyer could just get it from the Steam store?

     

    I'm really trying to be nice, since I know people are getting excited about this thing, and there's really not much to be excited about lately.   But good grief, it's like Atari didn't think through a lot of their design decisions, and the final product is just a Frankenstein monster with bits and pieces of ideas that don't really fit together. All IMO, of course. 

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  19. 8 hours ago, jamm said:

    I appreciate the many months of prep work being put into this initial shipment. A lot of companies just receive stuff to ship and ship it out practically right away, not dedicating the considerable time and resources such shipments deserve.  But that's not Atari.  It just means things will go absolutely smoothly once things actually start going out the door. 

    The pessimist would say they're just stalling.   Anyway, I hope it does ship soon for the sake of the backers.  I'm curious how many will think it was worth the wait, especially compared to what else is out there.  Sometimes we wait 3 years for the Holy Grail only to find out it was just a sippee cup.  Only time will tell, but I wonder how many people would have given this system the time of day if it didn't have the Atari name attached. 

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  20. 11 minutes ago, AlecRob said:

    It wouldnt be emulation, because the VCS is a PC

    So why wouldn't someone just buy a PC instead?  Also, why is Atari saying companies are developing games to run on their system, if the system is just a PC?  Wouldn't said games also be able to run on a PC?

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