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LOL. I saw that comment on the supporters page. The idea that we'll buy this thing because retro collectors have to have everything because we don't want to be left out is absurd. Apparently they think we'll be so curious we need to buy one of these systems in order to keep bashing it. One of the mods says a backer who criticized Atari should get a refund, because he doesn't deserve to own one of these systems. What world are these guys living in? I'm sure a lot of backers are feeling like they don't "deserve" to own a Taco Box, and should be forced to get a refund.

Some of us look down on both products. The difference is that TT is producing a product no one asked for. Atari is claiming to be producing a product no one asked for, and has been deceptive the entire time. They're both DOA, but one is clearly worse than the other.

Lots of softball questions, and Artz didn't really say anything new. Looked like an infomercial as opposed to an interview.

I'm not sure Atari wants people to see their box-o-crap. If the loading times are terrible, or other modern games run as bad as COD Warzone, that's a problem. Can't let the cat out of the bag while they're still begging for pre-orders.

You might not be far off. It's similar to what you see with Sega fans every few years when someone trots out a petition for Dreamcast 2. Look, I love Sega, but they're a shell of what they used to be. Sega can barely function as a third party, how could they support a new console? Those days are gone. Even if this were the same people who released the Jaguar, they'd be in trouble. At least the Jaguar had some big attractions that were impressive at the time - Doom, AvP, Raiden, NBA Jam, etc. Everyone knew what Doom was, and this was a reason to consider getting a Jaguar. There's nothing like that on the VCS. Mobile games and a bad GTA clone. Anyway, nostalgia is a powerful drug. Maybe certain VCS supporters long for a time the world was simpler, and deep in their subconscious they believe a new Atari system would transport them back to that time. I've said all along that there's a lot of people on the IGG page and Supporters FB page that have obvious pronounced mental health challenges- just an absolute disconnect from reality. Maybe we're starting to narrow things down.

I called Marines "high strung" once, and I got read the riot act by a leatherneck. Maybe "highly motivated and enthusiastic" would have been a better way to put it

Yeah, he was a bit high strung. Not sure if it was ban hammer worthy, especially since he provided some discussion as opposed to taco talk. But, I respect the house rules. His problem is that he seems to have the same mentality as a lot of the more toxic supporters. Regardless of whether someone enjoys the final product or not, there are two things that are undeniable: 1. Atari's behavior has had an aura of impropriety the entire time. Maybe they aren't actually crooks, but are just really incompetent. Take your pick, but there's no reason to believe a thing they say. 2. This system will be deader than a doorknob upon release. Yeah, you'll get some mainstream press articles talking about "The Return of The King" or other such talk. Articles by Time or Newsweek that have no research done and will be put out for clicks. But after that, people will forget about it quicker than Shen Mue 3. The only thing that looks mildly interesting to me is Antstream. Most people have other ways to play these games, but if the service was released on Xbox and the price was right, I'd give it a shot. Everything else looks like shovelware. If someone buys the system and is happy with it, that's great. But without a killer app, this won't sell nearly enough to be considered anything more than a continuation of Atari failures.

Castlevania was the game that did it for me and my brother. Man, what an epic game at the time, but alas, Konami has also fallen. Maybe when Atari opens their casinos, we can use Atari tokens to play Castlevania pachinko machines? I can only dream.

I think those are the casual players Atari would like to reel in. If they're relying on brand nostalgia, they're going to be competing with themselves.

Whatever happened to Flo anyway?

My first was the 5200. I knew lots of kids with the 2600. No one I can remember had the 7800. In my little corner of the world, the Lynx and Jaguar were complete non-entities. We played Atari games at the arcade, and some home ports, but never had any reason to consider those two systems. But yeah, Atari WAS an absolute juggernaut in the early 80's. I'd say Atari was synonymous with video games, just like Nintendo was from 85 - 91. I guess we'll have to see whether nostalgia for the brand is really that strong.

Yeah, I fit into that age bracket. There's a reason video game history progressed the way it did. If the people who loved those games didn't keep playing them over time, it's pretty unlikely they're going to get sucked back in now. I play some of the oldies every once in awhile when I'm in a wild mood, but there's a reason I never looked back when things progressed. I think the majority of gamers my age feel the same way.

Hey, don't put the blame on us for this. The nostalgia glasses get pretty blurry for anything past the NES.

I'm not going to pile on. I admire watching one person take on the mob, but you're really reaching with this. The "new audience" already found indie games on the Xbox 360 and PS3. With stuff like FNAF and Hello Neighbor, kids are already knee deep in indie games. I'm not sure what untapped market is out there.

I can't imagine the level of rage that would ensue if there's another delay.

Well, this guy seems optimistic. To each his own, I suppose.

Well, if they release a batch and send them to the usual suspects, then I'm sure that group will spread the VCS Gospel as far as they can. There are also some Youtubers who will say nice things about any product for a price. It's kinda like the review embargoes certain companies have now for AAA games. Media can't release their reviews until launch day, so as not to hurt preorders.

Or, Atari could send one of us here a copy to review. If we give it negative reviews, they could just write us off as trolls. If we say good things, then that's pretty impressive. Nothing to lose, really. Trying to limit review copies to obvious supporters is ridiculous, and won't buy them much time if the product is as bad as indicators say.

I would say "No news is good news," but that is no longer applicable. We found out if you spend some extra money, you can play COD Warzone at low detail and framerate. There will apparently be native versions of some mobile games. So if you like spending money on games you could get for free on your cellphone, that's a plus.

Yeah...THQ was like a reincarnated version of LJN. A veritable crap factory. People seemed to like their pro wrestling games on the N64, but that was it. True that. The closer this thing gets to release, the more entertaining it's going to be. I'm sure the system will be made with the highest quality components, and the warranty department will be very helpful if anyone has issues.

Looks like part 2 is a free to play mobile game from 2012. While I'm suffering through Halo Infinite this winter, lucky VCS owners will be immersed in this true classic. So jealous!

So, there's this. I'd never even heard of the Payback games until now. Google shows it's apparently some sort of GTA knockoff.

Thanks, and thanks to RacerX for the clarification.

So, the 400 model has 8 GB of ram. For those of us who aren't tech savy, how does that compare to the base XBox One and PS4 models?

Might be low effort, but it's dead on.