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  1. Posted

    On September 30, 2019 at 8:27 PM, Tidus79001 said:

    That is why I haven't been following this thread on a regular basis.  This isn't much of value to be learned in this thread and listening to people trolling and pissing & moaning is not a productive use of my time.

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    I can poke fun at Atari SA, but too many jokes have been made about their supporters. Anyone can be fooled, even you or me. And no one has any reason to believe a person they've never heard of, especially on the Internet.

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  4. Posted · Edited by pacman000

    You must walk before you can run, & you must crawl before you can walk. Something tells me starting with structured or object-oriented programming is asking too much. So here's links to free BASIC & Logo variants.

     

    https://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/basic.shtml

    https://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/logo.shtml

     

    And if you want to be mean:

     

    https://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/cobol.shtml

    ;)

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  6. Posted · Edited by pacman000

    Does this thread count as trolling? I thought you had to send posts to the folks you're trying to annoy.

     

    I am afraid this whole debacle could create a rift between casual Atari fans & hardcore Atari fans, which could hurt this community's growth. But that doesn't make this thread trolling; it's only trolling if the main objective is to get a response which we can make fun of. 

  7. Posted

    On August 26, 2019 at 11:52 PM, Newsdee said:

    Some of the early successes were not because of technical availability, but because somebody figured out how to save costs on producing the game machines. That in turn enabled decent margins for a business to run with.

     

    I forgot the exact name, but there was a prototype of Space Wars prepared for arcade / coin-op, but it ended up not being used after Bushnell and co. came up with Computer Space which was much cheaper to produce by an order of magnitude.

     

    Its possible for an idea to live as prototype or on paper for a very long time. A very extreme example would be Babbage's Difference Engine...

    Galaxy Game?

  8. Posted

    7 hours ago, Shaggy the Atarian said:

    "We're excited to inform you that in an effort to better connect with our fans, that ATARI is back! What this means will come to light over the next several months, but we can only fulfill everything that our fans and partners want with a new crowdfunding campaign. Never having used crowdfunding before, we're excited to start this new chapter in company history. By contributing to this new IndieGoGo campaign, you'll receive a thank you letter from Atari (expected delivery date: Dec: 2025) and the knowledge that you contributed to gaming history! Higher end backers will receive a letter that uses an 8-bit font instead of Comic Sans. All letters will come with an authentic Atari "Fuji" logo, the most iconic brand logo ever created!"

     

    Please note that for any inquiries about a game device called the Atari VCS that you refer to the Wikipedia page about the Atari 2600. We know of no other device to have purported to go by this name, but our lawyers are getting to the bottom of this as we speak!"

    I think the RCA, Polaroid, & MGM, logos are probably more iconic. And more likely to be on a new, good product.

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  9. Posted

    On 8/25/2019 at 12:15 PM, Flojomojo said:

    Just so I understand ... what did modern Atari ever do for these guys to earn such unswerving loyalty? Took their money, told them to wait, pissed on their heads and told them it was raining. Did I miss something?

    They created the illusion that they were the Atari of old.

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  10. Posted

    I'd say Taco John's trademark is fine, if they coined the phrase. As such, this passage from the article Flojo linked to is important:

     

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    This confusion is the danger—described by attorney Nikki Siesel—of trying to trademark a fairly descriptive phrase. A related problem is that someone else may already be using it. Because with Taco Tuesday, at least two other restaurants can make a credible claim to having coined the term before David Olsen and Taco John’s. 

    The first is Steve Levinson, the former owner of the Tortilla Flats restaurant in Laguna Beach, California. According to a 1997 LA Times article, Levinson first held a Taco Tuesday in the early eighties and applied for a (state) trademark in 1984. 

    Levinson is now retired, Tortilla Flats is closed, and the trademark is expired, so we could not verify the year he applied for it. But law partner William Levin represented Levinson in the late 1990s, and he says he successfully took legal action against over a dozen nearby restaurants on the basis of the state trademark. 

    And this:

     

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    In 1978, Greg Gregory went to a food court in Philadelphia to do some market research before joining the family business: Gregory’s Restaurant and Bar in Somers Point, New Jersey. “I saw a big line for some Mexican food I’d never had before,” he says. “A guy in line told me they were ‘tacos.’” 

    Gregory tried and failed to get his family to put tacos on the menu. As a compromise, they let him sell tacos on Tuesday. After his idea for a “Margarita Thriller Night” got shot down, he settled on the name Taco Tuesday. “It’s got a nice ring to it,” he says. 

    The first night, he made his own taco shells and sold six orders. The next week, “we finally found taco shells, and it took off.” His college professor came one night and advised Gregory to trademark “Taco Tuesday,” which he did, with the U.S. government, in 1982. Decades of phone calls and legal letters by his family to competing restaurants, Gregory says, have kept Taco Tuesday unique to Gregory’s Restaurant and Bar in their area. 

    So when Taco John’s applied for a federal trademark seven years later, they got it in every state… except New Jersey. 

     

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  12. Posted

    I'll say this again: If I were to make a rubric, detailing what made a good Atari game, E.T. would probably get high marks in every category. Problem is it's frustrating; a lot of subtle flaws you wouldn't think about hold it down. I've had fun with it, but it's not my favorite.

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  15. Posted

    What do you do with a drunken sailor?

     

    What do you do with a drunken sailor?

     

    What do you do with a drunken sailor, early in the morning?

     

    Sell him a box branded Atari.

     

    Sell him a box branded Atari.

     

    Sell him a box branded Atari.

     

    Or just go get Tacos!

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  17. Posted

    On 7/12/2019 at 12:38 PM, AtariWarlord said:

    This is just the kind of crap that killed the industry (temporarily). In retrospect, there needed to be a market correction to trim the bloat out of the industry. 

    Happens with every new industry. Some people see money, so they enter a market to make a quick buck. Then the market bites them. Too many quick-buck-makers, & the market bites everyone else too.

     

    That gets me thinking. I wonder if Leisure Time had a Pac-Man clone... ;)

  19. Posted

    This is different... This is more like someone bought Mcgregor's old land, & someone who hasn't been in town a long time comes back & thinks Mcgregor still owns it.

     

    There's little harm if the new owner produces the same quality produce, but if they're just talking about how great their farm is while producing nothing, then we have a problem. But only for a little while; eventually word will get out that new owners have taken over & that the farm's crops aren't any good anymore.

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  20. Posted

    For good reason. Suppose Mr. Mcgregor starts a farm. It thrives for awhile, but eventually things change, & the farm must shut down. A decade or so later, another farmer moves to town, also named Mcgregor. Should he be barred from using the name Mcgregor's Farm? No; the old farm is long gone. Even if someone remembers it, they won't associate the new farm with the old.

     

     

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  21. Posted

    32 minutes ago, Inky said:

    Which brings up something I've wondered about.  Let's say the name and marks of a certain abandoned company were to go for sale.  Someone bought them, but didn't want the marks to fall into the hands of Fre...  I mean , some "Ne'er do well." Could something be done to actually kill the brand, or will it always exist?

    I don't know; a brand is just a word, a mark. I'm sure you could put whatever trademarks  which represented the brand into the public domain, but I don't think you could just take it off the market. Continued use is necessary to keep a trademark current; stop using a mark long enough & someone else can claim it.

     

    (I'm not a lawyer; this is not legal advice. We'd need a lawyer well versed in IP law to say exactly what you could do.)

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  24. Posted

    Similar to the current incarnation of RKO: 

     

    "The company seeks out additional distribution and co-financing ventures for new productions as well as for sequels, remakes and live stage productions based upon its library of titles."

     

    http://rko.com

     

    "RKO is one of the oldest continuously operating movie studios, and occupies a unique place in the history of film making."

     

    Funny, I thought they stopped making movies in the 60's; that does give them a unique position: they were the 1st of the Big 5 to shut down.

     

    They are still better than Atari SA; they've actually helped produce a few things.

     

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